Your Lottery Big Boards

[God Squad]

You are proving my point though
So you would have been 0-6... maybe 1-5 if Luka wins one.

Yeah, it's a special tier, but what is your point of this discussion?

Why don't you call out the person who has 10 tiers and 3 of them basically the same?

I am not calling out anyone lol, I am simply putting a numbers driven opinion up for debate.

Where is your big board?

[JMAC3]

Yeah, it's a special tier, but what is your point of this discussion?

Why don't you call out the person who has 10 tiers and 3 of them basically the same?

I am not calling out anyone lol, I am simply putting a numbers driven opinion up for debate.

Where is your big board?

page one of this thread lol

[God Squad]

I am not calling out anyone lol, I am simply putting a numbers driven opinion up for debate.

Where is your big board?

page one of this thread lol

My bad. Saw you fighting for Holland in another thread and went to the back pages of this thread. But you have Holland in your first tier so it makes sense now.

[JMAC3]

Copy pasted from Reed/Dilly thread since this seems to be a better landing spot.

Top 20 right now, tier order is still in process so disregard order of players especially in Tier 1.

Tier 1 - Starters with upside. 1-5
Risacher, Topic, Sarr, Holland, Cody Williams

Tier 2- Solid Starters 6-9
Buzelis, Castle, Walter, Collier

Tier 3 - star potential but more concerning red flags. 10-11
Dillingham, Saluan

Tier 4 Low End Starters, High Level Reserve Role Players 12-16
Clingan, Tyler Smith Sheppard, Filipowski, Knecht

Next 4 out on my watch list
Furphy, McClain, Missi, Carrington

Update:
Tier 1
Topic, Holland, Sarr, Risacher

Tier 2
Buzelis, Williams, Castle, Walter, Collier

remove Carrington since he isn't declaring and replace with Holmes.

... everything else is the same.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Copy pasted from Reed/Dilly thread since this seems to be a better landing spot.

Top 20 right now, tier order is still in process so disregard order of players especially in Tier 1.

Tier 1 - Starters with upside. 1-5
Risacher, Topic, Sarr, Holland, Cody Williams

Tier 2- Solid Starters 6-9
Buzelis, Castle, Walter, Collier

Tier 3 - star potential but more concerning red flags. 10-11
Dillingham, Saluan

Tier 4 Low End Starters, High Level Reserve Role Players 12-16
Clingan, Tyler Smith Sheppard, Filipowski, Knecht

Next 4 out on my watch list
Furphy, McClain, Missi, Carrington

Update:
Tier 1
Topic, Holland, Sarr, Risacher

Tier 2
Buzelis, Williams, Castle, Walter, Collier

remove Carrington since he isn't declaring and replace with Holmes.

... everything else is the same.

way too early to think this. After a tough loss while emotional he said "for sure" that he'd return. He's a top 10 talent and potential lottery pick. Not coming out in a supposedly weak draft class would be stupid on his part. Until he declares he's returning officially and doesn't take part in any of the draft activities, I'm assuming he's leaving. There's so much time before the draft. Kids will change their minds. It sometimes go right down to the wire.

[Catchall]

Spoiler:

Copy pasted from Reed/Dilly thread since this seems to be a better landing spot.

Top 20 right now, tier order is still in process so disregard order of players especially in Tier 1.

Tier 1 - Starters with upside. 1-5
Risacher, Topic, Sarr, Holland, Cody Williams

Tier 2- Solid Starters 6-9
Buzelis, Castle, Walter, Collier

Tier 3 - star potential but more concerning red flags. 10-11
Dillingham, Saluan

Tier 4 Low End Starters, High Level Reserve Role Players 12-16
Clingan, Tyler Smith Sheppard, Filipowski, Knecht

Next 4 out on my watch list
Furphy, McClain, Missi, Carrington

I think these are good takes. I agree that your top 5 should be the first 5 players picked.
I would probably move Castle to your Tier 3 because if he doesn't shoot with enough volume or consistency, he's probably a backup in today's league.
I would move Dillingham up to Tier 2 if that's the style of PG your team is willing to run with. He's on par with Garland and shows Kyrie-level flashes. He's just small and limited defensively.
I would add Kyshawn George and possibly Jared McCain to your Tier 4, since they should be reliable shooters at least. McCain projects as a Seth Curry type pretty safely.

