how many projected pros are on michigan?

[nickforthreee]

i saw the thread about kansas and was curious about michigan as well.

Do you guys think Robinson and Stauskas will declare this year?

what about the rest of the players futures?

[ManualRam]

if gr3 doesn't improve his stock greatly i could see him staying. he and mcgary are best buds so its possible that if mcgary doesnt leave than gr3 might not either. i'm just pulling this out of my ass, but my guess would be 70/30, him declaring.

idk about stauskas. i'm not sure how much more he could improve at the college level. i think he is what he is going to be. obviously he can shoot the lights out. he can put the ball on the deck with skill. he's added strength. i'm not sure how much more he can physically improve. i mean he can add more weight, but can he get quicker? i doubt it. i think whether he declares this yr or next, he'd still be projected the same.

i think caris levert is definitely an NBA prospect. he just needs to continue getting stronger. he's multi-skilled (his ability to fill in at the point at 6'6 is very intriguing) and he plays both ends, but strength is still an issue with him.

zak irvin has good size for a SG, but his game currently is more of a spot up shooting SFs. he's got potential but he needs to show that he can do more than just shoot. he looks like a 3 yr player. he's got a nice shot. he's ultra confident (almost TOO confident. has no issue letting it fly). he has a nice frame and he's a decent athlete.

despite a relatively rough start, derrick walton has grown on me. i like how shifty and low he plays. he's got some playmaking potential. form-wise he's not a bad shooter either and he's not lacking in confidence. he knows how to play, but he gets ahead of himself sometimes. i'm pretty confident in beilein's ability to turn this kid into an nba prospect by the end of his college career.

[nickforthreee]

if gr3 doesn't improve his stock greatly i could see him staying. he and mcgary are best buds so its possible that if mcgary doesnt leave than gr3 might not either. i'm just pulling this out of my ass, but my guess would be 70/30, him declaring.

idk about stauskas. i'm not sure how much more he could improve at the college level. i think he is what he is going to be. obviously he can shoot the lights out. he can put the ball on the deck with skill. he's added strength. i'm not sure how much more he can physically improve. i mean he can add more weight, but can he get quicker? i doubt it. i think whether he declares this yr or next, he'd still be projected the same.

i think caris levert is definitely an NBA prospect. he just needs to continue getting stronger. he's multi-skilled (his ability to fill in at the point at 6'6 is very intriguing) and he plays both ends, but strength is still an issue with him.

zak irvin has good size for a SG, but his game currently is more of a spot up shooting SFs. he's got potential but he needs to show that he can do more than just shoot. he looks like a 3 yr player. he's got a nice shot. he's ultra confident (almost TOO confident. has no issue letting it fly). he has a nice frame and he's a decent athlete.

despite a relatively rough start, derrick walton has grown on me. i like how shifty and low he plays. he's got some playmaking potential. form-wise he's not a bad shooter either and he's not lacking in confidence. he knows how to play, but he gets ahead of himself sometimes. i'm pretty confident in beilein's ability to turn this kid into an nba prospect by the end of his college career.

thanks!

[Nolan]

There's at least 3, those being Staukas, McGary, and Robinson. Irvin and Levert are both border line guys that could make it.

But I think when its all said and done Staukas is going to be the best out of the bunch. Amazing shooter who can handle the ball and makes plays.

[EricAnderson]

Im not GR3 fan i think hes simply an athlete who still doesnt have much of a skillset and usually those guys dont magically get one either..

But i thought the same about Kawhi coming into the draft and he drastically improved his shot and all around skillset so its possible but he also lucked out going to a great organazation..

[ManualRam]

derrick walton jr is gonna be a good one. he's really stepped up his game in conference play, averaging about 10/3/3 on 59% from the floor 56% from 3 during big 10 play, in about 27 minutes including a game where he didn't play much because of the flu.

he's not that tall, about 6' even, strong build, but he has a really good handle, is cerebral and is a good shooter. very fast with the ball in the open floor too.

zac irvin otoh i'm not so sure of. he just looks like a gunner with a good build. he's got a weak handle, no mid game and doesn't have a quick step. he's got a long way to go to be an NBA prospect, but i cannot discount the player development that goes on at michigan. they're one of the best staffs in the nation at developing players.

