Overrated/Underrated Game: 2013 draft

[UGA Hayes]

So its time to reevaluate where we think guys should be. The way this will work is that below I have listed the draftexpress 1st and 2nd rounds as of 4/20/2013. Pick ONE guy per post and explain why you think said player is underrated or overrated and say where you think he should be. The next poster then says whether they agree with the above poster and can give a reason if they want to, and then list there own person that they think is over or underrated , Then rinse and repeat. Try to respond to the last post and not one 10 posts before. If you want to name someone already mentioned as your topic of discussion though, that is ok. If the thread gets a good amount of responses I will update the first page with updated draft rankings.

1st round
1 Nerlens Noel C
19 years old, Freshman
6' 11" 216lbs.
Kentucky

2 Ben McLemore SG
20 years old, Freshman
6' 4" 195lbs.
Kansas

3 Anthony Bennett PF
20 years old, Freshman
6' 7" 239lbs.
UNLV

4 Victor Oladipo SG/SF
20 years old, Junior
6' 5" 210lbs.
Indiana

5 Cody Zeller C
20 years old, Sophomore
7' 0" 240lbs.
Indiana

6 Trey Burke PG
20 years old, Sophomore
6' 0" 180lbs.
Michigan

7 Otto Porter SF
19 years old, Sophomore
6' 8" 200lbs.
Georgetown

8 Shabazz Muhammad SF
20 years old, Freshman
6' 6" 223lbs.
UCLA

9 Rudy Gobert PF/C
20 years old, International
7' 1" 235lbs.
Cholet

10 Alex Len C
19 years old, Sophomore
7' 1" 255lbs.
Maryland

11 Michael Carter-Williams PG
21 years old, Sophomore
6' 5" 175lbs.
Syracuse

12 Mason Plumlee C
23 years old, Senior
6' 11" 245lbs.
Duke

13 Kelly Olynyk C
22 years old, Junior
7' 0" 238lbs.
Gonzaga

14 Isaiah Austin C
19 years old, Freshman
7' 1" 220lbs.
Baylor

15 C.J. McCollum PG/SG
21 years old, Senior
6' 3" 192lbs.
Lehigh

16 Gorgui Dieng C
23 years old, Junior
6' 11" 245lbs.
Louisville

17 Archie Goodwin SG
18 years old, Freshman
6' 5" 195lbs.
Kentucky

18 Steven Adams C
19 years old, Freshman
6' 11" 235lbs.
Pittsburgh

19 Jeff Withey C
23 years old, Senior
6' 11" 240lbs.
Kansas

20 Jamaal Franklin SG
21 years old, Junior
6' 5" 205lbs.
San Diego State

21 Tony Mitchell PF
21 years old, Sophomore
6' 8" 235lbs.
North Texas

22 Dario Saric SF
19 years old, International
6' 10" 223lbs.
Cibona Zagreb

23 Sergey Karasev SF
19 years old, International
6' 7" 205lbs.
Triumph Moscow

24 Giannis Adetokunbo SF
18 years old, International
6' 9" 196lbs.
Filathlitikos

25 Mouhammadou Jaiteh C
18 years old, International
6' 9" 220lbs.
Boulogne

26.Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG
20 years old; 6'6"; 185 lbs.
Georgia, Sophomore

27 Shane Larkin PG
20 years old; 5'11"; 162 lbs.
Miami FL, Sophomore

28 Allen Crabbe SG
21 years old; 6'6"; 205 lbs.
California, Junior

29 Lucas Nogueira C
20 years old; 6'11"; 215 lbs.
Estudiantes, International

30 Reggie Bullock SF
22 years

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[UGA Hayes]

