RATING careers of draft prospects
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RATING careers of draft prospects
I'm not talking about how each player will play in the first season or first two season; I'm talking about expectations. How do you expect each 2014 draft prospect to perform over the course of their career?
S = Career Superstar
A = Part of career as All-Star
B = Solid Starter
C = Below average starter/Role Player
D = End of the Bench
F = Out of the NBA
These are just off the top of my head. Didn't do too much research to figure out how I really feel about all these players.
Here is mine:
Andrew Wiggins (S)
Jabari Parker (S)
Joel Embiid (S)
Dante Exum (S)
Julius Randle (A)
Aaron Gordon (A)
Noah Vonleh (A)
Zach LaVine (A)
Cleanthany Early (A)
KJ McDaniels (A)
Kyle Anderson (A)
Shabazz Napier (B)
Dario Saric (B)
PJ Hairston (B)
Doug McDermott (B)
Clint Capela (B)
Tyler Ennis (B)
Jerami Grant (B)
Nik Stauskas (B)
Adrian Payne (B)
Rodney Hood (B)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (B)
James Young (C)
Marcus Smart (C)
Gary Harris (C)
TJ Warren (C)
Jusuf Nurkic (C)
Jarnell Stokes (C)
Glenn Robinson III (C)
Elfrid Payton (C)
What are some players you'd rank? What players would you rank higher or lower in my list?
S = Career Superstar
A = Part of career as All-Star
B = Solid Starter
C = Below average starter/Role Player
D = End of the Bench
F = Out of the NBA
These are just off the top of my head. Didn't do too much research to figure out how I really feel about all these players.
Here is mine:
Andrew Wiggins (S)
Jabari Parker (S)
Joel Embiid (S)
Dante Exum (S)
Julius Randle (A)
Aaron Gordon (A)
Noah Vonleh (A)
Zach LaVine (A)
Cleanthany Early (A)
KJ McDaniels (A)
Kyle Anderson (A)
Shabazz Napier (B)
Dario Saric (B)
PJ Hairston (B)
Doug McDermott (B)
Clint Capela (B)
Tyler Ennis (B)
Jerami Grant (B)
Nik Stauskas (B)
Adrian Payne (B)
Rodney Hood (B)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (B)
James Young (C)
Marcus Smart (C)
Gary Harris (C)
TJ Warren (C)
Jusuf Nurkic (C)
Jarnell Stokes (C)
Glenn Robinson III (C)
Elfrid Payton (C)
What are some players you'd rank? What players would you rank higher or lower in my list?
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so you have 11 all-stars coming out of this draft? sounds like a pretty epic draft...one of the greatest of all time.
also, a player can be a solid starter and a role player at the same time so there is overlap b/t B and C. even some all-stars are role players. in fact, the overwhelming majority of good players are role players.
also, a player can be a solid starter and a role player at the same time so there is overlap b/t B and C. even some all-stars are role players. in fact, the overwhelming majority of good players are role players.
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ManualRam wrote:so you have 11 all-stars coming out of this draft? sounds like a pretty epic draft...one of the greatest of all time.
also, a player can be a solid starter and a role player at the same time so there is overlap b/t B and C. even some all-stars are role players. in fact, the overwhelming majority of good players are role players.
Again, I just used a general feeling. Obviously there will be busts and obviously players won't live up to my standards. Of course it isn't going to be anything like this.
And by 'All-stars' I also mean fringe all-stars. Players that are good enough to be all-star, but aren't. There are a lot of players like that in the NBA. In fact, there are a **** TON of big players that just can't make an all-star team. There are also potential all-stars on bad teams (like Aaron Afflalo). On top of that, there are injuries that ruin a possible All-Star's career or position as a possible All-star. Not every good player becomes an actual all-star.
Technically, all players are role players. In the sense I'm using the word, I mean "role players coming off the bench." Didn't think it would be that hard to understand. BTW, can a player really be a solid starter and role player at the same? No, because they're either on the dominantly coming off the bench or they're not.