[Catchall]

As a Jazz fan, my lotto board would look like this...
1 Topic
2 Sarr
3 Williams
4 Risacher
5 Buzelis
6 Holland
7 Sheppard
8 Dillingham (not a fit due to positional and defensive limitations, but a high-value trade asset for the right team)
9 Knecht
10 Filipowski
11 Castle
12 George
13 Chomche maybe (depends on where he's at at Nike Hoop Summit)
14 T. Smith

[The Moose]

My board is still pretty fluid, but I'm not sure the top 3 will change much for me

Tier 1 - [Superstar prospect]

Tier 2 - [All NBA prospect]

Tier 3 - [All star potential prospect]
1. Nikola Topic
2. Reed Sheppard
3. Donovan Clingan

Tier 4 - [starters/impact players]
4. Ron Holland
5. Kyle Filipowski
6. Zach Edey
7. Devin Carter
8. Collin Murray-Boyles (probably will be in 2025 class though)
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Dalton Knecht

Tier 5 - [rotation guys/guys that stick around the league] not ordered yet but will be trimmed down
Alex Sarr
Stephon Castle
Da’Ron Holmes
Matas Buzelis
Jared McCain
Cody Williams
Zac Risacher
Johnny Furphy
Hansen Yang
Kel’el Ware
Tyler Kolek
Ryan Dunn
Jonathan Mogbo
Isaiah Collier
Jamal Shead
Ja'Kobe Walter

pre final four update, biggest riser is McCain

Tier 1 - [Superstar prospect]

Tier 2 - [All NBA prospect]

Tier 3 - [All star potential prospect]
1. Donovan Clingan
2. Zach Edey

Tier 3.5 - [fringe All star potential prospect]
3. Nikola Topic
4. Reed Sheppard

Tier 4 - [starters/impact players]
5. Jared McCain
6. Ron Holland
7. Devin Carter
8. Kyle Filipowksi
9. DaRon Holmes II


Tier 5 - [rotation guys/guys that stick around the league]
10. Tyler Smith
11. Dalton Knecht
12. Alex Sarr
13. Rob Dillingham
14. Stephon Castle

15. Zaccharie Risacher
16. Johnny Furphy
17. Cody Williams
18. Matas Buzelis
19. Isaiah Collier
20. Kel’el Ware

Next Up:

Shead
Walter
Mogbo

Waiting for decision: CMB, Yang (both lotto if declared)

[QMemphis]

My board is still pretty fluid, but I'm not sure the top 3 will change much for me

Tier 1 - [Superstar prospect]

Tier 2 - [All NBA prospect]

Tier 3 - [All star potential prospect]
1. Nikola Topic
2. Reed Sheppard
3. Donovan Clingan

Tier 4 - [starters/impact players]
4. Ron Holland
5. Kyle Filipowski
6. Zach Edey
7. Devin Carter
8. Collin Murray-Boyles (probably will be in 2025 class though)
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Dalton Knecht

Tier 5 - [rotation guys/guys that stick around the league] not ordered yet but will be trimmed down
Alex Sarr
Stephon Castle
Da’Ron Holmes
Matas Buzelis
Jared McCain
Cody Williams
Zac Risacher
Johnny Furphy
Hansen Yang
Kel’el Ware
Tyler Kolek
Ryan Dunn
Jonathan Mogbo
Isaiah Collier
Jamal Shead
Ja'Kobe Walter

pre final four update, biggest riser is McCain

Tier 1 - [Superstar prospect]

