Cade Cunningham

[GreatWhiteStiff]

My Hedo Turkoglu comp is looking spot on right now. Laissez faire attitude, good not great, expression never changes, needs to be a teams beta. Turk was actually clutch as **** though. We've yet to see if Cade is that.

Like a high turnover Hedo Turkoglu? Hedo was a only really 10-14 ppg, 3-4 ast per game guy for most of his career. It'd be curious to see what Cade would do in such an auxillary role with better players around him.

[EvanZ]

He should embrace trying to become Klay Thompson


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[WargamesX]

Cade is basically Evan Turner with a 3. I don’t think he is a lead ball handler long term.


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Evan turner with a 3 is a drastically different player though. Shooting 3's was the major weakness to his game

[EvanZ]

Cade is basically Evan Turner with a 3. I don’t think he is a lead ball handler long term.


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Evan turner with a 3 is a drastically different player though. Shooting 3's was the major weakness to his game

Um, exactly. That was my point.

[WargamesX]

Cade is basically Evan Turner with a 3. I don’t think he is a lead ball handler long term.


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Evan turner with a 3 is a drastically different player though. Shooting 3's was the major weakness to his game

Um, exactly. That was my point.

No I meant at the point you give Evan Turner a 3 pt shot you might as well use somebody else because him not being able to shoot kind of went hand in hand with him as a player.

I like the short Hedo comparison, though Hedo being so much taller than his defender is why a decent amount of those bad shots went in and he could see over his defender to make those crazy passes.

[EvanZ]

You say I can't use "Evan Turner with a 3" but then you turn around and give us "Short Hedo" LMAO

[WargamesX]

You say I can't use "Evan Turner with a 3" but then you turn around and give us "Short Hedo" LMAO

It’s not the adding it’s saying that arguably their biggest weakness was a strength and then imagine them playing. So for Hedo If I would have said a Hedo that played Defense, was healthy, and was motivated to win. Then I wouldn’t be imagining Hedo anymore. None of that was Hedo’s game.

Vice versa if you said a better ball handling Evan Turner I could see it or a better defender Evan. Evan was such a non shooter there has to be a better comp for that type of game.

Idk why we’re debating this in a Cade thread but it is what it is I guess.

[EvanZ]

You say I can't use "Evan Turner with a 3" but then you turn around and give us "Short Hedo" LMAO

Vice versa if you said a better ball handling Evan Turner I could see it or a better defender Evan. Evan was such a non shooter there has to be a better comp for that type of game.

Sadly, Cade may not even be a much better shooter if this continues. I mean right now he's at 31% for his career on 510 3PA which is not really that small a sample.

[Time for Change]

You say I can't use "Evan Turner with a 3" but then you turn around and give us "Short Hedo" LMAO

Vice versa if you said a better ball handling Evan Turner I could see it or a better defender Evan. Evan was such a non shooter there has to be a better comp for that type of game.

Sadly, Cade may not even be a much better shooter if this continues. I mean right now he's at 31% for his career on 510 3PA which is not really that small a sample.

Evan Turner shot 31.5% from 3 over his first three and a half years with Philly. Cade is currently at 31.4% for his career, with less games played but more attempts.

[CptCrunch]

Cade is also shooting 32% on open 3's. His shot hasn't translated. You need to be about 38% to be at league average offensive efficiency.

The more possessions Cade takes, the more the Pistons are hurt, on an average basis right now

[buzzkilloton]

Cade in essentially in his 2nd season due to missing year two with injury. Took him awhile to get back on point after having to take it easy after a surgery.

Collection of numbers from some great Pistons fans on the Detroit board:

LAST 23 GAMES

23.8 PPG
7.7 APG
4.4 RPG

.824 FT%
.506 FG%
.419 3P%(4.6 attempts per game)
3.0 TO

The only players this year averaging 22+ PPG 7+ APG and 4+ RPG this season (min 25 games played)

LeBron 25.0 , 7.2 , 7.9
Jokic 26.1 , 9.3 , 12.3
Luka 34.5, 9.6, 8.8
Cade 22.5 , 7.4 , 4.2

Numbers of age 22 Cade lining up real close to Booker at the same point. Mind you Booker was in his 4th season while Cade is in his 3rd(missed all of season two though)

Cade, 48 games into his 22 year old season

22.5 ppg, 18.4 fga, .458 fg%, 5.3 3pa, .361 3p%, 3.8 ftm, 4.2 rpg, 7.4 apg, 3.6 tov, 0.9 spg, 0.4 bpg

DBook, 48 games into his 22 year old season

24.6 ppg, 18.8 fga, .455 fg%, 6.4 3pa, .324 3p%, 5.4 ftm, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 4.0 tov, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

[Colbinii]

Cade in essentially in his 2nd season due to missing year two with injury. Took him awhile to get back on point after having to take it easy after a surgery.

