Porzingis v. Bargnani

[DanDanE420]

What are Porzingi's hand size and wingspan measurements compared to Bargnani?

Based on eye test it would seem Porzingis would compare favorably.

[mos_def]

they say his rebounds per is very low which brings up alot of Bargnani comparisons. which in turn scares me

[LApwnd]

but Por. strength includes defense/shot blocking, did Barnani have those attributes when he was being drafted?

[IAmTheBest]

but Por. strength includes defense/shot blocking, did Barnani have those attributes when he was being drafted?

Yes. Bargz is actually a pretty good man defender. He just gets lost on rotations.

This porzingis guy is going to be the next bargnani. I see knicks fans hyping him up but i hope phil isnt stupid.

[UcanUwill]

but Por. strength includes defense/shot blocking, did Barnani have those attributes when he was being drafted?

Andrea averaged 10.9 points, 4.1 rebounds (1.1 O), 0.9 blocks in over 21 minute per game in the Euroleague

PER 36 :

18.5 PTS / 6.97 RBS / 1.53 BLK

Porzingis averaged 11.6 points, 4.1 rebounds (0.9 O), 1.2 blocks in just under 21 minute per game in the Eurocup.

PER 36 :

19.9 PTS / 7.04 RBS / 2.06 BLK

So, as you can see, their stats are incredibly similar, porzingis is a bit better shot blocker. The main difference is that Bargs played in the Euroleague, which is a big bonus to him. Draw your own conclusions.

[jpatrick]

but Por. strength includes defense/shot blocking, did Barnani have those attributes when he was being drafted?

Andrea averaged 10.9 points, 4.1 rebounds (1.1 O), 0.9 blocks in over 21 minute per game in the Euroleague

PER 36 :

18.5 PTS / 6.97 RBS / 1.53 BLK

Porzingis averaged 11.6 points, 4.1 rebounds (0.9 O), 1.2 blocks in just under 21 minute per game in the Eurocup.

PER 36 :

19.9 PTS / 7.04 RBS / 2.06 BLK

So, as you can see, their stats are incredibly similar, porzingis is a bit better shot blocker. The main difference is that Bargs played in the Euroleague, which is a big bonus to him. Draw your own conclusions.

You probably want to compare apples to apples. Porzingis played this year as a 19 year old. When Bargs was 19, he averaged 3 points and 2 rebs in Euroleague.

[BoutPractice]

If you think he's Bargnani as a prospect it's actually flattering.

Love him or hate him, Bargnani is a ridiculously talented basketball player, has been a 20 ppg scorer in the league, and has had seasons as a 40% three point shooter and 88% free throw shooter.

He's always had tremendous ability, his issues have been mental (it reminds me of that famous sig, "don't make me try"...). He also hasn't been helped by that unfair perception that he's a center, where really he should only ever be a forward.

Bargnani is a few tweaks away from being great. If Porzingis has anything close to Bargnani's offensive talent and shooting ability, but better defensive awareness, and crucially, a better attitude, then he will more than justify a top 5 pick. I'm not sold yet that he has those attributes, but if he does, he should be picked very high indeed.

[No-Man]

He is different than Bargs, he is not as talented with the ball in his hands, nor as a shooter, nor as a ballhandler or 1on1 type of guy, but he is better without the ball and doing rotations, he is a different player defensively also, Porzingis is pretty good covering the line and weakside blocking, but he is not a 1on1 defender in the post, because he hasnt Bargs strength or length.
Two different players, the only comparison is that they are white euros that can hit the outside shot while been really big.

[teerfour+40LG]

the only comparison is that they are white euros that can hit the outside shot while been really big.

Neither of them can rebound either.

[Chuck Everett]

And neither will amount to a hill of beans. Bigs that can't rebound need Brook Lopez style production or their practically unplayable. If Porzingis had Koufus nose for the ball on the glass, maybe then he could be something.

[Side beard]

He is different than Bargs, he is not as talented with the ball in his hands, nor as a shooter, nor as a ballhandler or 1on1 type of guy, but he is better without the ball and doing rotations, he is a different player defensively also, Porzingis is pretty good covering the line and weakside blocking, but he is not a 1on1 defender in the post, because he hasnt Bargs strength or length.
Two different players, the only comparison is that they are white euros that can hit the outside shot while been really big.

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[HB2]

they say his rebounds per is very low which brings up alot of Bargnani comparisons. which in turn scares me

He gets 4.8 rebounds in 22 minutes in the Spanish league which is 7.9 per 36, which is more than ok? for a pf playing in a league where they just don't jack up shots like in NBA?

[Barnsey]

I think Porzingis and Bargnani is an accurate comparison, and i don't think that's a good thing for Porzingis.

Bargnani scored 20ppg once yes, but he did so inefficiently with very little impact in other areas of the game, he made his teammates worse, and Toronto didn't win ****.

