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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#81 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:15 pm

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i'll be honest, and of course i'll get flamed for this, but i have him #4 on my board. i feel like he has as much upside as anybody in the draft outside the top three, but i also feel like his floor is higher than nearly every prospect in the draft, including scoot and b miller.

in terms of his floor, you don't dominate grown ass men in the g league at age 19 unless you can play. almost guaranteed at the very least he'll be a rotation frontcourt player in the nba for 10+ years. yet he still has big time upside.

Michael Foster Jr. was also a PF with questionable shooting, high turnovers and put up similar PPG and RPG numbers for the Ignite..


but his numbers weren't similar. this past season he was a year older than miller and put up 13 and 7 on 52% FGs and 22% 3pt.

Miller, again, a year younger went for 18 and 11 on 55% FGs and 32% 3pt. when you factor in the gap in production and the difference in age, there really is no comparison.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#82 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:27 pm

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i'll be honest, and of course i'll get flamed for this, but i have him #4 on my board. i feel like he has as much upside as anybody in the draft outside the top three, but i also feel like his floor is higher than nearly every prospect in the draft, including scoot and b miller.

in terms of his floor, you don't dominate grown ass men in the g league at age 19 unless you can play. almost guaranteed at the very least he'll be a rotation frontcourt player in the nba for 10+ years. yet he still has big time upside.

Michael Foster Jr. was also a PF with questionable shooting, high turnovers and put up similar PPG and RPG numbers for the Ignite..


but his numbers weren't similar. this past season he was a year older than miller and put up 13 and 7 on 52% FGs and 22% 3pt.

Miller, again, a year younger went for 18 and 11 on 55% FGs and 32% 3pt. when you factor in the gap in production and the difference in age, there really is no comparison.

Let's compare apples to apples. Miller on ignite this season. And Foster on Ignite in the 21-22 season. Both seasons they're about the same age and played on the same team.

Foster put up 16 pts, 10 rebs and 1.9 blocks a game. Miller put up 17 pts, 10 rebs and 0.8 blocks per game.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#83 » by City of Trees » Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:22 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Where’s this guy going to end up drafted?


i'll be honest, and of course i'll get flamed for this, but i have him #4 on my board. i feel like he has as much upside as anybody in the draft outside the top three, but i also feel like his floor is higher than nearly every prospect in the draft, including scoot and b miller.

in terms of his floor, you don't dominate grown ass men in the g league at age 19 unless you can play. almost guaranteed at the very least he'll be a rotation frontcourt player in the nba for 10+ years. yet he still has big time upside.


FWIW you aren't the first person I've heard say this
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#84 » by CptCrunch » Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:47 pm

Don't have a solid opinion on him, for being a young player who out up solid stats in g-league, he has almost 0 hype.

L. Miller is what probably a better prospect than those in the OTE.
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Post#85 » by babyjax13 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:18 am

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Hal14 wrote:Michael Foster Jr. was also a PF with questionable shooting, high turnovers and put up similar PPG and RPG numbers for the Ignite..


but his numbers weren't similar. this past season he was a year older than miller and put up 13 and 7 on 52% FGs and 22% 3pt.

Miller, again, a year younger went for 18 and 11 on 55% FGs and 32% 3pt. when you factor in the gap in production and the difference in age, there really is no comparison.

Let's compare apples to apples. Miller on ignite this season. And Foster on Ignite in the 21-22 season. Both seasons they're about the same age and played on the same team.

Foster put up 16 pts, 10 rebs and 1.9 blocks a game. Miller put up 17 pts, 10 rebs and 0.8 blocks per game.

Except Foster didn't put up those stats. That was for the gleague exhibition, which is just part of that year (12 games). He also did it shooting 45/25/81. Miller was just much, much better. During the regular season he averaged 18/11 on 56/33/79 shooting, and during the showcase he averaged 15/9 on 50/29/79 shooting. Even if you say "well, Michael Foster is a better rim protector," he is less efficient, he is not a better rebounder, he is a worse distributor, he has worse feel for the game, and a worse frame.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#86 » by GSWFan1994 » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:37 am

I sense shades of Tari Eason with this player.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#87 » by greg4012 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:37 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:Michael Foster Jr. was also a PF with questionable shooting, high turnovers and put up similar PPG and RPG numbers for the Ignite..


but his numbers weren't similar. this past season he was a year older than miller and put up 13 and 7 on 52% FGs and 22% 3pt.

