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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1681 » by JMAC3 » Wed Mar 20, 2024 1:02 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:There is a reason that the best players in the game are the best scorers. Flat out. If you look at the 50 best scorers, like 40 of them are top 50 players.

While I agree that scoring ability is important, I'd contest that statement. If you define ‘best scorers’ as ‘those players that score the most’ you are getting a bit closer to that statement being true (still very much hyperbole) but that completely misses that the best players tend to get the most minutes and get the more opportunities with the ball in their hands (for which scoring ability is one reason, but certainly not the whole story). So naturally the scoring averages of the best players are going to be relatively higher even if other generally inferior players are better strictly at putting the ball in the basket.


I am talking about when you look at the top 50-100 guys. Majority of those guys are the most talented scorers. Yeah, maybe a guy scores 10-14 ppg simply from being on the court a lot but there really are no 20+ point scorers who aren't good at scoring the ball.

But instead of placing a premium on that because 85% of great players are great scorers, a lot of the time it is met with "Well Jordan Poole/Cam Thomas are great scorers, doesn't mean scoring matters..." Instead of using the information that is 85% accurate we would rather highlight the other 15% of guys to try and disprove its importance. No strategy is full proof, but instead we want to dissect 900 other things.

Example: Brandon Miller, dude averaged 20 ppg in SEC play as freshman and yet the majority of people were trying to figure out why he would fail as a scorer in the NBA instead of just taking the gigantic chance that he was going to be a really good scorer in NBA.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1682 » by JMAC3 » Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:03 pm

Cody Williams doesn't have his own thread?
He has been hurt/bad lately, but would be pretty great if he ended up #1 pick and never had his own lol
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Post#1683 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:30 pm

Other than age what seperates guys like Bona and Missi from N'Faly Dante outside age.

This kid is solid as hell.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1684 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:42 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Other than age what seperates guys like Bona and Missi from N'Faly Dante outside age.

This kid is solid as hell.


I think Missi is taller. I think like Bona, N'Faly Dante's height is exaggerated. He looks 6'9" to me. Missi and Bona being two years younger does suggest more upside. Bona and Missi have more secondary playmaking potential as well imo. As they sit right now I think they're very similar with little to no separation but teams have to project out and my guess is they'll see more potential for Missi and Bona at 25 y/o than they will N'Faly Dante.
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Post#1685 » by EmpireFalls » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:11 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Cody Williams doesn't have his own thread?
He has been hurt/bad lately, but would be pretty great if he ended up #1 pick and never had his own lol

I'm honestly so unimpressed with Williams (and not just recently).

Slow shot, slow decisions, slow screen navigation, poor rebounder, has no 'dog' in him in terms of motor, nothing about his game is above average aside from just being big and being able to dribble and finish a bit.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1686 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:05 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Cody Williams doesn't have his own thread?
He has been hurt/bad lately, but would be pretty great if he ended up #1 pick and never had his own lol

I'm honestly so unimpressed with Williams (and not just recently).

Slow shot, slow decisions, slow screen navigation, poor rebounder, has no 'dog' in him in terms of motor, nothing about his game is above average aside from just being big and being able to dribble and finish a bit.

I was buying the hype until I started watching the games. It's clear this dude is raw and he needs to add weight and get stronger. He lacks explosiveness and he's pretty much a potential guy at this point. I can see why people are high on his potential. He does have a solid handle for his size. But man he plays like a role player and that turns me off for a guy who was once projected to be the #1 pick.

I would be fine if we drafted him, but I think it will take him a few years just to get his body right and develop some strength as a player. He's the true definition of a project. He's got skills but doesn't really know how to use them to his advantage yet
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1687 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:07 pm

Ya I think in a normal draft Cody is a mid teens pick. Kid is basically size, nice movement and a decent handle for his age/size.

Like, not sure if he is a better prospect than say Troy Brown JR who went 15 in 2018.

From 2023 I think only Dick, Howard and Hawkins are guys that I would have to think about taking Cody over. And even then its not clear cut.
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Post#1688 » by Chi town » Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:01 am

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Chi town wrote:Can we talk about Shannon?

Kid is hooping.


As far as fifth year seniors go I'm taking Shannon over McCullar and not even thinking twice about it.


All day. Shannon has that dog in him.
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Post#1689 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:53 am

This is for all the dudes that get their draft news and opinions from frauds like Givony. Frauds like this birthed the narratives about this being a weak draft class a year ago and it gets regurgitated on here for some reason despite these guys being wrong every year. Any chance any of you will learn your lesson? ha ha fat chance. Some particularly laughably takes highlighted. And stick around for who is completely missing :lol: Quite a lot and yet the narrative hasn't changed one bit. Hmmm....

