Mudiay with academic issues, heading to China?

[Nolan]

1.2 mill, 1 yr and he'll likely get a ton of minutes? he won.

A ton of minutes in a terrible league. It'll probably all work out for him in the end (he'll still have the high school hype going into the draft) but he probably could of got similar money in a better league with real coaching.

[ManualRam]

1.2 mill, 1 yr and he'll likely get a ton of minutes? he won.

A ton of minutes in a terrible league. It'll probably all work out for him in the end (he'll still have the high school hype going into the draft) but he probably could of got similar money in a better league with real coaching.

i doubt that. not in a better league without any extra attachments. good euro teams really aren't that desperate. he wouldn't play either. other euro teams that probably aren't even good want extra attachments (multi yr with buyouts) or don't have the money to toss around on a 1 yr rental. otoh, chinese teams ARE desperate and will pay good money for whatever they can get. there was no perfect situation for him but he did get good money, a 1 yr deal with no additional attachments and he'll get minutes.

[Nolan]

1.2 mill, 1 yr and he'll likely get a ton of minutes? he won.

A ton of minutes in a terrible league. It'll probably all work out for him in the end (he'll still have the high school hype going into the draft) but he probably could of got similar money in a better league with real coaching.

i doubt that. not in a better league without any extra attachments. good euro teams really aren't that desperate. he wouldn't play either. other euro teams that probably aren't even good want extra attachments (multi yr with buyouts) or don't have the money to toss around on a 1 yr rental. otoh, chinese teams ARE desperate and will pay good money for whatever they can get. there was no perfect situation for him but he did get good money, a 1 yr deal with no additional attachments and he'll get minutes.

Jennings got 1.65 million 1 year deal from Lottomatica and a 2 million dollar endorsement deal from Under Armour. There are plenty of desperate teams in Europe that would of taken a shot on him for 1 year just for the exposure or for a chance at making a euro league run if they thought he was good enough to push them over the top.

I'm not saying China's a horrible choice I just think he could of done better for his career. If he flops there he might be in serious trouble.

[ManualRam]

A ton of minutes in a terrible league. It'll probably all work out for him in the end (he'll still have the high school hype going into the draft) but he probably could of got similar money in a better league with real coaching.

i doubt that. not in a better league without any extra attachments. good euro teams really aren't that desperate. he wouldn't play either. other euro teams that probably aren't even good want extra attachments (multi yr with buyouts) or don't have the money to toss around on a 1 yr rental. otoh, chinese teams ARE desperate and will pay good money for whatever they can get. there was no perfect situation for him but he did get good money, a 1 yr deal with no additional attachments and he'll get minutes.

Jennings got 1.65 million 1 year deal from Lottomatica and a 2 million dollar endorsement deal from Under Armour. There are plenty of desperate teams in Europe that would of taken a shot on him for 1 year just for the exposure or for a chance at making a euro league run if they thought he was good enough to push them over the top.

I'm not saying China's a horrible choice I just think he could of done better for his career. If he flops there he might be in serious trouble.

the money and demand is not there from euro teams. not anymore. jennings was a bad investment. i think if they were to do that over again they would not have.
you wanna talk about endorsements, well mudiay just opened himself up to a windfall of endorsements in china.

edit: the "exposure" element is overrated. the shiny new toy aspect wears off really quick if the player does not hit the ground running.
and no euro team will ever count on a 17-18 y/o hs kid with no experience >than HS and AAU to push them over the top.

[Nolan]

the money and demand is not there from euro teams. not anymore. jennings was a bad investment. i think if they were to do that over again they would not have.
you wanna talk about endorsements, well mudiay just opened himself up to a windfall of endorsements in china.

edit: the "exposure" element is overrated. the shiny new toy aspect wears off really quick if the player does not hit the ground running.
and no euro team will ever count on a 17-18 y/o hs kid with no experience >than HS and AAU to push them over the top.

Mudiay's the first high profile player since Jennings to try this route so it's impossible to say that no European would be interested again. And even if the money isn't quite up to par you can't deny the difference in the level of competition. Playing in China's bascially going to equal playing another year of AAU ball.

[ManualRam]

the money and demand is not there from euro teams. not anymore. jennings was a bad investment. i think if they were to do that over again they would not have.
you wanna talk about endorsements, well mudiay just opened himself up to a windfall of endorsements in china.

edit: the "exposure" element is overrated. the shiny new toy aspect wears off really quick if the player does not hit the ground running.
and no euro team will ever count on a 17-18 y/o hs kid with no experience >than HS and AAU to push them over the top.

Mudiay's the first high profile player since Jennings to try this route so it's impossible to say that no European would be interested again. And even if the money isn't quite up to par you can't deny the difference in the level of competition. Playing in China's bascially going to equal playing another year of AAU ball.

there is a difference in level of competition, but would he play much on a good euro team, one that can actually afford to give out money to simply rent a player? i'd say no. and why would a good euro team want to rent a player for a mill to be in that situation? for buyout purposes? how often do you hear of prospects overseas signing 1 yr deals on good euro teams? never. kids are seen as long term investments either for basketball purposes or to cash in on them eventually.
is there a difference b/t the level of play in low euro or 2nd division level and china? yes, but it isn't humongous and china pays more money.