Collection of numbers from some great Pistons fans on the Detroit board:

LAST 23 GAMES

23.8 PPG
7.7 APG
4.4 RPG

.824 FT%
.506 FG%
.419 3P%(4.6 attempts per game)
3.0 TO

The only players this year averaging 22+ PPG 7+ APG and 4+ RPG this season (min 25 games played)

LeBron 25.0 , 7.2 , 7.9
Jokic 26.1 , 9.3 , 12.3
Luka 34.5, 9.6, 8.8
Cade 22.5 , 7.4 , 4.2

Numbers of age 22 Cade lining up real close to Booker at the same point. Mind you Booker was in his 4th season while Cade is in his 3rd(missed all of season two though)

Cade, 48 games into his 22 year old season

22.5 ppg, 18.4 fga, .458 fg%, 5.3 3pa, .361 3p%, 3.8 ftm, 4.2 rpg, 7.4 apg, 3.6 tov, 0.9 spg, 0.4 bpg

DBook, 48 games into his 22 year old season

24.6 ppg, 18.8 fga, .455 fg%, 6.4 3pa, .324 3p%, 5.4 ftm, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 4.0 tov, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

Keep in mind the difference in efficiency. Booker had +71.8 TS+ while Cade is at -54.9 TS+, and this is mostly due to the massive gap in FTR [36% for Booker, 23% for Cade], even as Booker had a career-low 32% from 3 in 2019 he was still far more efficient than the average NBA player while Cade is less efficient.

Nonetheless, the comparison is still apt and there is no reason Cade's higher-end outcome can't be something like a low-end All-NBA player.

[buzzkilloton]

Cade in\g

Keep in mind the difference in efficiency. Booker had +71.8 TS+ while Cade is at -54.9 TS+, and this is mostly due to the massive gap in FTR [36% for Booker, 23% for Cade], even as Booker had a career-low 32% from 3 in 2019 he was still far more efficient than the average NBA player while Cade is less efficient.

Nonetheless, the comparison is still apt and there is no reason Cade's higher-end outcome can't be something like a low-end All-NBA player.

Yeah thats for sure one of Cades weaknesses getting to the line. He will get better at it as he gets more experience and becomes craftier. I know alot of fans say this about their star players but he also doesnt get favorable whistles. Obv that comes with the territory of being on the worst team ITL and not yet being a proven star.

That said he may not get to line like Booker does but he will be a better playmaker then Booker. Also have to keep in mind Cade didnt really have a season two and hasnt been 100% most of the season after the injury. So while Booker was a younger player he still had a full seasons+ on Cade at this time.

Cade is leveling up right now. If he stays healthy the ceiling is surely a top 10 player ITL.

[Mr Peanut]

Cade in essentially in his 2nd season due to missing year two with injury. Took him awhile to get back on point after having to take it easy after a surgery.

Collection of numbers from some great Pistons fans on the Detroit board:

LAST 23 GAMES

23.8 PPG
7.7 APG
4.4 RPG

.824 FT%
.506 FG%
.419 3P%(4.6 attempts per game)
3.0 TO

The only players this year averaging 22+ PPG 7+ APG and 4+ RPG this season (min 25 games played)

LeBron 25.0 , 7.2 , 7.9
Jokic 26.1 , 9.3 , 12.3
Luka 34.5, 9.6, 8.8
Cade 22.5 , 7.4 , 4.2

Numbers of age 22 Cade lining up real close to Booker at the same point. Mind you Booker was in his 4th season while Cade is in his 3rd(missed all of season two though)

Cade, 48 games into his 22 year old season

22.5 ppg, 18.4 fga, .458 fg%, 5.3 3pa, .361 3p%, 3.8 ftm, 4.2 rpg, 7.4 apg, 3.6 tov, 0.9 spg, 0.4 bpg

DBook, 48 games into his 22 year old season

24.6 ppg, 18.8 fga, .455 fg%, 6.4 3pa, .324 3p%, 5.4 ftm, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg, 4.0 tov, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

It's almost as if we shouldn't make sweeping judgements on someone's career potential based on less than 100 career games.