Miller, again, a year younger went for 18 and 11 on 55% FGs and 32% 3pt. when you factor in the gap in production and the difference in age, there really is no comparison.

Let's compare apples to apples. Miller on ignite this season. And Foster on Ignite in the 21-22 season. Both seasons they're about the same age and played on the same team.

Foster put up 16 pts, 10 rebs and 1.9 blocks a game. Miller put up 17 pts, 10 rebs and 0.8 blocks per game.


The fault in this comparison is the archetype of both players and how they get their numbers.

Foster has an old school post-up iso ball skillset. That doesn't get it done in the NBA unless you're good enough to be a top offensive option that commands the ball at a higher rate (and playmake from the paint). Otherwise, you're just clogging the paint. The stalky PF who wants to live on the lowpost and doesn't have the feet to defend on the perimeter is a dinosaur.

Leonard Miller gets most of his production in 2 ways: low usage rim running--a finisher around the basket--and with flashes of perimeter skill.

When you zoom out from just the numbers and look at projecting tools, there's really not a comparison.

The G League is littered with undersized big men who are slow footed but have good skills to score in the low post. It just rarely fits the modern NBA in a value add way.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#88 » by Klomp » Fri Jul 7, 2023 11:04 pm

What a journey it's been for him! He landed in a great spot for his development too, where they value bigs with versatility.

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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#89 » by ItsDanger » Sat Jul 8, 2023 5:03 pm

Miller was impressive, what value at #33. Should be ready for rotation earlier than people think because he provides rebounding, a little ball handling and passing. No room on the roster though.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#90 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 9, 2023 3:13 pm

Trying to avoid the comp because they're both lefthanded, but he's got a bit of Chris Bosh to his game
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#91 » by Upperclass » Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:15 pm

Probably the most unique and awkward player ive ever seen.. plays like a 6'11 Fultz to a degree but miller can plaaay
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#92 » by Colbinii » Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:24 pm

Klomp wrote:Trying to avoid the comp because they're both lefthanded, but he's got a bit of Chris Bosh to his game


Less fluid but better physical tools Boris Diaw
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#93 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:49 pm

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Klomp wrote:Trying to avoid the comp because they're both lefthanded, but he's got a bit of Chris Bosh to his game


Less fluid but better physical tools Boris Diaw

Not bad, but Boris was never really a rebounder which is one of Miller's biggest strengths.

With his rawness, physical tools, skill set and competitive fire, it wouldn't be surprising if more Minnesotans start throwing out comparisons to a young Garnett to be honest...I know it's lofty, but I've honestly seen a little of that in him.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#94 » by EvanZ » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:30 pm

I don't see Boris Diaw at all. The whole thing with Diaw was how smart he was. Miller doesn't have that elite tier IQ.

He's not the athlete and doesn't have the size of KG either (dude was 7'1" with an insane wingspan and one of the "skinniest strong" guys we've ever seen).
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#95 » by EvanZ » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:31 pm

I probably said it before in this thread but to me he's kind of a hybrid of Jaden McDaniels and Siakam, not necessarily the best of both because obviously that would be like a 99%-ile outcome. But he kind of rebounds and defends a bit like Jaden and has some of the driving ability of Siakam, but probably not to that extent.
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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#96 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:58 pm

EvanZ wrote:I probably said it before in this thread but to me he's kind of a hybrid of Jaden McDaniels and Siakam, not necessarily the best of both because obviously that would be like a 99%-ile outcome. But he kind of rebounds and defends a bit like Jaden and has some of the driving ability of Siakam, but probably not to that extent.

Siakam is a pretty good comp, actually. That might be one of the better ones yet.
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Post#97 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:43 am

Timberwolves deserve credit for putting together this roster. They're pretty stacked and their playoff rotation will be among the best in the league.
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Post#98 » by Colbinii » Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:07 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Timberwolves deserve credit for putting together this roster. They're pretty stacked and their playoff rotation will be among the best in the league.


Yup--this is the year for them [us]. The last season ANT and Jaden are still on rookie deals.
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Post#99 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:36 am

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Re: Leonard Miller 

Post#100 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:24 pm

His defense will need work but early returns suggest a lot of NBA scouts should be fired. What is the excuse for missing someone so obvious? Answer, there is none. Leonard Miller should be at least a top 8 rotation player for many years.
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