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doordoor123 wrote:ManualRam wrote:so you have 11 all-stars coming out of this draft? sounds like a pretty epic draft...one of the greatest of all time.
also, a player can be a solid starter and a role player at the same time so there is overlap b/t B and C. even some all-stars are role players. in fact, the overwhelming majority of good players are role players.
Again, I just used a general feeling. Obviously there will be busts and obviously players won't live up to my standards. Of course it isn't going to be anything like this.
And by 'All-stars' I also mean fringe all-stars. Players that are good enough to be all-star, but aren't. There are a lot of players like that in the NBA. In fact, there are a **** TON of big players that just can't make an all-star team. There are also potential all-stars on bad teams (like Aaron Afflalo). On top of that, there are injuries that ruin a possible All-Star's career or position as a possible All-star. Not every good player becomes an actual all-star.
Technically, all players are role players. In the sense I'm using the word, I mean "role players coming off the bench." Didn't think it would be that hard to understand. BTW, can a player really be a solid starter and role player at the same? No, because they're either on the dominantly coming off the bench or they're not.
you should've clarified what you meant by all-stars. you'd figure that that label would be pretty cut and dry.
no, not all players are role players. some players are stars, the players who make plays and who teams/offenses/defenses are built around. those are the players that are surrounded by role players, both off the bench AND in the starting lineup... which means that yes, role players can be and are solid starters.
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ManualRam wrote:doordoor123 wrote:ManualRam wrote:so you have 11 all-stars coming out of this draft? sounds like a pretty epic draft...one of the greatest of all time.
also, a player can be a solid starter and a role player at the same time so there is overlap b/t B and C. even some all-stars are role players. in fact, the overwhelming majority of good players are role players.
Again, I just used a general feeling. Obviously there will be busts and obviously players won't live up to my standards. Of course it isn't going to be anything like this.
And by 'All-stars' I also mean fringe all-stars. Players that are good enough to be all-star, but aren't. There are a lot of players like that in the NBA. In fact, there are a **** TON of big players that just can't make an all-star team. There are also potential all-stars on bad teams (like Aaron Afflalo). On top of that, there are injuries that ruin a possible All-Star's career or position as a possible All-star. Not every good player becomes an actual all-star.
Technically, all players are role players. In the sense I'm using the word, I mean "role players coming off the bench." Didn't think it would be that hard to understand. BTW, can a player really be a solid starter and role player at the same? No, because they're either on the dominantly coming off the bench or they're not.
you should've clarified what you meant by all-stars. you'd figure that that label would be pretty cut and dry.
no, not all players are role players. some players are stars, the players who make plays and who teams/offenses/defenses are built around. those are the players that are surrounded by role players, both off the bench AND in the starting lineup... which means that yes, role players can be and are solid starters.
Depends on perspective.
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S:
Andrew Wiggins
A:
Andrew Wiggins
Jabari Parker
Joel Embiid
Dante Exum
Julius Randle
Aaron Gordon
B:
Noah Vonleh
Cleanthany Early
Shabazz Napier
Dario Saric
PJ Hairston
Tyler Ennis
Nik Stauskas
Rodney Hood
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
James Young
Marcus Smart
Gary Harris
Kyle Anderson
C:
Zach LaVine
KJ McDaniels
Doug McDermott
Clint Capela
Jerami Grant
Adrian Payne
TJ Warren
Jusuf Nurkic
Glenn Robinson III
Elfrid Payton
D:
Jarnell Stokes
Andrew Wiggins
A:
Andrew Wiggins
Jabari Parker
Joel Embiid
Dante Exum
Julius Randle
Aaron Gordon
B:
Noah Vonleh
Cleanthany Early
Shabazz Napier
Dario Saric
PJ Hairston
Tyler Ennis
Nik Stauskas
Rodney Hood
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