2nd round
1 Green PG/SG
21 years old; 6'3"; 185 lbs.
Virginia Tech, Senior

2 Russ Smith PG
22 years old; 6'0"; 160 lbs.
Louisville, Junior

3 C.J. Leslie SF/PF
21 years old; 6'9"; 207 lbs.
N.C. State, Junior

4 Lorenzo Brown PG
22 years old; 6'4"; 180 lbs.
N.C. State, Junior

5 B.J. Young SG
19 years old; 6'3"; 180 lbs.
Arkansas, Sophomore

6 Adreian Payne PF/C
22 years old; 6'9"; 215 lbs.
Michigan State, Junior

7 Mike Muscala C
21 years old; 6'11"; 232 lbs.
Bucknell, Senior

8 Doug McDermott PF
21 years old; 6'8"; 223 lbs.
Creighton, Junior

9 Nate Wolters PG
21 years old; 6'4"; 190 lbs.
South Dakota St, Senior

10 LeBryan Nash SF
20 years old; 6'7"; 220 lbs.
Oklahoma State, Sophomore

11 Myck Kabongo PG
21 years old; 6'2"; 168 lbs.
Texas, Sophomore

12 Jackie Carmichael PF
23 years old; 6'9"; 241 lbs.
Illinois State, Senior

13 Nemanja Nedovic PG/SG
21 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Lietuvos Rytas, International

14 Alex Abrines SG
20 years old; 6'5"; 190 lbs.
Barcelona, International

15 Solomon Hill SF
22 years old; 6'6"; 230 lbs.
Arizona, Senior

16 Phil Pressey PG
22 years old; 6'0"; 178 lbs.
Missouri, Junior

17 Bojan Dubljevic PF/C
21 years old; 6'10"; 242 lbs.
Valencia, International

18 Michael Snaer SG
22 years old; 6'4"; 185 lbs.
Florida State, Senior

19 Deshaun Thomas SF/PF
21 years old; 6'7"; 221 lbs.
Ohio State, Junior

20 Erik Murphy PF
22 years old; 6'10"; 220 lbs.
Florida, Senior

21 Isaiah Canaan PG/SG
21 years old; 6'0"; 175 lbs.
Murray State, Senior

22 Tim Hardaway Jr SG
21 years old; 6'5"; 185 lbs.
Michigan, Junior

23 James Ennis SF
22 years old; 6'7"; 210 lbs.
Long Beach State, Senior

24 Marko Todorovic C
21 years old; 6'11"; 240 lbs.
Barcelona, International

25 Vander Blue SG
20 years old; 6'4"; 200 lbs.
Marquette, Junior

26 Brandon Paul SG
21 years old; 6'4"; 195 lbs.
Illinois, Senior

27 Pierre Jackson PG
21 years old; 5'10"; 180 lbs.
Baylor, Senior

28 Richard Howell PF
22 years old; 6'8"; 220 lbs.
N.C. State, Senior

29 Glen Rice SG
22 years old; 6'6"; 215 lbs.
Rio Grande Valley, Senior

30 Trevor Mbakwe PF/C
24 years old; 6'8"; 237 lbs.
Minnesota, Senior

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[Roger Murdock]

Otto Porter is underrated. Hes got a great combination of size and skill set. How is he 7th in this bad draft, when Barnes was considered a steal at 7 last year, when Porter proved to be a better shooter, defender, rebounder, and passer in college?

With Otto Porters skill set its easy to see many many player in the NBA who have had success that he can relate to. I'd take him 1st overall if my team didn't need Noel.

[UGA Hayes]

I agree with Porter being underrated for the reasons you mentioned althought 1 is a little high for me probably slot him around 3.

Steven Adams is underrated. I would take him in the top 10, probably in 6-8 range. He was a very good defender and rebounder this year and in a big for me if you have those two things everthing else is gravy. And this case the gravy is being a solid although not spectacular offensive player. Centainly not a guy who is going to give you a zero a lot of nights on offense (cough Gogui Deng cough), and showed a foundation to get better. Plus I say a lot of in season growth from him and he seemed to have a surprisingly mature attitude on the court relative to some of the less then flattering interviews I saw for him.

[MellowRose]

Why is Burke so low?

[Dr Positivity]

Rudy Gobert has become underrated, an M. Night caliber twist with the traditional history of super long center projects getting taken too high. Gobert is a rare physical talent not just for his length but also his athleticism, also he appears to have excellent hands (leading to 70%-80% FG) and decent fluidity/feel to his game

[Marvin Martian]

I agree with Porter being underrated for the reasons you mentioned althought 1 is a little high for me probably slot him around 3.

Steven Adams is underrated. I would take him in the top 10, probably in 6-8 range. He was a very good defender and rebounder this year and in a big for me if you have those two things everthing else is gravy. And this case the gravy is being a solid although not spectacular offensive player. Centainly not a guy who is going to give you a zero a lot of nights on offense (cough Gogui Deng cough), and showed a foundation to get better. Plus I say a lot of in season growth from him and he seemed to have a surprisingly mature attitude on the court relative to some of the less then flattering interviews I saw for him.

I agree except that I would take him in the 10-15 range

I think Nate Wolters is underrated. He has a great skillset offensively and when you look at the numbers and his situation, they are similar to Damian Lillard. Old rookie, comes from a small school, putting up great stats (arguably better than Lillard during his senior year), on excellent efficiency, taking good care of the ball, and scoring at a good rate.


I would take him in the late lotto if given the chance in this weak draft.