Givony's pre-season Big Board Top 100

1. Ron Holland (G League Ignite)
2. Alex Sarr (NBL)
3. Isaiah Collier (USC)
4. Justin Edwards (Kentucky)
5. Zaccharie Risacher (France)
6. Matas Buzelis (G League Ignite)
7. Donovan Clingan (UConn)
8. Stephon Castle (UConn)
9. Izan Almansa (G League Ignite)
10. Nikola Topic (Serbia)
11. Kyle Filipowski (Duke)
12. Aday Mara (UCLA)
13. Tyrese Proctor (Duke)
14. D.J. Wagner (Kentucky)
15. Kel’el Ware (Indiana)
16. Ja’Kobe Walter (Baylor)
17. Jared McCain (Duke)
18. Tidjane Salaun (France)
19. Baba Miller (Florida State)
20. Cody Williams (Colorado)
21. Bobi Klintman (NBL)
22. Ryan Dunn (Virginia)
23. Elmarko Jackson (Kansas)
24. Juan Nunez (Spain)
25. Trevon Brazile (Arkansas)
26. Terrance Arceneaux (Houston)

27. Dillon Mitchell (Texas)
28. Melvin Ajinca (France)
29. Mark Mitchell (Duke)
30. Oso Ighodaro (Marquette)
31. Rob Dillingham (Kentucky)
32. Adem Bona (UCLA)
33. Reece Beekman (Virginia)
34. Mackenzie Mgbako (Indiana)
35. Ugonna Onyensu (Kentucky)
36. Aaron Bradshaw (Kentucky)
37. Berke Buyuktuncel (UCLA)
38. Xavier Booker (Michigan State)
39. Tristan Da Silva (Colorado)
40. Riley Kugel (Florida)
41. A.J. Johnson (NBL)
42. Tyler Smith (G League Ignite)
43. Terrence Shannon Jr. (Illinois)
44. Ariel Hukporti (NBL)
45. Freddie Dilione (Tennessee)
46. J.J. Starling (Syracuse)
47. Zach Edey (Purdue)
48. Caleb Foster (Duke)
49. Kylan Boswell (Arizona)
50. Pacome Dadiet (France)
51. Babacar Sane (G League Ignite)
52. Ajay Mitchell (UC-Santa Barbara)
53. Zacharie Perrin (France)
54. Judah Mintz (Syracuse)
55. Baylor Scheierman (Creighton)
56. Trey Alexander (Creighton)
57. Ryan Kalkbrenner (Creighton)
58. Omaha Biliew (Iowa State)
59. Kwame Evans (Oregon)
60. Trentyn Flowers (NBL)
61. Milos Uzan (Oklahoma)
62. Andrija Jelavic (Croatia)
63. Maxime Raynaud (Stanford)
64. Yves Missi (Baylor)
65. Nikola Djurisic (Serbia)
66. Alex Karaban (UConn)
67. Tyler Kolek (Marquette)
68. DaRon Holmes (Dayton)
69. Zvonimir Ivisic (Kentucky)
70. Kevin McCullar (Kansas)
71. Mantas Rubstavicius (NBL)
72. Dillon Jones (Weber State)
73. Yannick Kraag (Netherlands)
74. Thierry Darlan (G League Ignite)
75. A.J. Hoggard (Michigan State)
76. Ousmane Ndiaye (Senegal)
77. Miles Kelly (Georgia Tech)
78. NaeQwan Tomlin (Kansas State)
79. Zhuric Phelps (SMU)
80. Aden Holloway (Auburn)
81. Matthew Murrell (Mississippi)
82. Bryce Hopkins (Providence)
83. Alex Toohey (NBL)
84. Malique Lewis (Trinidad & Tobago)
85. Ilias Kamardine (France)
86. Matthew Cleveland (Miami)
87. Kobe Johnson (USC)
88. Dalton Knecht (Tennessee)
89. Will Richard (Florida)
90. Jamal Shead (Houston)
91. London Johnson (G League Ignite)
92. Lachlan Olbrich (NBL)
93. Harrison Ingram (North Carolina)
94. Coleman Hawkins (Illinois)
95. Hakim Hart (Villanova)
96. Olivier Nkamhoua (Michigan)
97. Tucker DeVries (Drake)
98. Davonte Davis (Arkansas)
99. Spencer Jones (Stanford)
100. Damari Monsanto (Wake Forest)

*missing :lol:

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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1690 » by zike_42 » Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:39 am

Every draft time I randomly check if there will be a senior drafted in the top ten. The last senior was Buddy Hield in 2016, and only one of two seniors in the last ten years (Frank Kaminsky, 2015). Can Dalton Knecht break the drought? Or anyone else?
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Post#1691 » by eminence » Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:18 am

Knecht at 88 prior to this season was not even close to a 'laughable take', lol.
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Post#1692 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:49 pm

zike_42 wrote:Every draft time I randomly check if there will be a senior drafted in the top ten. The last senior was Buddy Hield in 2016, and only one of two seniors in the last ten years (Frank Kaminsky, 2015). Can Dalton Knecht break the drought? Or anyone else?


I think its pretty likely. This draft is a stinker at the top and Dalton has some very projectable offensive talent. His polish as a 3 level scorer is rare even at his age IMO.

I think it could be more of Top-12 or simple lotto - but he has a good chance for Top-10.