Tier 2 - [All NBA prospect]

Tier 3 - [All star potential prospect]
1. Donovan Clingan
2. Zach Edey

Tier 3.5 - [fringe All star potential prospect]
3. Nikola Topic
4. Reed Sheppard

Tier 4 - [starters/impact players]
5. Jared McCain
6. Ron Holland
7. Devin Carter
8. Kyle Filipowksi
9. DaRon Holmes II


Tier 5 - [rotation guys/guys that stick around the league]
10. Tyler Smith
11. Dalton Knecht
12. Alex Sarr
13. Rob Dillingham
14. Stephon Castle

15. Zaccharie Risacher
16. Johnny Furphy
17. Cody Williams
18. Matas Buzelis
19. Isaiah Collier
20. Kel’el Ware

Next Up:

Shead
Walter
Mogbo

Waiting for decision: CMB, Yang (both lotto if declared)

Lol wow

[Hal14]

Spoiler:

Copy pasted from Reed/Dilly thread since this seems to be a better landing spot.

Top 20 right now, tier order is still in process so disregard order of players especially in Tier 1.

Tier 1 - Starters with upside. 1-5
Risacher, Topic, Sarr, Holland, Cody Williams

Tier 2- Solid Starters 6-9
Buzelis, Castle, Walter, Collier

Tier 3 - star potential but more concerning red flags. 10-11
Dillingham, Saluan

Tier 4 Low End Starters, High Level Reserve Role Players 12-16
Clingan, Tyler Smith Sheppard, Filipowski, Knecht

Next 4 out on my watch list
Furphy, McClain, Missi, Carrington

I think these are good takes. I agree that your top 5 should be the first 5 players picked.
I would probably move Castle to your Tier 3 because if he doesn't shoot with enough volume or consistency, he's probably a backup in today's league.
I would move Dillingham up to Tier 2 if that's the style of PG your team is willing to run with. He's on par with Garland and shows Kyrie-level flashes. He's just small and limited defensively.

Dillingham is basically the same size as Garland. And Garland is also not very good on D.

If you think he's on par with Garland (an NBA all-star) then he should be top 2 in this class...top 3 at worst and a serious contender for no. 1 pick.

[Catchall]

Spoiler:

Copy pasted from Reed/Dilly thread since this seems to be a better landing spot.

Top 20 right now, tier order is still in process so disregard order of players especially in Tier 1.

Tier 1 - Starters with upside. 1-5
Risacher, Topic, Sarr, Holland, Cody Williams

Tier 2- Solid Starters 6-9
Buzelis, Castle, Walter, Collier

Tier 3 - star potential but more concerning red flags. 10-11
Dillingham, Saluan

Tier 4 Low End Starters, High Level Reserve Role Players 12-16
Clingan, Tyler Smith Sheppard, Filipowski, Knecht

Next 4 out on my watch list
Furphy, McClain, Missi, Carrington

I think these are good takes. I agree that your top 5 should be the first 5 players picked.
I would probably move Castle to your Tier 3 because if he doesn't shoot with enough volume or consistency, he's probably a backup in today's league.
I would move Dillingham up to Tier 2 if that's the style of PG your team is willing to run with. He's on par with Garland and shows Kyrie-level flashes. He's just small and limited defensively.

Dillingham is basically the same size as Garland. And Garland is also not very good on D.

If you think he's on par with Garland (an NBA all-star) then he should be top 2 in this class...top 3 at worst and a serious contender for no. 1 pick.

I think by talent he's probably top 5, but a team has to decide that's the archetype they want at the 1.

[Hal14]

I think these are good takes. I agree that your top 5 should be the first 5 players picked.
I would probably move Castle to your Tier 3 because if he doesn't shoot with enough volume or consistency, he's probably a backup in today's league.
I would move Dillingham up to Tier 2 if that's the style of PG your team is willing to run with. He's on par with Garland and shows Kyrie-level flashes. He's just small and limited defensively.