Porzingis is just as much of a poor passer and rebounder, but Bargnani was probably more explosive at the same age and had a wider frame to build strength into.

Porzingis projects as a career back PF imo. I wouldn't touch him in the lottery.

[UcanUwill]

I think Porzingis and Bargnani is an accurate comparison, and i don't think that's a good thing for Porzingis.

Bargnani scored 20ppg once yes, but he did so inefficiently with very little impact in other areas of the game, he made his teammates worse, and Toronto didn't win.

well duh. No one is comparing him to Bargs as its a good thing.

[Barnsey]

Yes they are...

If you think he's Bargnani as a prospect it's actually flattering.

Read before you post.

[BoutPractice]

And I'll stand by it. If a prospect was as tall and skilled as Bargnani, but actually had some heart, work ethic, professionalism etc. he would have the potential to become a great player.

People are rightly focused on how Porzingis's flaws might compare to Bargnani's. But Bargnani also has real qualities (which tend to get overlooked because he's a bit of a joke here), that you shouldn't take for granted that Porzingis will display in the NBA. Bargnani actually got on the court a lot, and produced enough that some people wanted to keep him there, which again, you shouldn't take for granted is what will happen to Porzingis.

Bargnani is not the best, but it's not the worst thing you can be if you're a tall, mobile, skilled Euro either. You can be Tskitishvili too... out of the league in three years. Or Maciej Lampe.

The graveyard for the "next DIrks" is one of the biggest in the NBA. It's right next to the graveyard for the "next KGs" (congrats, Anthony Davis. You finally broke the curse! And maybe Chris Bosh, you got close enough)

(Full disclosure: I have a Bargnani jersey from way back, so I do have an incentive to defend him somewhat )

[UcanUwill]

I will agree that a differently wired Bargnani is a really good prospect. Bargnani is a bust however, guy is more of the bust than a lot of people realize, so when one compares to bust, its a negative sentiment. I believe this whole thread was created with a grain of salt, not sugar. So, it goes without saying that the comparison is not a good thing...

Anyway, speaking about Bargnani, he underperformed for sure. The reason why he failed wasn't the lack of talent or athleticism or even physical tools. It was his demeanor, lack of focus, phlegmatic temperament, bad attitude and lack of desire to get better.
Bargs made a few comments over the years that shows his mindset towards self improvement. Instead of roasting himself for being bad on defense or on boards, he made comments like - I do more complicated things than defense and rebounding. Guy didn't attempted to improved on his weaknesses. I mean, guy didn't even care to pretend that he does. Guy just doesn't get it. How one comes clean from saying such a thing? Bargnani needed a reality check, but he never got one. The GM who drafted him was as delusional as Bargnani himself, thinking Bargnani is some kind of star.Andrea already thought he was some kind of bigshot, while in reality, he wasn't even a good scorer, he was below average this whole career. And you can see the results, guy didn't improved on anything over the years. Name one aspect of the game that he improved in almost 10 years? Nada.
Bargnani's rebounding and defense is another conversation entirely. I don't think he is actually lazy on the court, since no player can be this lazy and get a way with it. Guy just lacks focus and is just too phlegmatic to get rebounds. Some people just has that slow reaction time and are meek in a bad way. They usually are not athletes.. Bargs is and its a huge contrast.
Defense is the similar problem. It seems like sometimes Bargs lacks comprehention on D. The funniest GIF is where guard blows by a guy and is nearing to the basket, where Bargs is, and instead of contesting, bargs stops in the middle of the play, and starts pointing finger at his teammate (JR), saying - you get him, what are you doing? It's fascinating, complete lack of understanding of what is happening and what his duties are.

So yeah, sorry for this Bargnani rant, just saying. Bargnani, big talent, not an athlete mindset and personality. If Porzingis is Bargnani with a different head, he might not be bad.
When it comes to rebounding and Euros, rebounding rate usually increases when the Euro hits NBA. Bargnani is one of those rarer cases where his rebounding rate just got worse. So, Porzingis might not be a terrible defender, especially if he keeps improving.

[coutournant]

Porzingis was an outstanding rebounder at euro u18 in 2013. He struggles versus professionals because of his lack of strength but he will improve with time and age.
Gobert was a poor rebounder in French Pro A because of lack of strength, but he was dominating in youth competitions. He's now one of the best in the NBAagainst world level athletes because he is stronger under the rim

[mos_def]

Porzingis was an outstanding rebounder at euro u18 in 2013. He struggles versus professionals because of his lack of strength but he will improve with time and age.
Gobert was a poor rebounder in French Pro A because of lack of strength, but he was dominating in youth competitions. He's now one of the best in the NBAagainst world level athletes because he is stronger under the rim

You know he is going to the league of professionals were everyone is probably stronger

[No-Man]

Come now, okay, Porzingis does dribble and go in, but have you seen Bargs feet and moves? he can dribble like a guard, and he is bigger than Kristaps.
Porzingis is a different prospect than Bargnani.