[Hogified05]

I think Nate Wolters is underrated. He has a great skillset offensively and when you look at the numbers and his situation, they are similar to Damian Lillard. Old rookie, comes from a small school, putting up great stats (arguably better than Lillard during his senior year), on excellent efficiency, taking good care of the ball, and scoring at a good rate.


I would take him in the late lotto if given the chance in this weak draft.

Don't know enough about him to say either way, always root for a follow white boy to do good thou ha. Anyways everyone went he underrated route, I'll go the other way.

Ben McLemore is overrated as a top 3 pick. The man might have a nice long career in the NBA, but the only reason he is so high is because this draft is devoid of any real stars. I didn't see many games Kansas played but it seemed like he has no 1 on 1 game. If you want to be a stud in the NBA they have to be able to give you the ball and say score. He has great athleticism and a smooth stroke, but I wouldn't touch him in the top 5 honestly. He disappeared for stretches in games for KU. Maybe thats not what KU wanted from him but even so you have to demand the ball if you are the best player on your team.

I'd take Victor O over McLemore. Victor altered games with his effort and defense. He is just as athletic if not more then McLemore. His shot might not be as pure as Ben's but you could make a valid argument Victor can create his own shot better then Ben.

[Catchall]

I think Oladipo is a bit overrated due to playing at a high-profile program. He can't really create his own shot, and his athleticism won't give him the same advantage at the next level. I'd see him in the 7 - 10 range, even in this draft.

I think CJ McCollum is a bit underrated right now. I think his draft stock will rise when people see that he's healthy and he reminds people that he's the best shooter in the first round.

[Juggynaut]

I think Nate Wolters is underrated. He has a great skillset offensively and when you look at the numbers and his situation, they are similar to Damian Lillard. Old rookie, comes from a small school, putting up great stats (arguably better than Lillard during his senior year), on excellent efficiency, taking good care of the ball, and scoring at a good rate.


I would take him in the late lotto if given the chance in this weak draft.

Nate Wolters reminds me of Jeremy Lin. Both are at their best driving to the basket and controls the pace well. He's going to be a good player, should be a 1st round pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I agree with Porter being underrated for the reasons you mentioned althought 1 is a little high for me probably slot him around 3.

Steven Adams is underrated. I would take him in the top 10, probably in 6-8 range. He was a very good defender and rebounder this year and in a big for me if you have those two things everthing else is gravy. And this case the gravy is being a solid although not spectacular offensive player. Centainly not a guy who is going to give you a zero a lot of nights on offense (cough Gogui Deng cough), and showed a foundation to get better. Plus I say a lot of in season growth from him and he seemed to have a surprisingly mature attitude on the court relative to some of the less then flattering interviews I saw for him.

I agree except that I would take him in the 10-15 range

I think Nate Wolters is underrated. He has a great skillset offensively and when you look at the numbers and his situation, they are similar to Damian Lillard. Old rookie, comes from a small school, putting up great stats (arguably better than Lillard during his senior year), on excellent efficiency, taking good care of the ball, and scoring at a good rate.


I would take him in the late lotto if given the chance in this weak draft.

I agree on Wolters. He looks like a mid-first to me. I think he's going to be a good pro, probably a starter one day and maybe a good one.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Doug McDermott is very underrated. Way too efficient a scorer to be a round two pick.

Two other very underrated prospects are Zeke Marshall and D. J. Stephens.

Jamaal Franklin may have problematic character/attitude issues, otherwise his ability to get the ball and get to the basket make me think he's going to be a real successful pro. He plays with great energy and I think he's going to be a good defender. He LOOKS like a future very good NBA SG to me.

Tony Mitchell has all the physical tools but he lacks everything else. Perhaps playing for money and playing for a job against grown men will help him. Usually, that goes the other way but Mitchell is a freak athlete and I think if he goes to the right team he might surprise.

[No-Man]

How is Porter underrated? he's a role player and he's going to be a top5.

Gobert is overrated, he's a disaster as a basketball player, Len and Oladipo are overrated too.

Zeller is underrated.

I mean, the Draft is a disaster so it's really difficult to talk about over/under rated players.

[mrmsix6]

Burke is underrated. I'd be very surprised if McLemore becomes a better pro than Burke. Burke should go top 3. Size is always overemphasized with PGs, and it's not like Burke is a midget. He's the best college player in the country at 20yo and at a very important position. Can shoot, pass, handle the ball well, doesn't turn it over, and can be a pesky defender. He controls the game like a PG should. He'll be better than Kemba Walker.

I agree with the others on Wolters. Kid is seriously talented, should easily be a 1st rd pick.

