Jalen Green - next elite prospect

Big J · Post #321 » by **Big J** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:59 am

clyde21 wrote:
Big J wrote:Guys, this is why I was so high on this kid pre draft. I tried telling y'all, but nobody was listening. Dude's ceiling is absolutely nuts due to his athletic gifts. If this is what he's doing at the end of his rook year the league needs to absoultey look the hell out.

literally everyone had him as a top 5 pick, most had him top3...wtf are u talking about?

I had him at 1 brother, and he’s looking like it.

azcatz11 · Post #322 » by **azcatz11** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:34 am

Big J - the ultimate attention whore. Why don't you post on the GB? I seriously miss posters like Fischella and others who actually had takes vs. straight trolls

clyde21 · Post #323 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:39 am

azcatz11 wrote:Big J - the ultimate attention whore. Why don't you post on the GB? I seriously miss posters like Fischella and others who actually had takes vs. straight trolls

Fisch got a job with the Rockets I believe ironically

Big J · Post #324 » by **Big J** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:51 am

azcatz11 wrote:Big J - the ultimate attention whore. Why don't you post on the GB? I seriously miss posters like Fischella and others who actually had takes vs. straight trolls

You should be embarrassed man.

tmorgan · Post #325 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:47 am

Everybody liked Jalen Green. Like, everybody. C’mon man.

Now the people who labeled him a bust in January, you can go laugh at them.

EMG518 · Post #326 » by **EMG518** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:54 am

clyde21 wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:Big J - the ultimate attention whore. Why don't you post on the GB? I seriously miss posters like Fischella and others who actually had takes vs. straight trolls

Fisch got a job with the Rockets I believe ironically

I hope for their sake it had nothing to do with scouting.

I have had plenty of misses, you can't not have them but man some of his takes were just bad. I remember him arguing Schroeder was a better athlete than Ja.

clyde21 · Post #327 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:16 pm

EMG518 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:Big J - the ultimate attention whore. Why don't you post on the GB? I seriously miss posters like Fischella and others who actually had takes vs. straight trolls

Fisch got a job with the Rockets I believe ironically

I hope for their sake it had nothing to do with scouting.

I have had plenty of misses, you can't not have them but man some of his takes were just bad. I remember him arguing Schroeder was a better athlete than Ja.

he's had good and bad takes just like any of us

GSWFan1994 · Post #328 » by **GSWFan1994** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:08 pm

Man, those last few Big J posts were something else, no? Jeez... if you do "X" against him, it's stalking, but if he does the same thing towards you, it's trash-talking. Then comes the passive/aggressive posts. Then the "told you so" ones. Come on, people here are not idiots, they don't have that short of a memory. They remember.

As for Green, I was not so high on him since the draft... obviously he's a very talented scorer, but I still want to see more from him in the other aspects of the game, like defense, rebounding, playmaking and so on.

He has improved as the season went on, but so did many other guys. I still have Cade, Barnes and Mobley ahead of him, career projection-wise. That's not a knock on Green, it's just how much I like those other 3 guys.

eminence · Post #329 » by **eminence** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:26 pm

Where would folks have him going in a re-draft?

I can’t see higher than 4 (Cade/Mobley/Barnes) and think I could see as low as 7 (Giddey/Kuminga/Wagner).

K_chile22 · Post #330 » by **K_chile22** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:30 pm

eminence wrote:Where would folks have him going in a re-draft?

I can’t see higher than 4 (Cade/Mobley/Barnes) and think I could see as low as 7 (Giddey/Kuminga/Wagner).

I would have him pretty clearly ahead of that second group and in the same tier as Barnes

Cade/Mobley tier 1
Barnes/Green tier 2
Wagner Tier 3
Giddey/Kuminga Tier 4

EDIT: forgot about Suggs but he'd probably be tier 3

Roger Murdock · Post #331 » by **Roger Murdock** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:43 pm

eminence wrote:Where would folks have him going in a re-draft?

I can’t see higher than 4 (Cade/Mobley/Barnes) and think I could see as low as 7 (Giddey/Kuminga/Wagner).

I think Houston and Detroit being terrible and getting high picks in a draft loaded with bigs is advantageous for them.