Dillingham is basically the same size as Garland. And Garland is also not very good on D.

If you think he's on par with Garland (an NBA all-star) then he should be top 2 in this class...top 3 at worst and a serious contender for no. 1 pick.

I think by talent he's probably top 5, but a team has to decide that's the archetype they want at the 1.

Yeah, that's fair. And of course some of the teams picking near the top of the draft (DET, CHA, POR) don't need a PG..

[HadAnEffectHere]

(I'm not sure Darius Garland is a top 15 PG in the NBA)

Also, Detroit, Charlotte, and Portland are not set at PG at all. There's not really a reason to assume Ivey, LaMelo, or Scoot are building blocks. They could be, but I would say it's less likely than not.

Also, the Hornets, Jazz, and Pistons should not be assumed to be set at center either to be clear. Mark Williams' back is probably toast, the Jazz's coach does not like traditional centers, and Duren has been extremely bad for the Pistons while being a terrible fit with Ausar.

[babyjax13]

Updated, perhaps insane.

Big Board (plausible high-end outcomes)
Subject to change, have seen everyone play a full game other than Juan Nunez

Tier 1 (future MVP candidate):
no one

Tier 2 (all NBA + multi-time all star):
no one

Tier 3 (multi-time all-star):
1. Kyshawn George
2. Nikola Topic
3. Cody Williams
4. Ron Holland

Tier 5 (maybe an all-star, probably a good starter):
5. Zaccharie Rissacher
6. Stephon Castle
7. Alexandre Sarr
8. Donovan Clingan
9. Zvonimir Ivisic

Tier 6 (solid starter):
10. Matas Buzelis
11. Isaiah Collier
12. Ja'Kobe Walter
13. Rob Dillingham
14. Kyle Filipowski

[Catchall]

Updated, perhaps insane.

Spoiler:

Big Board (plausible high-end outcomes)
Subject to change, have seen everyone play a full game other than Juan Nunez

Tier 1 (future MVP candidate):
no one

Tier 2 (all NBA + multi-time all star):
no one

Tier 3 (multi-time all-star):
1. Kyshawn George
2. Nikola Topic
3. Cody Williams
4. Ron Holland

Tier 5 (maybe an all-star, probably a good starter):
5. Zaccharie Rissacher
6. Stephon Castle
7. Alexandre Sarr
8. Donovan Clingan
9. Zvonimir Ivisic

Tier 6 (solid starter):
10. Matas Buzelis
11. Isaiah Collier
12. Ja'Kobe Walter
13. Rob Dillingham
14. Kyle Filipowski

I don't think it's insane, but Kyshawn George needs significant physical development.

I think Kel'el Ware *should* end up in the same ballpark as Brook Lopez as a starter, unless there are effort/desire concerns there.

[bucknut]

Updated, perhaps insane.

Spoiler:

Big Board (plausible high-end outcomes)
Subject to change, have seen everyone play a full game other than Juan Nunez

Tier 1 (future MVP candidate):
no one

Tier 2 (all NBA + multi-time all star):
no one

Tier 3 (multi-time all-star):
1. Kyshawn George
2. Nikola Topic
3. Cody Williams
4. Ron Holland

Tier 5 (maybe an all-star, probably a good starter):
5. Zaccharie Rissacher
6. Stephon Castle
7. Alexandre Sarr
8. Donovan Clingan
9. Zvonimir Ivisic

Tier 6 (solid starter):
10. Matas Buzelis
11. Isaiah Collier
12. Ja'Kobe Walter
13. Rob Dillingham
14. Kyle Filipowski

I don't think it's insane, but Kyshawn George needs significant physical development.

I think Kel'el Ware *should* end up in the same ballpark as Brook Lopez as a starter, unless there are effort/desire concerns there.