[buzzkilloton]

Cade is the prince that was promised.

“You look at what Cade is doing right now — he’s one of the hottest players in the second half of the season,” Mavericks coach Jason Kidd said Saturday before Dallas’ 142-124 victory over the Pistons, a game in which Cunningham scored 33 points, dished out 10 assists and grabbed nine rebounds. “You can see he’s shooting the ball at a high rate, he’s scoring the ball, he’s being aggressive, and you can see he’s comfortable with what he’s trying to get to.”

Since the All-Star break, Cunningham has been playing at an All-NBA level. The 22-year-old is averaging 25.8 points, 7.9 assists and 5.8 rebounds per game while shooting 47.6 percent from 3 on 7.0 attempts per game. In those nine games, Cunningham has a true shooting percentage of 62.5, which ranks fourth among players who have a usage rate of at least 25 percent and also have played nine games in that span. He’s only behind Denver’s Nikola Jokić, Oklahoma City’s Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Dallas’ Luka Dončić.

And while Kidd highlighted Cunningham’s play since the All-Star break, he’s been playing at a high level since the calendar turned to 2024. Over his last 21 games, Cunningham is averaging 21.2 points, 8.0 assists and 4.4 rebounds while shooting 39.8 percent from 3.


https://theathletic.com/5330155/2024/03/11/cade-cunningham-pistons-film-breakdown/

[HadAnEffectHere]

I mean, yes, if Cade can shoot 38%+ on threes on high volume, he can still be a star player.

He just has to show he can do that for a full season. He's at 95 TS+ right now which sucks.

[clyde21]

Lol so many are gonna look like fools when it comes to cade

[buzzkilloton]

I mean, yes, if Cade can shoot 38%+ on threes on high volume, he can still be a star player.

He just has to show he can do that for a full season. He's at 95 TS+ right now which sucks.

He always projected to be a very good shooter. College he was a 40% 3pt shooter at near 6 per and also 84.5% on the line. He obv shot bad his first year with 2nd being inc from 3pter but his FT was still 84.5% and this year hes up to nearly 87%.

You have to keep in mind the team around him is a bad fit and young. Ivey is a really awkward fit as he stinks off ball no 3 or D. Ausar has potential hes a great defender but cant shoot. Monty was starting Killian next to him to begin the season which is a guy Cade has played with alot in his career hes a complete zero on offense.

Also you need to factor in he missed year two with a injury and surgery he was not even practicing for quite awhile. He just had to get healthy and knock off rust and get Killian off the court. Wait until we get actual 3+D players around him thats when we see the final form as he will have spacing to operate.

[buzzkilloton]

Lol so many are gonna look like fools when it comes to cade

A few of them hated on him so much I expect they'll stop posting on their mains and switch to alt accounts.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Cade is the prince that was promised.

“You look at what Cade is doing right now — he’s one of the hottest players in the second half of the season,” Mavericks coach Jason Kidd said Saturday before Dallas’ 142-124 victory over the Pistons, a game in which Cunningham scored 33 points, dished out 10 assists and grabbed nine rebounds. “You can see he’s shooting the ball at a high rate, he’s scoring the ball, he’s being aggressive, and you can see he’s comfortable with what he’s trying to get to.”

Since the All-Star break, Cunningham has been playing at an All-NBA level. The 22-year-old is averaging 25.8 points, 7.9 assists and 5.8 rebounds per game while shooting 47.6 percent from 3 on 7.0 attempts per game. In those nine games, Cunningham has a true shooting percentage of 62.5, which ranks fourth among players who have a usage rate of at least 25 percent and also have played nine games in that span. He’s only behind Denver’s Nikola Jokić, Oklahoma City’s Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Dallas’ Luka Dončić.

And while Kidd highlighted Cunningham’s play since the All-Star break, he’s been playing at a high level since the calendar turned to 2024. Over his last 21 games, Cunningham is averaging 21.2 points, 8.0 assists and 4.4 rebounds while shooting 39.8 percent from 3.


https://theathletic.com/5330155/2024/03/11/cade-cunningham-pistons-film-breakdown/

Cade is 6/31 from three since this post.