Should the Kings have taken Rubio?

[gswhoopsman]

Thompson over Randolph? You guys are kidding yourselves now.

LEts see, Thompson at 250 pounds and 6'11 or Randolph at 6'10 and 190 pounds? Which would you take on your roster??? Let's not factor in Thompson put up BETTER stats the ENTIRE season.

Com'n man, Randolph is becoming a David Lee or Channing Frye of RealGM. Overhyped and overrated. Nice young player, but there's a reason he fell from lock for the top 10 to #14.


Factor is the Warriors track record in the 1st round, he's DOOMED before he even began.

If any of that were true, they would be good points.

Both randolph's height and weight listed are wrong. Randolph, with pt, put up better stats. I guess Thompson is better because he was picked a whopping 2 picks ahead of Randolph, because as we know, draft position is an indicator of how good a player is. And the kings suck even worse than the warriors so..

[Smills91]

Thompson over Randolph? You guys are kidding yourselves now.

LEts see, Thompson at 250 pounds and 6'11 or Randolph at 6'10 and 190 pounds? Which would you take on your roster??? Let's not factor in Thompson put up BETTER stats the ENTIRE season.

Com'n man, Randolph is becoming a David Lee or Channing Frye of RealGM. Overhyped and overrated. Nice young player, but there's a reason he fell from lock for the top 10 to #14.


Factor is the Warriors track record in the 1st round, he's DOOMED before he even began.

If any of that were true, they would be good points.

Both randolph's height and weight listed are wrong. Randolph, with pt, put up better stats. I guess Thompson is better because he was picked a whopping 2 picks ahead of Randolph, because as we know, draft position is an indicator of how good a player is. And the kings suck even worse than the warriors so..

Hmm...because I used Thompson draft position vs. Randolph's somewhere?

I used FACTS. Thompson has an NBA body. He's much bigger, stronger and just as agile/quick as Randolph. He's also more skilled. He put up better rookie stats and he even plays a beneficial big man swing of the 4 or 5. Randolph is a tweener between the 3/4, rarely a good thing.


Historically speaking, players' 'versatility' has often looked like this:

2/3 - GOOD
4/5 - GOOD

1/2 - BAD
3/4 - BAD

Randolph may become a nice player, who knows. But Thompson showed MORE over a CONSISTENT period of time. I'd put money down that THompson has a better career between the two as he has the stats, skills and body type to excel at the NBA level, whereas Randolph has the dreaded P WORD(potential) attached to his name/game.

[BubbaTee]

rubio's a franchise direction changing talent. his style of play is the type that'll not only bring excitement but will also elevate the play of his teammates. you also dont have to worry about who can play with him cuz he can play with anybody. players like him create synergy on teams.
can't say the same about evans.

To be fair, the Kings already went through the "PG who makes the game more exciting" thing with Jason Williams, and decided it wasn't for them, and traded him for Mike Bibby, who's boring.

[Worm Guts]

Hmm...because I used Thompson draft position vs. Randolph's somewhere?

I used FACTS. Thompson has an NBA body. He's much bigger, stronger and just as agile/quick as Randolph. He's also more skilled. He put up better rookie stats and he even plays a beneficial big man swing of the 4 or 5. Randolph is a tweener between the 3/4, rarely a good thing.


Historically speaking, players' 'versatility' has often looked like this:

2/3 - GOOD
4/5 - GOOD

1/2 - BAD
3/4 - BAD

Randolph may become a nice player, who knows. But Thompson showed MORE over a CONSISTENT period of time. I'd put money down that THompson has a better career between the two as he has the stats, skills and body type to excel at the NBA level, whereas Randolph has the dreaded P WORD(potential) attached to his name/game.

You're a tweener if you're too short for your skill set. Randolph is 6'11 with the skillset and quickness of a small forward. He's not a tweener.

[Smills91]

rubio's a franchise direction changing talent. his style of play is the type that'll not only bring excitement but will also elevate the play of his teammates. you also dont have to worry about who can play with him cuz he can play with anybody. players like him create synergy on teams.
can't say the same about evans.

To be fair, the Kings already went through the "PG who makes the game more exciting" thing with Jason Williams, and decided it wasn't for them, and traded him for Mike Bibby, who's boring.Yet infinitely more effective.

Fixed for accuracy.

[NO-KG-AI]

Hmm...because I used Thompson draft position vs. Randolph's somewhere?

I used FACTS. Thompson has an NBA body. He's much bigger, stronger and just as agile/quick as Randolph. He's also more skilled. He put up better rookie stats and he even plays a beneficial big man swing of the 4 or 5. Randolph is a tweener between the 3/4, rarely a good thing.


Historically speaking, players' 'versatility' has often looked like this:

2/3 - GOOD
4/5 - GOOD

1/2 - BAD
3/4 - BAD

Randolph may become a nice player, who knows. But Thompson showed MORE over a CONSISTENT period of time. I'd put money down that THompson has a better career between the two as he has the stats, skills and body type to excel at the NBA level, whereas Randolph has the dreaded P WORD(potential) attached to his name/game.

You're a tweener if you're too short for your skill set. Randolph is 6'11 with the skillset and quickness of a small forward. He's not a tweener.

Randolph is 6'9 exactly in his barefeet, and 200 pounds, unless you believe what GS fans are saying, and he put on 20 pounds without anyone noticing.

I'd take him over Thompson, but he's been blown way out of proportion... from his athleticism, his potential, and his skill set.

