Poll: How Separated Are We On These Bigs

SuperHigh · Post #1 » by **SuperHigh** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:42 pm

Similar to the thread on Walker vs. Knight, which big would you draft?

Enes Kanter:
+Highly Skilled offensively(can shoot, post up)
+Excellent rebounder
+NBA ready body
--Knee problems
--Slow, could lack athleticism.

Jonas Valanciunas:
+Long, agile, athletic
+Finishes in the paint, outside shot.
+Hasn't grown yet
--Lacks strength
--Defensive issues

Donatas Motiejunas:
+Fast, athletic, aggressive.
+Can shoot, post up, finishes in the paint.
+Shot Blocker
--Can't rebound, play defense.
--Sometimes can be lazy.

Bismack Biyombo:
+Intimidating presence, shot blocker, rebounder.
+Great size, wingspan
+NBA ready body
--Very raw skillset
--Poor passer

There they are, 4 bigs that can potentially replace Bargs. They all have big flaws in their game and drafting another Euro is always a risk, but who is the most impressive? Personally I prefer Enes or Jonas.

Post #2 » by **LittleOzzy** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:43 pm

I think you need to first learn where Europe is.

marcwagz · Post #3 » by **marcwagz** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:45 pm

no more european project bigs please especially with a 5th pick

Kanter or none of these!!!

fredericklove · Post #4 » by **fredericklove** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:46 pm

UnderKanter

U_Mad · Post #5 » by **U_Mad** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:46 pm

Do not want Bismack Biyombo...hes 6'9" why would u want him when we already have 2 undersized C's and Bargs who doesn't even want to sniff the paint

Raps in 4 · Post #6 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:48 pm

LittleOzzy wrote:I think you need to first learn where Europe is.

Non-American = Euro, besides, Bismack plays in the Euroleague.

Post #7 » by **LittleOzzy** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:48 pm

UssjTrunks wrote:
LittleOzzy wrote:I think you need to first learn where Europe is.

Non-American = Euro

Even Andrew Bogut? Haha

ATLTimekeeper · Post #8 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:51 pm

I think there's more to discuss than you've depicted.

I prefer Jonas Valanciunas, but if he can't play for at least two years I'm not sure the pick is worth it. I think he maxes out as a Joakim Noah calibre talent, and I don't think that's worth waiting for when Biyombo and Kanter can play next year.

If we come down with any of these guys (no Donut) I'll be content.

Raps in 4 · Post #9 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:51 pm

LittleOzzy wrote:
UssjTrunks wrote:
LittleOzzy wrote:I think you need to first learn where Europe is.

Non-American = Euro

Even Andrew Bogut? Haha

His background is Croatian, so yes.

Post #10 » by **DG88** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:55 pm

Biyombo is from Congo so there is an African amongst the bigs. Hard to say really. I'm not high on anyone of them. May Val but that's it.

karolis1221 · Post #11 » by **karolis1221** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:59 pm

stay away from Valanciunas and motiejunas is best for you.

Zarko · Post #12 » by **Zarko** » Wed May 18, 2011 5:59 pm

No Ideal BPA?

So you draft for needs.

What are our needs? Defense, Toughness, Rebounding.

Who does that point to?

Lawnmower Man · Post #13 » by **Lawnmower Man** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:10 pm

I'm hoping Bismack and Enes Kanter impress in the workout/measurements.

I keep hearing some bad news about both of their heights (barely 6'9"), poor wingspan and athleticism for Enes, and the unknown age of Bismack.

I am just crossing my fingers that their measurements pan out and they do well in the workouts. Now, watch them get drafted 3rd and 4th, LOL.

Shammgod_ · Post #14 » by **Shammgod_** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:13 pm

Biyombo brings more toughness, defense & rebounding than Val/Donatas.

Assuming Kanter is gone; i could see him being another dejuan blair situation dropping because of his knee 'problems'

bboyskinnylegs · Post #15 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:19 pm

Not to take anything away from Donatas, but I think Bismack is the one that's fast, athletic, and aggressive.

Meursault · Post #16 » by **Meursault** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:20 pm

to be honest, all of the above players are likely to have an underwhelming impact or will flat out suck. i don't even care about whether their specific assets match the team needs given the potential for massive suckage. i'm going to say flat out right now that at least 1 out of these 5 guys will be out of the league after his initial contract and the rest will likely be bench/role players.

i'll trust BC to draft the BPA if it comes down to these guys, even if that means a 25 year old 6"9 african dude, a guy with wonky knees or a guy whose countryman might get drafted 15 positions after him but still end up with the better career as a towel-waver.

seriously, BC, BPA. i'll trust your judgement. if you screw up, i won't hold it against you given the given the general suckage beyond the top-2 this year. silver lining is that next year is a strong crop of talent and this team will probably end up with another top 5 pick.

EDIT: i said 5 guys because i thought the draft initially included Vesely. after Kanter, I think he'll probably be the next best player in the draft, and seems to play a good above-the-rim game, which might translate to weak side help and a few extra rebounds. i'll take it

T_Biggums · Post #17 » by **T_Biggums** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:20 pm

The defensive upside of Biyombo make him a nice pick in this draft. Just this draft.

Tofubeque · Post #18 » by **Tofubeque** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:26 pm

I don't see Kanter falling to us.

Biyombo would be a huge reach at 5, and is redundant with our frontcourt. Joey Dorsey could do what he does.

T_Biggums · Post #19 » by **T_Biggums** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:30 pm

Tofubeque wrote:I don't see Kanter falling to us.

Biyombo would be a huge reach at 5, and is redundant with our frontcourt. Joey Dorsey could do what he does.

really? Dorsey as a lane intimidator? wow. Now that's something I never thought I would ever hear. Bismack has Wallace potential its a gamble but in this draft its not a bad one. Defense has got to be high on the list for the Raptors.

MrBojangelz71 · Post #20 » by **MrBojangelz71** » Wed May 18, 2011 6:39 pm

Unless someone can prove beyond any doubt that Bismack is under 20, I wouldn't touch him. If this kid turns out to be 24 to 26, his ceiling is maxed and we wasted that pick. I need proof!

Val won't be on this team probably for 3 seasons. Are we willing to wait that long? Is BC willing to waste a draft pick on a kid that might not play for his team before his contract is up?

Donatas Motiejunas.... I just threw up in my mouth.

Kanters' is not an option, he will be gone.

Best Big?