If There Was A Redraft of 2013 Draft...

Profound23 · Post #121 » by **Profound23** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:33 am

Antetokounmpo would be number 1

Kurosawa0 · Post #122 » by **Kurosawa0** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:37 am

Cleveland still should've taken Oladipo. It would make taking Jabri Parker a no brainer this year. Of course assuming they still get the #1 pick that is. If not, I really think Oladipo is a great backcourt compliment to Kyrie anyway.

Troubadour · Post #123 » by **Troubadour** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:49 pm

1. Victor Oladipo - Cleveland
They were trying to win this season and they would have taken the better win-now piece in Oladipo.

2. Giannis Antetokounmpo - Orlando
Orlando gets the highest upside player in the draft and puts the team in a position to draft one of the PGs in the 2014 Draft.

3. Gorgui Dieng - Washington
Great shot blocker and rebounder. Nice touch around the rim. Fills a need for the team.

4. Ben McLemore - Charlotte
Fills a huge need for Charlotte and can space the floor. Lots of upside.

5. Anthony Bennett - Phoenix
They originally took an injured player. With Bennett, they don't have to rush him back and he fits their style of play.

6. Michael Carter-Williams - Philadelphia
Great value at #6 pick. Same destination.

7. Tim Hardaway Jr - Sacramento
Better fit for Kings' current direction and can stretch the floor for Cousins and Rudy Gay.

8. Trey Burke - Detroit
Michigan standout playing for Detroit. Saves the Pistons from signing Brandon Jennings.

9. Steven Adams - Minnesota
Added defense for a team in desperate need of it.

10. Mason Plumlee - Portland
Solid rotation big for a team in need of it.

BadWolf · Post #124 » by **BadWolf** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:12 pm

Dieng over adams?
Bennett 5th?
Why is b-mac that high?
Hardaway 7th?

I'd do

Oladipo
Giannis
Adams
Mcw

Post #125 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:55 pm

BadWolf wrote:Dieng over adams?

Adams: 3.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.7 bpg in 14.8 mpg (1 double-double)
Dieng: 4.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.8 bpg in 13.6 mpg (9 double-doubles)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dCzWUGrMbQ[/youtube]

Baller2014 · Post #126 » by **Baller2014** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:03 pm

Dieng wasn't getting his role reduced due to being on a stacked contender though, was he? All the OKC rookies are brought along slowly- R.Jax, Lamb, etc. These guys got like 0 minutes in their first year there.

Post #127 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:15 pm

Baller2014 wrote:Dieng wasn't getting his role reduced due to being on a stacked contender though, was he? All the OKC rookies are brought along slowly- R.Jax, Lamb, etc. These guys got like 0 minutes in their first year there.

That doesn't help your argument.

Despite Adams' "reduced role," he still averaged more playing time than Dieng and put up worse stats.

The only way you could possibly make a case for Adams over Dieng is age/potential.

Baller2014 · Post #128 » by **Baller2014** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:22 pm

Raw stats is not a very good argument. There's also more points and rebounds to be had when you're playing on a substantially weaker team.

Post #129 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:28 pm

Baller2014 wrote:There's also more points and rebounds to be had when you're playing on a substantially weaker team.

Not when you're playing next to Kevin Love.

Baller2014 · Post #130 » by **Baller2014** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:34 pm

That's the sort of comment that sounds clever, right up until you look at how Love's 26-12 compares to the OKC stat stuffers. Dieng benefitted from Pek going down, and with him gone there were more rebounds to grab and points to score. Prior to Pek going down, and opening up the starting spot, Dieng was getting 2.3ppg and 2.7 rpg.

Post #131 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:36 pm

Baller2014 wrote:Dieng wasn't getting his role reduced due to being on a stacked contender though, was he? All the OKC rookies are brought along slowly- R.Jax, Lamb, etc. These guys got like 0 minutes in their first year there.

Adelman is pretty notorious for not playing rookies without absolute necessity. Dieng got the bulk of his tic when Pek was down.

Baller2014 · Post #132 » by **Baller2014** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:38 pm

OKC is even more notorious.

Post #133 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:50 pm

both played out of necessity, Dieng due to Pek going down and Adams due to Kendrick Perkins being Kendrick Perkins.

Dieng had the better numbers Adams has more upside.

i can understand Dieng going to the Wiz with the issues they had at the 5 his shot blocking would be welcomed.

Adams was better than expected and grew faster than anticipated, going forward he might end up being the better player but right now wouldn't have been a better fit than Dieng.

Baller2014 · Post #134 » by **Baller2014** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:58 pm

Actually untrue. Adams minutes and stats were basically identical whether Perkins was injured or not, so clearly the coach just didn't want to play him more than X amount because he was a rookie... which is strange, but standard practise in OKC (where R.Jax and Lamb basically played 0 mins in their rookie years).

Post #135 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:04 pm

i'm saying coach played Adams because Perkins is ass cheeks and they've been looking to find someone to fill that role.

i think whether Perk was hurt or not Adams was going to gradually see minutes just because Perk is some **** and needs to go.

that's what i meant by necessity in regards to Adams

Baller2014 · Post #136 » by **Baller2014** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:20 pm

Perkins clearly isn't an excuse, because irrespective of how available Perkins was to play, Adams was getting the same minutes.

Grolgar · Post #137 » by **Grolgar** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:04 am

Adams won minutes over the course of the season with his play. He wasn't getting significant playoff minutes because someone was hurt.

BadWolf · Post #138 » by **BadWolf** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:51 am

Klomp wrote:
Baller2014 wrote:Dieng wasn't getting his role reduced due to being on a stacked contender though, was he? All the OKC rookies are brought along slowly- R.Jax, Lamb, etc. These guys got like 0 minutes in their first year there.

That doesn't help your argument.

Despite Adams' "reduced role," he still averaged more playing time than Dieng and put up worse stats.

The only way you could possibly make a case for Adams over Dieng is age/potential.

But that's the point right?
Adams is younger (3years? ) and potentially already better. He plays on a much better team and he's role throughout the season was reduced, much more marginal compared to Dieng in second half. He plays with two high scoring options, dieng has Rubio the distributor. Adams has a potential for elite post defense. I like Dieng, but I like Adams more.

NBA Moses · Post #139 » by **NBA Moses** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:08 pm

After seeing how last years modest class unfolded if i were a GM Id take Nerlens Noel #1.based on his potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... Yjrqm55UV0

King Ken · Post #140 » by **King Ken** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:08 pm

Interesting thread. I like looking at these to see how on/off everyone was.

Seems like everyone liked the flashes from Giannis.

No one was sold on anyone in this class. Even to be an all star.

Most of the raw or skill guys didn't flash in year 1 from this class.

No C.J., Gobert, and other pieces from this class.