Steven Adams definitely has the talent and size to be a lotto pick, but everything else about him screams bust. I don't like to make too much of these kid's interviews, but good lord. If GMs interview him and conclude he has the work ethic and mental maturity he should be a lotto pick. Red flag city with this guy.

Len is underrated. Unless there are some serious red flags about his work ethic/mental makeup he has the talent and size to be a top 5 pick.

Top 5 should be:
Noel
Burke
Porter
Len
Bennett

[Umbra]

Olynyk and McCollum are hella underrated.

[mavs_dachamps]

Burke is underrated. I'd be very surprised if McLemore becomes a better pro than Burke. Burke should go top 3. Size is always overemphasized with PGs, and it's not like Burke is a midget. He's the best college player in the country at 20yo and at a very important position. Can shoot, pass, handle the ball well, doesn't turn it over, and can be a pesky defender. He controls the game like a PG should. He'll be better than Kemba Walker.

I agree with the others on Wolters. Kid is seriously talented, should easily be a 1st rd pick.

Steven Adams definitely has the talent and size to be a lotto pick, but everything else about him screams bust. I don't like to make too much of these kid's interviews, but good lord. If GMs interview him and conclude he has the work ethic and mental maturity he should be a lotto pick. Red flag city with this guy.

Len is underrated. Unless there are some serious red flags about his work ethic/mental makeup he has the talent and size to be a top 5 pick.

Top 5 should be:
Noel
Burke
Porter
Len
Bennett

I think Burke is underrated he should be in the 2-5 range. He played better than anyone in college last year. His all around skill, leader ship, and "clutch-ness". Make him a player not to be based on. His weakness however is teams might be able to only guard his out side shot considering that he only makes 50-60% percent of his shots at the rim.

I agree on Wolten but I don't see a starter, he is a bench leader at best.

I love Adams, without Cauley Stein an a lot of the other top bigs I like him more than Len and Olynk. If he could've played more minutes last season Adams would be above Len.

I hate Kelly Olynk I see at best a rich-mans Steve Novak.

Victor Oladipo is bar non the most underrated player in this draft. Even with his team sucking in March Madness he saved their butts with timely steals, clutch shots, great isolation defense, and fast break points. He is basically Alvin Robertson. Insane athlete and best isolation defender in this draft; plus he has a great work ethic(improved 3pt shooting by 20% last season and free throw by 14%) he is only going to get better in the NBA and he is already a easy top 3 player in this draft.

[babyjax13]

Burke is waaaay overrated, Porter is underrated. McCollum is underrated. Franklin, I think, is overrated.

[JimboSlice]

I think Burke's rating is right about spot on. Porter is definitely underrated. McCollum is an overrated underrated player. People seem to think of him and they think of Lillard, Curry, or Maynor because of the small school king label, but he shares few similarities with them. Jamal Crawford is what I project him to be (which is a good thing in my book), but nothing more.

Len is my most overrated prospect. Physically, he's got great tools. On the block, he's showed signs of life. But that's where the buck stops. Very low BBIQ, poor game feel, very weak physically. While his skillset may be slightly better than Gobert, both probably have the same floor, but Gobert's physical profile gives him a higher ceiling, because really, who cares what your post moves are or finishing ability is if you can't establish post position or find spots on the floor to catch and finish (or stay out of foul trouble long enough to do any of the above).

[bondom34]

I think Burke's rating is right about spot on. Porter is definitely underrated. McCollum is an overrated underrated player. People seem to think of him and they think of Lillard, Curry, or Maynor because of the small school king label, but he shares few similarities with them. Jamal Crawford is what I project him to be (which is a good thing in my book), but nothing more.

Len is my most overrated prospect. Physically, he's got great tools. On the block, he's showed signs of life. But that's where the buck stops. Very low BBIQ, poor game feel, very weak physically. While his skillset may be slightly better than Gobert, both probably have the same floor, but Gobert's physical profile gives him a higher ceiling, because really, who cares what your post moves are or finishing ability is if you can't establish post position or find spots on the floor to catch and finish (or stay out of foul trouble long enough to do any of the above).

Agree on Len being a little overrated, think Porter's spot is about right, and was going to list McCollum as slightly underrated, but not much. Overrated for me would be Gobert (sorry, just can't trust a true big from Europe till it completely pans out), and for a second underrated I'd say Muscala from Bucknell, think he should go late first round at the latest.

[Eoghan]

Muscala is a bit underrated. I think he should go late 1st.

I think Archie Goodwin is underrated. He's a complete dumb dumb in terms of knowing how to play the game but GMs are gonna bite hard on his potential and athleticism. If he went to Oz and got a brain he'd be pushing McLemore for best SG in the draft, easily.