James Young
Marcus Smart
Gary Harris
Kyle Anderson
C:
Zach LaVine
KJ McDaniels
Doug McDermott
Clint Capela
Jerami Grant
Adrian Payne
TJ Warren
Jusuf Nurkic
Glenn Robinson III
Elfrid Payton
D:
Jarnell Stokes
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S:
Andrew Wiggins
Dante Exum
A:
Joel Embiid
Kyle Anderson
Gary Harris
Jabari Parker
Noah Vonleh
B:
Nik Stauskas
Julius Randle
Marcus Smart
Elfrid Payton
James Young
Jusuf Nurkic
Jordan Bachinyski
C:
Adreian Payne
PJ Hairston
CJ Wilcox
Cameron Clark
Doug McDermott
Russ Smith
Jerami Grant
D:
Roy Devynn Marble
Shabazz Napier
Cleanthony Early
GRIII
Anyone not mentioned won't be in the NBA and yes that includes Aaron Gordon
Andrew Wiggins
Dante Exum
A:
Joel Embiid
Kyle Anderson
Gary Harris
Jabari Parker
Noah Vonleh
B:
Nik Stauskas
Julius Randle
Marcus Smart
Elfrid Payton
James Young
Jusuf Nurkic
Jordan Bachinyski
C:
Adreian Payne
PJ Hairston
CJ Wilcox
Cameron Clark
Doug McDermott
Russ Smith
Jerami Grant
D:
Roy Devynn Marble
Shabazz Napier
Cleanthony Early
GRIII
Anyone not mentioned won't be in the NBA and yes that includes Aaron Gordon
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Wait, you think Aaron Gordon will flush out of the NBA?
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No D's or F's? You're being too optimistic.
There's going to be busts, guys out of the league after the first two years of their rookie contract run out.
I also wouldn't peg Wiggins and Parker as superstars. Embiid would be the only one with an S in my opinion- and that's dependent on the idea that his back isn't going to be a chronic issue.
There's going to be busts, guys out of the league after the first two years of their rookie contract run out.
I also wouldn't peg Wiggins and Parker as superstars. Embiid would be the only one with an S in my opinion- and that's dependent on the idea that his back isn't going to be a chronic issue.
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Cammo101 wrote:Wait, you think Aaron Gordon will flush out of the NBA?
A tweener who can't shoot and has brick feet won't last in the NBA
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Everybody is extremely high on Exum and I hope he pans out to be all that he's touted to be. I'm just not completely sold on dude from the vids that are out of him especially when it comes to using that lef hand when attacking and possibly playing the deepest position in the league.
Can't wait till the workouts and Summer League to see if he's worth the "projected superstar" hype he's received off the limited visuals there are of him.
Also Aaron Gordon not being a "star" player in the league is one thing but to say he won't make it in the league for any team is a bit of a stretch. Dude isn't an elite prospect, not the same player he was touted to be, but there's still a lot to work with there. The effort is real and consistent, the defensive versatility is there and he's a team guy. Can be a very effective glue guy/role player at the next level.
Can't wait till the workouts and Summer League to see if he's worth the "projected superstar" hype he's received off the limited visuals there are of him.
Also Aaron Gordon not being a "star" player in the league is one thing but to say he won't make it in the league for any team is a bit of a stretch. Dude isn't an elite prospect, not the same player he was touted to be, but there's still a lot to work with there. The effort is real and consistent, the defensive versatility is there and he's a team guy. Can be a very effective glue guy/role player at the next level.
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Exum
SUPERSTAR
Embiid
ALLSTAR
Parker
Smart
Randle
BUST
Wiggins
Don't worry, I'll bump this post in 15 years to say I told you so.
Exum
SUPERSTAR
Embiid
ALLSTAR
Parker
Smart
Randle
BUST
Wiggins
Don't worry, I'll bump this post in 15 years to say I told you so.
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S = Career Superstar
A = Part of career as All-Star
B = Solid Starter
C = Below average starter/Role Player
D = End of the Bench
F = Out of the NBA
Andrew Wiggins (A)
Jabari Parker (S)
Joel Embiid (A/S)
Dante Exum (A)
Julius Randle (A)
Aaron Gordon (D)
Noah Vonleh (B)
Zach LaVine (C)
Kyle Anderson (B)
Shabazz Napier (B)
Doug McDermott (B/A)
Tyler Ennis (B)
Nik Stauskas (B)
Adrian Payne (B)
Rodney Hood (C)
Marcus Smart (A)
Only did the players I know a lot about.