[EricAnderson]

derrick walton jr is gonna be a good one. he's really stepped up his game in conference play, averaging about 10/3/3 on 59% from the floor 56% from 3 during big 10 play, in about 27 minutes including a game where he didn't play much because of the flu.

he's not that tall, about 6' even, strong build, but he has a really good handle, is cerebral and is a good shooter. very fast with the ball in the open floor too.

zac irvin otoh i'm not so sure of. he just looks like a gunner with a good build. he's got a weak handle, no mid game and doesn't have a quick step. he's got a long way to go to be an NBA prospect, but i cannot discount the player development that goes on at michigan. they're one of the best staffs in the nation at developing players.

Yeah Beleins a hell of a offensive coach..loved him since WVU

Cant wait to see Chatman in his system next year kids a real good player

[Ell Curry]

Levert will be a solid backup SG in the NBA, I think. Most likely Stauskas will leave next year and he'll be our #1 option.

He's very athletic, long, can really shoot (37% on 3's, 80% from the line), likes to pass and has improved tremendously each year from high school junior to senior to college frosh to sophomore.

He's got a nice handle, NBA size, he's unselfish and long. I think he's a really nice bet to be a Pondexter-type, maybe the 3rd or 4th guy in the wing rotation on a good team.

He's a stronger all around player than Stauskas or Robinson, he's just not the shooter the former is, or the leaper the latter is.

The NBA comp I would use is a slightly longer and quicker Marco Bellinelli. Cross racial comparison! Shots for everyone!

[doordoor123]

if gr3 doesn't improve his stock greatly i could see him staying. he and mcgary are best buds so its possible that if mcgary doesnt leave than gr3 might not either. i'm just pulling this out of my ass, but my guess would be 70/30, him declaring.

idk about stauskas. i'm not sure how much more he could improve at the college level. i think he is what he is going to be. obviously he can shoot the lights out. he can put the ball on the deck with skill. he's added strength. i'm not sure how much more he can physically improve. i mean he can add more weight, but can he get quicker? i doubt it. i think whether he declares this yr or next, he'd still be projected the same.

i think caris levert is definitely an NBA prospect. he just needs to continue getting stronger. he's multi-skilled (his ability to fill in at the point at 6'6 is very intriguing) and he plays both ends, but strength is still an issue with him.

zak irvin has good size for a SG, but his game currently is more of a spot up shooting SFs. he's got potential but he needs to show that he can do more than just shoot. he looks like a 3 yr player. he's got a nice shot. he's ultra confident (almost TOO confident. has no issue letting it fly). he has a nice frame and he's a decent athlete.

despite a relatively rough start, derrick walton has grown on me. i like how shifty and low he plays. he's got some playmaking potential. form-wise he's not a bad shooter either and he's not lacking in confidence. he knows how to play, but he gets ahead of himself sometimes. i'm pretty confident in beilein's ability to turn this kid into an nba prospect by the end of his college career.

I'm thinking Stauskas's potential resembles that of Chandler Parsons.

Caris LeVert is defintely someone making it into the NBA. "When?" is the question. He isn't ready this year and probably won't get spotlight until some other players on the team make the jump to the NBA.

I'm convinced the only ones that will become pros on Michigan right now are LeVert, Stauskas, Robinson III and McGary.

I wouldnt be shocked if Robinson III stays another year to try and get a jump again unless he shows that he's a force to be reckoned with in the tournament. He should leave so LeVert gets some proper time to show off what he can do the following year.

I don't mind McGary staying another year because of his injuries.

I think of all the teams, Michigan is the one team I could see every top player staying another year.

[ManualRam]

if gr3 doesn't improve his stock greatly i could see him staying. he and mcgary are best buds so its possible that if mcgary doesnt leave than gr3 might not either. i'm just pulling this out of my ass, but my guess would be 70/30, him declaring.

idk about stauskas. i'm not sure how much more he could improve at the college level. i think he is what he is going to be. obviously he can shoot the lights out. he can put the ball on the deck with skill. he's added strength. i'm not sure how much more he can physically improve. i mean he can add more weight, but can he get quicker? i doubt it. i think whether he declares this yr or next, he'd still be projected the same.

i think caris levert is definitely an NBA prospect. he just needs to continue getting stronger. he's multi-skilled (his ability to fill in at the point at 6'6 is very intriguing) and he plays both ends, but strength is still an issue with him.

zak irvin has good size for a SG, but his game currently is more of a spot up shooting SFs. he's got potential but he needs to show that he can do more than just shoot. he looks like a 3 yr player. he's got a nice shot. he's ultra confident (almost TOO confident. has no issue letting it fly). he has a nice frame and he's a decent athlete.

despite a relatively rough start, derrick walton has grown on me. i like how shifty and low he plays. he's got some playmaking potential. form-wise he's not a bad shooter either and he's not lacking in confidence. he knows how to play, but he gets ahead of himself sometimes. i'm pretty confident in beilein's ability to turn this kid into an nba prospect by the end of his college career.