Ware couldn't beat out Dante at Oregon .....anyone have any info on that guy's NBA projection....dude looked like a monster in the tourney especially defensively. Saw plenty of ware at Indiana...did not flash the way Jackson Davis did. No post moves besides just using his height for a turnaround low middle. Lopez was more refined.arsenal in the post in college and more physical..wider broader body better center of gravity More balanced jump shot. Better player. Probably smarter player too. Ware lacked major intangibles and was just thrust into the lineup this year out of need.

[BlazersBroncos]

Ware couldn't beat out Dante at Oregon .....anyone have any info on that guy's NBA projection

I think he goes from being an afterthought before the tourney to a mid SRP. He has super quick hands for a guy his size as shown by his steal %, pretty nice motor, good athleticism, quality rebounder.

But he isnt a shooter and may be closer to 6'9 than 7'0 IMO. He didnt really show marked improvement in his FT year over year so I seriously doubt he ever builds a shooting game.

Guys with his skillset dont really get drafted high, at least at 6'9. He is like a Bruno Fernando, and Bruno Fernando's are not really lighting the league on fire lately. (Fernando actually was a MUCH better FT shooter, passer and even attempted a few 3's in college).

So I really dont see much demand for Dante - but a team will swing on him if he measures well and if they need a backup that can body the big boys and rebound.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Ware couldn't beat out Dante at Oregon .....anyone have any info on that guy's NBA projection

I think he goes from being an afterthought before the tourney to a mid SRP. He has super quick hands for a guy his size as shown by his steal %, pretty nice motor, good athleticism, quality rebounder.

But he isnt a shooter and may be closer to 6'9 than 7'0 IMO. He didnt really show marked improvement in his FT year over year so I seriously doubt he ever builds a shooting game.

Guys with his skillset dont really get drafted high, at least at 6'9. He is like a Bruno Fernando, and Bruno Fernando's are not really lighting the league on fire lately. (Fernando actually was a MUCH better FT shooter, passer and even attempted a few 3's in college).

So I really dont see much demand for Dante - but a team will swing on him if he measures well and if they need a backup that can body the big boys and rebound.

Achiuwa, Stewart, Okongwu, Bam, Jones, Jackson, Garuba, and Duren all drafted in the first. I think Dante is taller than 6'9" though. There's always going to be demand for shot-blocking centers that can move laterally and hold their own on switches. They don't light the league on fire but every single team needs them. If they can develop an outside shot or become a half-way decent FT shooter it's gravy.

[clyde21]

Ware couldn't beat out Dante at Oregon .....anyone have any info on that guy's NBA projection

I think he goes from being an afterthought before the tourney to a mid SRP. He has super quick hands for a guy his size as shown by his steal %, pretty nice motor, good athleticism, quality rebounder.

But he isnt a shooter and may be closer to 6'9 than 7'0 IMO. He didnt really show marked improvement in his FT year over year so I seriously doubt he ever builds a shooting game.

Guys with his skillset dont really get drafted high, at least at 6'9. He is like a Bruno Fernando, and Bruno Fernando's are not really lighting the league on fire lately. (Fernando actually was a MUCH better FT shooter, passer and even attempted a few 3's in college).

So I really dont see much demand for Dante - but a team will swing on him if he measures well and if they need a backup that can body the big boys and rebound.

Achiuwa, Stewart, Okongwu, Bam, Jones, Jackson, Garuba, and Duren all drafted in the first. I think Dante is taller than 6'9" though. There's always going to be demand for shot-blocking centers that can move laterally and hold their own on switches. They don't light the league on fire but every single team needs them. If they can develop an outside shot or become a half-way decent FT shooter it's gravy.

all those guys you mentioned were freshmen, Dante is a 5th year

[BigGargamel]

I don't think Dante will be drafted. Fifth year senior with a ton of mileage on those legs, and has missed a bunch of games. But definitely my projection to be a Duop Reath that works his way from a two-way guy to a standard contract one day. He'll just have to earn it the hard way most likely.