[Nolan]

there is a difference in level of competition, but would he play much on a good euro team, one that can actually afford to give out money to simply rent a player? i'd say no. and why would a good euro team want to rent a player for a mill to be in that situation? for buyout purposes? how often do you hear of prospects overseas signing 1 yr deals on good euro teams? never. kids are seen as long term investments either for basketball purposes or to cash in on them eventually.
is there a difference b/t the level of play in low euro or 2nd division level and china? yes, but it isn't humongous and china pays more money.

Well European clubs usually don't sign players to one year deals, they sign players to multi year deals with buyouts to cover their asses. But guys like Dragic, Motiejunas, Pekovic (he was at Panathinaikos for 2 years) and Davis Bertans who'll likely be with the Spurs next year all signed big deals with bigger clubs after they were drafted then went to NBA soon after.

And the gap in play is pretty massive. Tiny Gallon averaged 38 and 16 in China last year. There are some decent American players there but the gap between them and the Chinese players that fill out the rest of the roster is huge.

[Ayt]

there is a difference in level of competition, but would he play much on a good euro team, one that can actually afford to give out money to simply rent a player? i'd say no. and why would a good euro team want to rent a player for a mill to be in that situation? for buyout purposes? how often do you hear of prospects overseas signing 1 yr deals on good euro teams? never. kids are seen as long term investments either for basketball purposes or to cash in on them eventually.
is there a difference b/t the level of play in low euro or 2nd division level and china? yes, but it isn't humongous and china pays more money.

Well European clubs usually don't sign players to one year deals, they sign players to multi year deals with buyouts to cover their asses. But guys like Dragic, Motiejunas, Pekovic (he was at Panathinaikos for 2 years) and Davis Bertans who'll likely be with the Spurs next year all signed big deals with bigger clubs after they were drafted then went to NBA soon after.

And the gap in play is pretty massive. Tiny Gallon averaged 38 and 16 in China last year. There are some decent American players there but the gap between them and the Chinese players that fill out the rest of the roster is huge.

Gallon was playing in the 2nd tier in China.

[ManualRam]

there is a difference in level of competition, but would he play much on a good euro team, one that can actually afford to give out money to simply rent a player? i'd say no. and why would a good euro team want to rent a player for a mill to be in that situation? for buyout purposes? how often do you hear of prospects overseas signing 1 yr deals on good euro teams? never. kids are seen as long term investments either for basketball purposes or to cash in on them eventually.
is there a difference b/t the level of play in low euro or 2nd division level and china? yes, but it isn't humongous and china pays more money.

Well European clubs usually don't sign players to one year deals, they sign players to multi year deals with buyouts to cover their asses. But guys like Dragic, Motiejunas, Pekovic (he was at Panathinaikos for 2 years) and Davis Bertans who'll likely be with the Spurs next year all signed big deals with bigger clubs after they were drafted then went to NBA soon after.

And the gap in play is pretty massive. Tiny Gallon averaged 38 and 16 in China last year. There are some decent American players there but the gap between them and the Chinese players that fill out the rest of the roster is huge.

exactly. mudiay has no interest in signing anything longer than a 1 yr deal. he's not a long term investment. he is a 1 yr rental. that's all. he's not gonna get that type of deal in europe, definitely not with a good team. maybe a much weaker league or lower division, but of those teams how many are willing to fork over 1mill for a teenage rental?
again, good teams would not play mudiay. players earn their minutes and seniority/experience matters on teams who have money to spend. where he MIGHT play are on the lesser teams in weaker leagues or 2nd divisions, where they don't have the money and the quality of play sucks too.

[NO-KG-AI]

I'd have to question how much better 1 year of college really makes a player anyway. One and done guys aren't being developed, they are having their weaknesses covered, and their strengths accentuated so coaches can squeeze the most wins out of them immediately.

[Nolan]

exactly. mudiay has no interest in signing anything longer than a 1 yr deal. he's not a long term investment. he is a 1 yr rental. that's all. he's not gonna get that type of deal in europe, definitely not with a good team. maybe a much weaker league or lower division, but of those teams how many are willing to fork over 1mill for a teenage rental?
again, good teams would not play mudiay. players earn their minutes and seniority/experience matters on teams who have money to spend. where he MIGHT play are on the lesser teams in weaker leagues or 2nd divisions, where they don't have the money and the quality of play sucks too.

And Jennings deal was a 3 year deal as well and we all knew there was way he was staying for threes. That what buyouts are for and that's why a team would be willing to take a one year flyer on kid.

[ManualRam]

exactly. mudiay has no interest in signing anything longer than a 1 yr deal. he's not a long term investment. he is a 1 yr rental. that's all. he's not gonna get that type of deal in europe, definitely not with a good team. maybe a much weaker league or lower division, but of those teams how many are willing to fork over 1mill for a teenage rental?
again, good teams would not play mudiay. players earn their minutes and seniority/experience matters on teams who have money to spend. where he MIGHT play are on the lesser teams in weaker leagues or 2nd divisions, where they don't have the money and the quality of play sucks too.

And Jennings deal was a 3 year deal as well and we all knew there was way he was staying for threes. That what buyouts are for and that's why a team would be willing to take a one year flyer on kid.

jennings was a bad investment and good teams don't need buyout money. they want LT investments which mudiay is not. even if mudiay were to be acquired by a middling team (say mega vizura who are known for growing and flipping players), that doesn't guarantee him any PT. he'd be in competition with the rest of the young assets that they're trying to develop then flip for buyout money. then you have to factor in the buyout amount too. how much would he eventually have to contribute out of his own pocket? whereas in china, there is no buyout to worry about and he'll likely have carte blanche, while getting a head start with branding and endorsements in the biggest market in the world.