I'm thinking Stauskas's potential resembles that of Chandler Parsons.

Caris LeVert is defintely someone making it into the NBA. "When?" is the question. He isn't ready this year and probably won't get spotlight until some other players on the team make the jump to the NBA.

I'm convinced the only ones that will become pros on Michigan right now are LeVert, Stauskas, Robinson III and McGary.

I wouldnt be shocked if Robinson III stays another year to try and get a jump again unless he shows that he's a force to be reckoned with in the tournament. He should leave so LeVert gets some proper time to show off what he can do the following year.

I don't mind McGary staying another year because of his injuries.

I think of all the teams, Michigan is the one team I could see every top player staying another year.

i think walton jr has a future in the league too.

[reanimator]

Caris is also young for his class. In fact, he is younger than many of the freshman being raved about and mocked higher than him.

I really love that he plays both ends of the court (unusually of a Beilein player) and he is blindingly quick, being able to break anyone down off the dribble without needing a ballscreen like Stauskas or Burke.

I'm not quite ready to project his pro prospects until he has another offseason of lifting with Michigan's S&C and works on his shooting off the dribble. I also hope he continues to develop his court vision because he has all the tools to be a 6-6 combo in the mold of Exum or MCW, though not as good.

Zak Irvin will be a pro, as well. I'm going by faith here but I trust our staff (mainly Lavall Jordan) to develop his ballhandling and overall floor game. He is already a sniper who is going to be a great defender.

Not sure if Walton makes it to the league. He is shooting well off catch-and-shoot but his defense leaves a lot to be desired (Yogi Ferell lit him up yesterday) and he can't create in the halfcourt (all of his assist seem to be in transtion).

Nik is gone. Glenn (can he improve his ballhandling?) and Mitch should return.

Next year's incoming freshmen, Kameron Chatman and DJ Wilson also excite me.

[ManualRam]

Caris is also young for his class. In fact, he is younger than many of the freshman being raved about and mocked higher than him.

I really love that he plays both ends of the court (unusually of a Beilein player) and he is blindingly quick, being able to break anyone down off the dribble without needing a ballscreen like Stauskas or Burke.

I'm not quite ready to project his pro prospects until he has another offseason of lifting with Michigan's S&C and works on his shooting off the dribble. I also hope he continues to develop his court vision because he has all the tools to be a 6-6 combo in the mold of Exum or MCW, though not as good.

Zak Irvin will be a pro, as well. I'm going by faith here but I trust our staff (mainly Lavall Jordan) to develop his ballhandling and overall floor game. He is already a sniper who is going to be a great defender.

Not sure if Walton makes it to the league. He is shooting well off catch-and-shoot but his defense leaves a lot to be desired (Yogi Ferell lit him up yesterday) and he can't create in the halfcourt (all of his assist seem to be in transtion).

Nik is gone. Glenn (can he improve his ballhandling?) and Mitch should return.

Next year's incoming freshmen, Kameron Chatman and DJ Wilson also excite me.

yogi was making contested 3's from 3 feet behind the line. walton does have good vision though. he also has a nice handle with breakdown ability. michigan just really shares the sugar offensively with all 3 of stauskas, levert and walton sharing ball-handling duties. spike too when he's in the game. if stauskas goes, i can see walton having a bigger share of ball-handling duties.

chatman's gonna be a good one. very tay prince-like. i'm not as excited about wilson. i thought he was more of a consolation prize after they swung and missed on a few guys. i think he'll need a yr of physical development too.

[reanimator]

Caris is also young for his class. In fact, he is younger than many of the freshman being raved about and mocked higher than him.

I really love that he plays both ends of the court (unusually of a Beilein player) and he is blindingly quick, being able to break anyone down off the dribble without needing a ballscreen like Stauskas or Burke.

I'm not quite ready to project his pro prospects until he has another offseason of lifting with Michigan's S&C and works on his shooting off the dribble. I also hope he continues to develop his court vision because he has all the tools to be a 6-6 combo in the mold of Exum or MCW, though not as good.

Zak Irvin will be a pro, as well. I'm going by faith here but I trust our staff (mainly Lavall Jordan) to develop his ballhandling and overall floor game. He is already a sniper who is going to be a great defender.