A = Part of career as All-Star
B = Solid Starter
C = Below average starter/Role Player
D = End of the Bench
F = Out of the NBA
Andrew Wiggins (A)
Jabari Parker (S)
Joel Embiid (A/S)
Dante Exum (A)
Julius Randle (A)
Aaron Gordon (D)
Noah Vonleh (B)
Zach LaVine (C)
Kyle Anderson (B)
Shabazz Napier (B)
Doug McDermott (B/A)
Tyler Ennis (B)
Nik Stauskas (B)
Adrian Payne (B)
Rodney Hood (C)
Marcus Smart (A)
Only did the players I know a lot about.
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Too much optimism here.
Andrew Wiggins (B)
Jabari Parker (A)
Joel Embiid (S)
Dante Exum (A)
Julius Randle (C)
Aaron Gordon (B)
Noah Vonleh (B)
Zach LaVine (C)
Cleanthany Early (C)
KJ McDaniels (C)
Kyle Anderson (B)
Shabazz Napier (C)
Dario Saric (D)
PJ Hairston (B)
Doug McDermott (D)
Clint Capela (D)
Tyler Ennis (B)
Jerami Grant (D)
Nik Stauskas (B)
Adrian Payne (B)
Rodney Hood (C)
Andrew Wiggins (B)
Jabari Parker (A)
Joel Embiid (S)
Dante Exum (A)
Julius Randle (C)
Aaron Gordon (B)
Noah Vonleh (B)
Zach LaVine (C)
Cleanthany Early (C)
KJ McDaniels (C)
Kyle Anderson (B)
Shabazz Napier (C)
Dario Saric (D)
PJ Hairston (B)
Doug McDermott (D)
Clint Capela (D)
Tyler Ennis (B)
Jerami Grant (D)
Nik Stauskas (B)
Adrian Payne (B)
Rodney Hood (C)
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S = Career Superstar
A = Part of career as All-Star
B = Solid Starter
C = Below average starter/Role Player
D = End of the Bench
F = Out of the NBA
Andrew Wiggins (A+)
Jabari Parker (A+)
Joel Embiid (A+)
Dante Exum (A+)
Julius Randle (B+)
Noah Vonleh (B+)
Aaron Gordon (B+)
Dario Saric (B+)
PJ Hairston (B)
Marcus Smart (B)
Gary Harris (B)
Cleanthany Early (C+)
Shabazz Napier (C+)
Clint Capela (C+)
Jerami Grant (C+)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (C+)
Elfrid Payton (C+)
Jusuf Nurkic (C+)
Tyler Ennis (C)
Glenn Robinson III (C)
Nik Stauskas (C)
Kyle Anderson (D+)
Adrian Payne (D+)
Rodney Hood (D+)
James Young (D+)
Zach LaVine (D)
Doug McDermott (D)
TJ Warren (D)
A = Part of career as All-Star
B = Solid Starter
C = Below average starter/Role Player
D = End of the Bench
F = Out of the NBA
Andrew Wiggins (A+)
Jabari Parker (A+)
Joel Embiid (A+)
Dante Exum (A+)
Julius Randle (B+)
Noah Vonleh (B+)
Aaron Gordon (B+)
Dario Saric (B+)
PJ Hairston (B)
Marcus Smart (B)
Gary Harris (B)
Cleanthany Early (C+)
Shabazz Napier (C+)
Clint Capela (C+)
Jerami Grant (C+)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (C+)
Elfrid Payton (C+)
Jusuf Nurkic (C+)
Tyler Ennis (C)
Glenn Robinson III (C)
Nik Stauskas (C)
Kyle Anderson (D+)
Adrian Payne (D+)
Rodney Hood (D+)
James Young (D+)
Zach LaVine (D)
Doug McDermott (D)
TJ Warren (D)