Xavier Henry comparison

ManualRam · Post #31 » by **ManualRam** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 9:34 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I don't see the Harden comparisons.

i dont see the salmons comparisons.

i also dont think as highly of hardens as far as his potential as an NBA player like most on this board so that could be part of it...
like i said, i see em both as primarily lefty deep threats with some ability to finish in the paint. neither are anything special IMO.

vincecarter4pres · Post #32 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:39 am

Henry is a spot up shooter with an NBA body and the ability to get out and finish, absorb some contact. Little ball handling and playmaking ability. Can pass a little, but that's about it.
Maybe like Dan Majerle even.

Harden is a playmaking guard with a very good handle, very good playmaking ability and high BBIQ, less then stellar athleticism but still solid, similar to a Manu Ginobli.

No comparison whatever. It's like comparing Reggie Miller and Clyde Drexler.
Or shall we make it Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell with a better jumper.

ManualRam · Post #33 » by **ManualRam** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:31 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Henry is a spot up shooter with an NBA body and the ability to get out and finish, absorb some contact. Little ball handling and playmaking ability. Can pass a little, but that's about it.
Maybe like Dan Majerle even.

Harden is a playmaking guard with a very good handle, very good playmaking ability and high BBIQ, less then stellar athleticism but still solid, similar to a Manu Ginobli.

No comparison whatever. It's like comparing Reggie Miller and Clyde Drexler.
Or shall we make it Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell with a better jumper.

that's the thing. i dont think harden's handle is all that great (his right hand's still weak). he's not beating anyone off the dribble, and when he is it's becuz of the threat of the outside jumper, utilizing picks and/or his jab steps. i think xavier will be effective at the next level in the same way. harden's a high bball iq player, but so is xavier.
also, i dont think harden will get even close to manu cuz of his lack of quickness.

it's obvious that i dont think as highly of harden as you do. i see him as more of a spot up shooter+ in the NBA.

Bubstubbler · Post #34 » by **Bubstubbler** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:43 pm

I've watched all of his games this year, and most of this talk of Henry just being a spot-up shooter (in terms of his ability, not in terms of his role) is totally nonsensical.

Do you understand that he plays for Kansas? Do you understand what that means? They're a complete and balanced team. Henry is doing exactly what his coach is wanting from him.

Henry can (and does) get to the basket and finish whenever he wants. The guy could average 30 ppg on 50% shooting if his coach wanted him to. He also shows great court awareness and above average passing ability for a sg. He also has pretty ridiculous athleticism and a flair for monster put-back dunks.

Seriously, people need to differentiate between his role and his abilities. His role on a great and stacked Kansas team is to be a spot-up shooter and spread the floor to give Aldrich and the Morris twins room to operate in the interior and to open up lanes for Collins to drive. In no way, shape, or form does that mean that Henry's abilities are limited to that of a spot-up shooter.

He'll probably be a mix between Redd and Vince Carter.

Post #35 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:14 pm

hotshotschamp wrote:He's a tough one to grasp for me....

He's got great size, nba body, amazing shot.

But I just don't see his athleticism and ability to guard tough nba 2's and create his own shot, and make players around him better.

Seems like when I watch him he's always just chilling at the 3 pt lane, waiting for a kickout. He seems kinda 1 dimensional to me. I dunno.....he could prove me wrong.

He's an athlete in the mold of Tyreke Evans. Like Evans, he doesn't need to have a 40 inch verticle to be special, because he's got tremendous size, strength, and length for a guard. He's actually stronger than Evans. He's got a different game than Evans, but the great body and body control plus their natural scoring ability and the effortless way they dominate opponents is similar. Henry has the better jump shot, and Evans has the PG skills.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #36 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:59 pm

CJ Miles. Miles might be a little bit more athletic and tad bit longer and Henry stronger in the upper body, but both are southpaws, both are mostly shooters, but can put it on the floor when needed as well. Miles goes 6'7" and Henry 6'6". Neither is going to wow you with his playmaking or passing ability.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #37 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:20 pm

could henry play the sf position?

Upperclass · Post #38 » by **Upperclass** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:28 pm

Martell Webster

SeattleJazzFan · Post #39 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:25 pm

Upperclass wrote:Martell Webster

Henry's a much better run/jump athlete than Webster.

Post #40 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:50 pm

loot wrote:could henry play the sf position?

I think so. At 18, he's already stronger and more physically imposing than most college PFs. Maybe he's used up most of his size projectibility, but he ain't gonna shrink.

hotshotschamp · Post #41 » by **hotshotschamp** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:52 pm

If Henry came out this year? Where would you guys put him ...in that 6-10 range?

SeattleJazzFan · Post #42 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:20 pm

hotshotschamp wrote:If Henry came out this year? Where would you guys put him ...in that 6-10 range?

I need to see more of him, but right now I'd put him anywhere from 8 to 15.

vincecarter4pres · Post #43 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:25 pm

The player he most reminds me of is Finley crossed with Majerle.

Jimmy76 · Post #44 » by **Jimmy76** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:49 am

xavier is way overated here

what has he shown that makes him such a good prospect?

SeattleJazzFan · Post #45 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:37 am

Jimmy76 wrote:xavier is way overated here

what has he shown that makes him such a good prospect?

Um...strength, athleticism, ballhandling, high bball IQ, shooting ability, work ethic, good size, defense. Other than that, he's nothing special.

John Doe [MIN] · Post #46 » by **John Doe [MIN]** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:44 am

It's funny how one dumb comment can derail a thread for multiple pages. I think the James Harden comparison has been thoroughly debunked.

Moving on, I submit that he could be a SG version of Danny Granger. (Obviously, he'd need to pretty much max out his upside to get there, but still.)

Jimmy76 · Post #47 » by **Jimmy76** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:26 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Jimmy76 wrote:xavier is way overated here

what has he shown that makes him such a good prospect?

Um...strength, athleticism, ballhandling, high bball IQ, shooting ability, work ethic, good size, defense. Other than that, he's nothing special.

His handles arent that good and his bbiq is nothing special. So far he's got a good body and a good shot thats it. At the college level thats more than enough to be a go to scorer it isnt at the NBA level.

edit: and yes I feel fine saying this right after watching the Kansas game where he scored in droves

SeattleJazzFan · Post #48 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:27 pm

After watching him put up 31 pts on 10-15 in just 29 minutes today, regardless of who his best comparison might be, he is pretty damn good.

Actually, the more I watch of him, it's hard not to be reminded of a young Ray Allen. A stronger, southpaw version.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #49 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:29 pm

Jimmy76 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Jimmy76 wrote:xavier is way overated here

what has he shown that makes him such a good prospect?

Um...strength, athleticism, ballhandling, high bball IQ, shooting ability, work ethic, good size, defense. Other than that, he's nothing special.

His handles arent that good and his bbiq is nothing special.

I couldn't disagree more.

Jimmy76 · Post #50 » by **Jimmy76** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:51 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
I couldn't disagree more.

Any paticular reason you disagree? I've seen some Kansas games and this is what im seeing.