Not sure if Walton makes it to the league. He is shooting well off catch-and-shoot but his defense leaves a lot to be desired (Yogi Ferell lit him up yesterday) and he can't create in the halfcourt (all of his assist seem to be in transtion).

Nik is gone. Glenn (can he improve his ballhandling?) and Mitch should return.

Next year's incoming freshmen, Kameron Chatman and DJ Wilson also excite me.

yogi was making contested 3's from 3 feet behind the line. walton does have good vision though. he also has a nice handle with breakdown ability. michigan just really shares the sugar offensively with all 3 of stauskas, levert and walton sharing ball-handling duties. spike too when he's in the game. if stauskas goes, i can see walton having a bigger share of ball-handling duties.

chatman's gonna be a good one. very tay prince-like. i'm not as excited about wilson. i thought he was more of a consolation prize after they swung and missed on a few guys. i think he'll need a yr of physical development too.

Love that Tayshaun comparison.

Can you explain why sites like DX think the Harrison twins, Jabari Bird, Wayne Selden, Spencer Dinwiddie are better prospects than Caris LeVert?

He's taller, deadlier first step, laterally quicker, better perimeter shooter, grades as a future plus defender, same age and learning how to run PnR/ offense with efficiency under Beilein. He compares favorable to any of those guys or maybe I'm biased? He also tends to step up against elite competition : Arizona, Duke, Mich St, Wisconsin all say hello.

All he needs is a dribble pull-up game and a floater plus some more weight and he is pretty complete. I guess some of the other sophomores will have to leave so he can get the usage and volume shooting to really open eyes.

Guys like him, Deleon Wright and Elfrid Payton aren't getting fair evaluation based on being unheralded out of HS imo.

[ManualRam]

Caris is also young for his class. In fact, he is younger than many of the freshman being raved about and mocked higher than him.

I really love that he plays both ends of the court (unusually of a Beilein player) and he is blindingly quick, being able to break anyone down off the dribble without needing a ballscreen like Stauskas or Burke.

I'm not quite ready to project his pro prospects until he has another offseason of lifting with Michigan's S&C and works on his shooting off the dribble. I also hope he continues to develop his court vision because he has all the tools to be a 6-6 combo in the mold of Exum or MCW, though not as good.

Zak Irvin will be a pro, as well. I'm going by faith here but I trust our staff (mainly Lavall Jordan) to develop his ballhandling and overall floor game. He is already a sniper who is going to be a great defender.

Not sure if Walton makes it to the league. He is shooting well off catch-and-shoot but his defense leaves a lot to be desired (Yogi Ferell lit him up yesterday) and he can't create in the halfcourt (all of his assist seem to be in transtion).

Nik is gone. Glenn (can he improve his ballhandling?) and Mitch should return.

Next year's incoming freshmen, Kameron Chatman and DJ Wilson also excite me.

yogi was making contested 3's from 3 feet behind the line. walton does have good vision though. he also has a nice handle with breakdown ability. michigan just really shares the sugar offensively with all 3 of stauskas, levert and walton sharing ball-handling duties. spike too when he's in the game. if stauskas goes, i can see walton having a bigger share of ball-handling duties.

chatman's gonna be a good one. very tay prince-like. i'm not as excited about wilson. i thought he was more of a consolation prize after they swung and missed on a few guys. i think he'll need a yr of physical development too.

Love that Tayshaun comparison.

Can you explain why sites like DX think the Harrison twins, Jabari Bird, Wayne Selden, Spencer Dinwiddie are better prospects than Caris LeVert?

He's taller, deadlier first step, laterally quicker, better perimeter shooter, grades as a future plus defender, same age and learning how to run PnR/ offense with efficiency under Beilein. He compares favorable to any of those guys or maybe I'm biased? He also tends to step up against elite competition : Arizona, Duke, Mich St, Wisconsin all say hello.

All he needs is a dribble pull-up game and a floater plus some more weight and he is pretty complete. I guess some of the other sophomores will have to leave so he can get the usage and volume shooting to really open eyes.