Green + Smith/Chet/Jabari seems better than Mobley + Ivey from a synergy standpoint

I think Mobley and Green will ultimately have the best careers but think the top 4 players went to the best fit for them. I think draft changes at 5 where Suggs drops a to 8-15 range

Big J · Post #332 » by **Big J** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:47 pm

I'm still taking him 1. The rules are stacked in favor of guys who can shoot, score & draw fouls. Especially dudes who are ridiculous athletes like Green is. Game on the line I know he's shaking his man, rising over the top and getting whatever shot he wants. Cade/Barnes can be shut down in 1on1 situations so they are more at the mercy of their teammates making shots when they pass it off. Mobley is neutered on O due to being at the mercy of someone else getting him the ball.

EMG518 · Post #333 » by **EMG518** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:59 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:
eminence wrote:Where would folks have him going in a re-draft?

I can’t see higher than 4 (Cade/Mobley/Barnes) and think I could see as low as 7 (Giddey/Kuminga/Wagner).

I think Houston and Detroit being terrible and getting high picks in a draft loaded with bigs is advantageous for them.

Green + Smith/Chet/Jabari seems better than Mobley + Ivey from a synergy standpoint

I think Mobley and Green will ultimately have the best careers but think the top 4 players went to the best fit for them. I think draft changes at 5 where Suggs drops a to 8-15 range

I think that is more of a statement about Ivey and Mobley more than anything else when you think about it. They are both a bit limited right now on offense.

Yeah it worked out well for Detroit and Houston if they end up with a top pick this year to pair with either Cade or Green but hypothetically speaking had one of them taken Mobley, maybe if Shaedon Sharpe is legit that could be a really nice pairing as well.

EMG518 · Post #334 » by **EMG518** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:03 pm

clyde21 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Fisch got a job with the Rockets I believe ironically

I hope for their sake it had nothing to do with scouting.

I have had plenty of misses, you can't not have them but man some of his takes were just bad. I remember him arguing Schroeder was a better athlete than Ja.

he's had good and bad takes just like any of us

100%, I have had really bad takes, they have gotten better with time but have had really bad ones. How do you misjudge athleticism though that badly is beyond me. It's not even really the game he is looking at in the scenario, and Ja is like a top percentile guy as well.

eminence · Post #335 » by **eminence** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:06 pm

I think in very very rare situations can you afford to draft like that. Jabari wasn’t in serious top of the lotto discussions going into the season, you could’ve easily said, I’ll draft Mobley to pair with Hardy and look where he’s wound up.

clyde21 · Post #336 » by **clyde21** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:08 pm

eminence wrote:Where would folks have him going in a re-draft?

I can’t see higher than 4 (Cade/Mobley/Barnes) and think I could see as low as 7 (Giddey/Kuminga/Wagner).

i had Mobley and Cade #1 and #2 and that hasn't changed

then it was Green/Suggs in T2, then T2 was guys like Minda, Wagner, Barnes, Springer, Johnson, Moody.

don't think much changed for me, maybe Barnes to T2.

GSWFan1994 · Post #337 » by **GSWFan1994** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 9:14 pm

Speaking of Jalen Johnson...

11 games in the G-League
21/11/4 + 0,9 steals / 1,5 blocks
47/30/57 (yep, not looking good)

I think he turns into a rotation player for Atlanta next season, once they clean up their roster a bit.

K_chile22 · Post #338 » by **K_chile22** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 9:32 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Speaking of Jalen Johnson...

11 games in the G-League
21/11/4 + 0,9 steals / 1,5 blocks
47/30/57 (yep, not looking good)

I think he turns into a rotation player for Atlanta next season, once they clean up their roster a bit.

Think the G League was a bit dysfunctional this year with all the extra call ups bc covid, no deadline for two ways or limit on number of days two way guys could be with the nba team so it's really hard to evaluate guys who were down there. For example Daishen Nix put up 22.5/7.6/6.2 with 2.3 steals while shooting 52.5 % on twos, 39.7% on 3s and 60% TS at 19 years old and I'm not sure he'll have an nba career. Really have no idea what to do with guys putting up numbers this year even more than usual, which makes looking at ignite guys very very hard in particular

Upperclass · Post #339 » by **Upperclass** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 10:02 pm

He could be Zach Lavine, or JR Smith.. His on-court IQ isnt the best and he seems to go 100mph every play. How much of that is the Rockets just rolling out the ball.. who knows.. but scoring-wise he has the ability to just crush teams by himself

Big J · Post #340 » by **Big J** » Mon Apr 4, 2022 10:58 pm

Upperclass wrote:He's could be Zach Lavine, or JR Smith.. His on-court IQ isnt the best and he seems to go 100mph every play. How much of that is the Rockets just rolling out the ball.. who knows.. but scoring-wise he has the ability to just crush teams by himself

He's only averaging 2 TO's per game bro. That ain't bad.