Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

[TorontoBarneys]

May not get a high draft pick this season, but there are plenty of trade opportunities for recently drafted players.

Pacers are the hot target everyone's talking about now but Pistons are also another team that will be desperate to surround their squad with veteran presence. Siakam to Pistons could be a real thing.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

May not get a high draft pick this season, but there are plenty of trade opportunities for recently drafted players.

Pacers are the hot target everyone's talking about now but Pistons are also another team that will be desperate to surround their squad with veteran presence. Siakam to Pistons could be a real thing.

Pistons probably aren't building around Cade going forward. As crazy as that sounds.

[WuTang_OG]

shouldn''t the threat of losing our 1st make us want to tank..

nope. its top 6 with already 3 teams we are not touching. if we didnt tank last year, they are not tanking this year. draft is by all accounts subpar. They made their damage with the poeltl trade, now is the time to give it up

its not tanking, its called we aren't good enough

Theyll give the pick up this year

[Tha Cynic]

May not get a high draft pick this season, but there are plenty of trade opportunities for recently drafted players.

Pacers are the hot target everyone's talking about now but Pistons are also another team that will be desperate to surround their squad with veteran presence. Siakam to Pistons could be a real thing.

Pistons probably aren't building around Cade going forward. As crazy as that sounds.

Who are they building around?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Pacers are the hot target everyone's talking about now but Pistons are also another team that will be desperate to surround their squad with veteran presence. Siakam to Pistons could be a real thing.

Pistons probably aren't building around Cade going forward. As crazy as that sounds.

Who are they building around?

TBD, they are screwed. Weak draft....it's bad for them.

[Jerry Lucas]

There's pretty much 6 teams that it would be borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank this season. Every team currently in the bottom 7 minus Memphis I think it's borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank. Lowest I think this team can possibly finish i the standings is 7th worst in the league (which as we all know still has a decent chance of winning one of the draft lotteries).

[Pointgod]

There's pretty much 6 teams that it would be borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank this season. Every team currently in the bottom 7 minus Memphis I think it's borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank. Lowest I think this team can possibly finish i the standings is 7th worst in the league (which as we all know still has a decent chance of winning one of the draft lotteries).

We’re only two games out of the 6th lottery slot and 2.5 games out of the 4th. Memphis will get better once Ja comes back and they get healthy, if we trade both Pascal and OG we can make our way to the bottom 4-6th slot. Keep the tank alive

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

There's pretty much 6 teams that it would be borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank this season. Every team currently in the bottom 7 minus Memphis I think it's borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank. Lowest I think this team can possibly finish i the standings is 7th worst in the league (which as we all know still has a decent chance of winning one of the draft lotteries).

We’re only two games out of the 6th lottery slot and 2.5 games out of the 4th. Memphis will get better once Ja comes back and they get healthy, if we trade both Pascal and OG we can make our way to the bottom 4-6th slot. Keep the tank alive

It's possible, given that nobody's trying to win it this year. The teams at the bottom this year are legit bad.

But do we really want that future pick hanging over our heads going forward? Not giving it up hurts our future more imo.

[Tha Cynic]

Pistons probably aren't building around Cade going forward. As crazy as that sounds.

Who are they building around?

TBD, they are screwed. Weak draft....it's bad for them.

Do you have an article where it says they're not building around Cade and they think as lowly of Cade as you have been saying throughout this thread? He would have more value than everyone on the Raptors other than Barnes at this stage.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Who are they building around?

TBD, they are screwed. Weak draft....it's bad for them.

Do you have an article where it says they're not building around Cade and they think as lowly of Cade as you have been saying throughout this thread? He would have more value than everyone on the Raptors other than Barnes at this stage.

Nope, but water is wet. He's inefficient, and if your best player is the "tip of the spear". They have a problem.

[ItsDanger]

Pacers are the hot target everyone's talking about now but Pistons are also another team that will be desperate to surround their squad with veteran presence. Siakam to Pistons could be a real thing.

Pistons probably aren't building around Cade going forward. As crazy as that sounds.

Who are they building around?

Monty Williams

[Tortiglioni]

Trade Pascal, OG, Trent and we likely don't win agin. (I'd say trade Poeltl as well but that's not happening as it would too embarrassing for the FO to dump him for peanuts at this point when we're handing over a top-10 pick.