Guys like him, Deleon Wright and Elfrid Payton aren't getting fair evaluation based on being unheralded out of HS imo.

for the most part recruiting analysts do a pretty good job with their evaluation. there are some guys who slip through the cracks for a number of reasons.

in levert's case, the evaluators didn't account for his growth spurt coming out of HS. levert had a late growth spurt, was still growing coming out of HS and even grew in b/t his freshman and soph years at UM. prior to that he was just another super skinny guard with unpolished shooting ability, which are a dime a dozen in HS. now, he's a 6'7 guard who retained his PG skills and quickness, with also an extra 25 lbs of mass on his lanky frame. that's almost an entirely different prospect, but because he didn't have the hype that other players did coming out of HS, he has to create his own reputation and expectations. not only that, but players like him have to exceed those expectations and prove themselves much more than the players who have a lot of their reputation established for them via rankings.

i think sites like DX rely on their previously established big boards and they are influenced by HS reputation/rankings, whether they like to admit it or not. players who come outside of those player pools are met with skepticism until they prove that they're not flukes. regardless of how big their net is, it's impossible to evaluate every single possible draft prospect. if guys like delon wright and levert continue to play like they have they'll eventually get respect, it'll just take longer, which is unfair but its understandable.

[EricAnderson]

Gotta give Belein a ton of credit its not like hes getting top 10 recruits like Cal hes getting middle of the pack second tier recruits and improving them..

If he gets Josh Jackson in 16' my god watch out

[reanimator]

LeVert and Stauskas are the best wing duo in the nation.

[reanimator]

Caris is starting to develop his pull-up game

Also, heres a great story on him

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.s ... _cari.html


Nik, Glenn and Mitch, just one more year please!!!

[reanimator]

Here's an excellent break down of GR3's game, since there seems to be a lot of platitudes and underselling of his game http://www.umhoops.com/2014/03/04/a-clo ... re-season/

Basically needs to add consistency to his 3 point range and *try* to improve as an iso scorer. Very similar development to Oladipo when at Indiana, undersized PFs out of HS who transitioned to the perimeter slowly...


Here is one for Caris LeVert http://www.umhoops.com/2014/02/25/close ... is-levert/

Just needs more strength and a pull-up game. DX is really underselling him... Scoring style is aesthetically reminiscent of Durant/Ginobili/Jamal Crawford (less ballhandling) with an overall floor game that reminds me of Lance Stephenson (without the strength).

Averaging 16 ppg 6 rpg 3 apg on 48 % FG 47 % 3 pt FG in his last 13 games

[Slartibartfast]

Here's an excellent break down of GR3's game, since there seems to be a lot of platitudes and underselling of his game http://www.umhoops.com/2014/03/04/a-clo ... re-season/

Basically needs to add consistency to his 3 point range and *try* to improve as an iso scorer. Very similar development to Oladipo when at Indiana, undersized PFs out of HS who transitioned to the perimeter slowly...


Here is one for Caris LeVert http://www.umhoops.com/2014/02/25/close ... is-levert/

Just needs more strength and a pull-up game. DX is really underselling him... Scoring style is aesthetically reminiscent of Durant/Ginobili/Jamal Crawford (less ballhandling) with an overall floor game that reminds me of Lance Stephenson (without the strength).

Averaging 16 ppg 6 rpg 3 apg on 48 % FG 47 % 3 pt FG in his last 13 games

LeVert reminds me a little too much of Gabe Pruitt. Not enough strength or explosiveness to get the most out of his skills.

[reanimator]

Here's an excellent break down of GR3's game, since there seems to be a lot of platitudes and underselling of his game http://www.umhoops.com/2014/03/04/a-clo ... re-season/

Basically needs to add consistency to his 3 point range and *try* to improve as an iso scorer. Very similar development to Oladipo when at Indiana, undersized PFs out of HS who transitioned to the perimeter slowly...


Here is one for Caris LeVert http://www.umhoops.com/2014/02/25/close ... is-levert/

Just needs more strength and a pull-up game. DX is really underselling him... Scoring style is aesthetically reminiscent of Durant/Ginobili/Jamal Crawford (less ballhandling) with an overall floor game that reminds me of Lance Stephenson (without the strength).

Averaging 16 ppg 6 rpg 3 apg on 48 % FG 47 % 3 pt FG in his last 13 games

LeVert reminds me a little too much of Gabe Pruitt. Not enough strength or explosiveness to get the most out of his skills.

I think those are legitimate concerns but keep in mind that LeVert has 3-4 inches of height and a probably a larger wingspan.

The biggest question is how his body feels out and is he done growing? He's 19 right now so it's kind of hard to tell. Seems like he didn't wasn't quite comfortable in his body earlier this year but has gotten more deliberate in his movement.

He's also more productive/ efficient than Gabe during any year he had at USC.