[BubbaTee]

rubio's a franchise direction changing talent. his style of play is the type that'll not only bring excitement but will also elevate the play of his teammates. you also dont have to worry about who can play with him cuz he can play with anybody. players like him create synergy on teams.
can't say the same about evans.

To be fair, the Kings already went through the "PG who makes the game more exciting" thing with Jason Williams, and decided it wasn't for them, and traded him for Mike Bibby, who's boring.Yet infinitely more effective.

Fixed for accuracy.

Agree. It shows that "excitement" isn't priority #1 in SAC.

[gswhoopsman]

Hmm...because I used Thompson draft position vs. Randolph's somewhere?

I used FACTS. Thompson has an NBA body. He's much bigger, stronger and just as agile/quick as Randolph. He's also more skilled. He put up better rookie stats and he even plays a beneficial big man swing of the 4 or 5. Randolph is a tweener between the 3/4, rarely a good thing.


Historically speaking, players' 'versatility' has often looked like this:

2/3 - GOOD
4/5 - GOOD

1/2 - BAD
3/4 - BAD

Randolph may become a nice player, who knows. But Thompson showed MORE over a CONSISTENT period of time. I'd put money down that THompson has a better career between the two as he has the stats, skills and body type to excel at the NBA level, whereas Randolph has the dreaded P WORD(potential) attached to his name/game.

You're a tweener if you're too short for your skill set. Randolph is 6'11 with the skillset and quickness of a small forward. He's not a tweener.

Randolph is 6'9 exactly in his barefeet, and 200 pounds, unless you believe what GS fans are saying, and he put on 20 pounds without anyone noticing.

I'd take him over Thompson, but he's been blown way out of proportion... from his athleticism, his potential, and his skill set.

Yeah, unless you believe what gs fans + every local media outlet + the warriors organization +randolph himself as saying, hes 6'9 and 200 pounds

Yeah I guess it makes more sense to believe that a persons height and weight don't change once they've reached the ripe old age of 19.

[Worm Guts]

Randolph is 6'9 exactly in his barefeet, and 200 pounds, unless you believe what GS fans are saying, and he put on 20 pounds without anyone noticing.

I'd take him over Thompson, but he's been blown way out of proportion... from his athleticism, his potential, and his skill set.

So he's 6'10 by NBA standards, and he's thin no doubt, but he's not really a tweener. At least not the kind you avoid. He's got the quickness and the handle of a small forward. Whether he's overrated or not, I can't tell you.

[Paydro70]

GSW fans are way overexcited about him, as is their prerogative as fans. It's just like how Pistons fans said they wouldn't trade Stuckey for anything.

Regardless, saying he's 6'9" is for effect, everyone (including Thompson) is listed by height in shoes. Randolph isn't really a tweener, any more than other athletic 4s like Bosh are. He's just skinny, and may always be, but it clearly doesn't affect his ability to block shots or rebound. I'd much rather have him than Thompson.

As for the OP, as others have said, Evans needs to clearly be better than Rubio for it to have made sense, because they had the clearest need in the high lottery and they passed on a very well-regarded prospect.

[NO-KG-AI]

Yeah, unless you believe what gs fans + every local media outlet + the warriors organization +randolph himself as saying, hes 6'9 and 200 pounds

Yeah I guess it makes more sense to believe that a persons height and weight don't change once they've reached the ripe old age of 19.

I also believe Jerome Bettis was 245, that's what he said, and that's what he was listed at on the team website!!!

Sorry if I don't believe GS fans, or local media outlets, if we believed that, we have to believe every fanboy from a team, and every teams local media.

Randolph is 6'10, 205 max, the reports that he gained 20 pounds is laughable, someone stick thin like that, 20 pounds shows so easy.

[NetsForce]

Why are we still discussing how Randolph gained 20 divided by 10 lbs...?

[ManualRam]

To be fair, the Kings already went through the "PG who makes the game more exciting" thing with Jason Williams, and decided it wasn't for them, and traded him for Mike Bibby, who's boring.Yet infinitely more effective.

Fixed for accuracy.

Agree. It shows that "excitement" isn't priority #1 in SAC.

bringing excitement would be a bonus. it would definitely help a franchise that was dead last in attendance last yr.
rubio's style of play and effect he would have on his teammates was my main point.
also, unlike j-will, there is substance to rubio's game. he's far from being just flash.

[Esohny]

Thank goodness they didn't take Rubio. I'm very grateful that they left him for the Wolves.

[gswhoopsman]

Yeah, unless you believe what gs fans + every local media outlet + the warriors organization +randolph himself as saying, hes 6'9 and 200 pounds

Yeah I guess it makes more sense to believe that a persons height and weight don't change once they've reached the ripe old age of 19.

I also believe Jerome Bettis was 245, that's what he said, and that's what he was listed at on the team website!!!

Sorry if I don't believe GS fans, or local media outlets, if we believed that, we have to believe every fanboy from a team, and every teams local media.

Randolph is 6'10, 205 max, the reports that he gained 20 pounds is laughable, someone stick thin like that, 20 pounds shows so easy.

Believing local media is like believing fans? WTF? I guess we'd better trust you then, what with all the connections you have to Randolph.

Yeah weight does show easy, and it DID show towards the end of the season that he put on some mass. And of course, given that you've seen Randolph since the season ended, you would know how much weight hes gained in the offseason.

But like I said, it makes more sense to believe a person stops growing once they've hit the ripe old age of 19.