I like his fit in OKC as their 6th man off the bench. They have some really nice bench role players but they are more specialist (3,D or 3/D) and could use a true 6th man that can scorer from all 3 levels.
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Post#1693 » by FarBeyondDriven » Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:11 pm

eminence wrote:Knecht at 88 prior to this season was not even close to a 'laughable take', lol.


except it was lol. Knecht was coming off of a season putting up 20-7-2 shooting 38% 3 pt and leading the Big Sky conference in scoring. He was courted by pretty much every big program when he entered the transfer portal. Going to Tennessee was a huge get for them. In the pre-season, before this Big Board, Knecht had already established himself as their best player and had huge games against Wisconsin, Michigan State and others. Any supposed draft expert should not have had Knecht 88 overall this point. Imagine defending Givony :lol:
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Post#1694 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:50 am

not sure if I mentioned this already but an NBA draft YT mentioned a few guys to pay attention to in the tournament, guys nobody has heard of (admittedly me too) and he mentioned Tyon Cade-Foster from Grand Canyon. 6'7" wing with good length and athleticism. Lost time due to heart issues and COVID so he's older. Anyway, he just led his team to victory over a #5 seed. It was my first time watching him play and while he was trying to do too much at times and had some bad turnovers he certainly has the killer instinct and physical profile to potentially play in the league.

Speaking of killer instinct, Cody Williams just floated through that Florida game like he's done all season. There are stretches through multiple possessions where he doesn't even touch the ball and isn't part of the action. He just stands in the corner. I know he was injured but he lacked that dog in him dating back to high school. He's just too passive. I'm willing to wait until the combine to see if he can get over these injuries and show more in a more pro-style offense but man, he might not even be a first rounder at this point. He's in the same tier as Edwards and Mgbako for me in that 25-40 range.
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Post#1695 » by The-Power » Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:07 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
eminence wrote:Knecht at 88 prior to this season was not even close to a 'laughable take', lol.


except it was lol.

And yet you didn't even mention Knecht once before November 18, 2023 (saying he could potentially ‘sneak into the first round’). Once again proving that your only play is to come after people with the benefit of hindsight while having no track record yourself.
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Post#1696 » by BlazersBroncos » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:28 pm

not sure if I mentioned this already but an NBA draft YT mentioned a few guys to pay attention to in the tournament, guys nobody has heard of (admittedly me too) and he mentioned Tyon Cade-Foster from Grand Canyon. 6'7" wing with good length and athleticism. Lost time due to heart issues and COVID so he's older. Anyway, he just led his team to victory over a #5 seed. It was my first time watching him play and while he was trying to do too much at times and had some bad turnovers he certainly has the killer instinct and physical profile to potentially play in the league.


He is absolutley a NBA caliber athlete but that shot is still quite broke at age 24. Think he would be a unbelievable cinderella story if he makes it and I fully hope he does but I am not betting on it.

I could see a team taking him in the 50-60 range but think he is likely a 2-way UDFA that doesnt make it sadly.
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Post#1697 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:37 pm

For some reason I think the Spurs are going to draft Edey even if they get the #1 pick.

Just feels like a Pop kind of pick. I think the size of those 2 could really create matchup problems. He once had Duncan/Robinson twin towers. Maybe this could be his next experiment?
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Post#1698 » by XTC » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:20 am

Ja'Kobe Walter really reminds me of Buddy Hield/THJ.

He's going to be a bomber at the next level, and honestly I'm a fan. I know his shooting splits don't look the best, but his volume combined with the type of shots he shoots (tons of movement) is really impressive.
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Post#1699 » by G R E Y » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:28 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:For some reason I think the Spurs are going to draft Edey even if they get the #1 pick.

Just feels like a Pop kind of pick. I think the size of those 2 could really create matchup problems. He once had Duncan/Robinson twin towers. Maybe this could be his next experiment?

No.

There has to be a level of versatile skill especially at #1. Edey is what he is in large part already. And given we value D foundations, what does he bring besides blocks and boards but can be taken away from the rim and exploited? Older, plodding, not great rim touch, not floor spreading... Not a Spurs type at all.

I'd eat my hat if we did this.

I have a feeling if we get #1 we either take Risacher or Sarr or may just trade it for upgrades. Is there a guy out there right now that's worth the salary and investment at #1?
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Post#1700 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:32 pm

G R E Y wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:For some reason I think the Spurs are going to draft Edey even if they get the #1 pick.

Just feels like a Pop kind of pick. I think the size of those 2 could really create matchup problems. He once had Duncan/Robinson twin towers. Maybe this could be his next experiment?

No.

There has to be a level of versatile skill especially at #1. Edey is what he is in large part already. And given we value D foundations, what does he bring besides blocks and boards but can be taken away from the rim and exploited? Older, plodding, not great rim touch, not floor spreading... Not a Spurs type at all.

I'd eat my hat if we did this.

I have a feeling if we get #1 we either take Risacher or Sarr or may just trade it for upgrades. Is there a guy out there right now that's worth the salary and investment at #1?

I hope the Spurs go all out for a star. This isn't really a draft were I see a legit sidekick for Wemby.

I personally would love to see them go all in on Trae Young.

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