[Jerry Lucas]

There's pretty much 6 teams that it would be borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank this season. Every team currently in the bottom 7 minus Memphis I think it's borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank. Lowest I think this team can possibly finish i the standings is 7th worst in the league (which as we all know still has a decent chance of winning one of the draft lotteries).

We’re only two games out of the 6th lottery slot and 2.5 games out of the 4th. Memphis will get better once Ja comes back and they get healthy, if we trade both Pascal and OG we can make our way to the bottom 4-6th slot. Keep the tank alive

Memphis is the team in the bottom 7 I think will pass us so there was no need for you to bring them up really. In terms of the other 6 teams (Portland/Charlotte/Wizards/Spurs/Jazz/Pistons), they all have team net ratings of -7 or lower. The Raptors net rating on the season is only -1.9. It would be extremely hard for the Raptors to out tank teams that are already -7 or worse every 100 possessions with no clear path to improvement like Memphis getting Ja back, even if the Raptors try to execute a major teardown.

[Scase]

just like how it happened last year with a bigger prize while also not having the threat of losing our 1st

shouldn''t the threat of losing our 1st make us want to tank..

No because then it’ll just go to the Spurs next year in a better draft. If there was ever a time to be gunning for 9th its this year. Just give the pick to them and get it over with.

You do whatever benefits the team the most long term. If you trade away Siakam/OG/Jak for prospects like we keep seeing thrown around from IND/ATL and it results in a lotto finish, and you lose the pick, so be it.

The problem this team suffers from is too many half measures (or in most cases no measures) and not committing to a direction. Losing a single pick in the grand scheme of things isn't going to cripple the franchise, but wasting another year, with 2 major UFAs, a potential superstar in Scottie stuck behind a mid player like Siakam, just to ensure the spurs don't get a single pick is negligence, pure and simple.

It is a lost cause, you do whatever you need to do, to right the ship.

[KL78192020]

Trade Pascal, OG, Trent and we likely don't win agin. (I'd say trade Poeltl as well but that's not happening as it would too embarrassing for the FO to dump him for peanuts at this point when we're handing over a top-10 pick.

I think Poeltl could be traded for a 1st round pick. Maybe when Ja comes back and they start winning the Grizz could do an Adams and protected first for Poeltl trade. Adams has been pretty injured and is over 30. Poeltl could be a good fit for them.

[MiamiSPX]

Trade Pascal, OG, Trent and we likely don't win agin. (I'd say trade Poeltl as well but that's not happening as it would too embarrassing for the FO to dump him for peanuts at this point when we're handing over a top-10 pick.

If we move Siakam, OG and others, Poeltl will ask out, which is good, and allows them to save face when moving him because that info will be leaked intentionally.

[ConSarnit]

There's pretty much 6 teams that it would be borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank this season. Every team currently in the bottom 7 minus Memphis I think it's borderline impossible for the Raptors to out tank. Lowest I think this team can possibly finish i the standings is 7th worst in the league (which as we all know still has a decent chance of winning one of the draft lotteries).

We’re only two games out of the 6th lottery slot and 2.5 games out of the 4th. Memphis will get better once Ja comes back and they get healthy, if we trade both Pascal and OG we can make our way to the bottom 4-6th slot. Keep the tank alive

Memphis is the team in the bottom 7 I think will pass us so there was no need for you to bring them up really. In terms of the other 6 teams (Portland/Charlotte/Wizards/Spurs/Jazz/Pistons), they all have team net ratings of -7 or lower. The Raptors net rating on the season is only -1.9. It would be extremely hard for the Raptors to out tank teams that are already -7 or worse every 100 possessions with no clear path to improvement like Memphis getting Ja back, even if the Raptors try to execute a major teardown.

We’re closing the gap on CHA. They’ve gotten better since Bridges has been back. Remove OG from our team and the only player with a positive plus minus is Boucher.

The only teams truly out of reach are SAS, DET, WAS and POR.

Not that we should be trying to keep our pick this year. We might rather need it in 2025 depending on what happens with Siakam and OG.

[2019nbachamps]

Trade Pascal, OG, Trent and we likely don't win agin. (I'd say trade Poeltl as well but that's not happening as it would too embarrassing for the FO to dump him for peanuts at this point when we're handing over a top-10 pick.

If we move Siakam, OG and others, Poeltl will ask out, which is good, and allows them to save face when moving him because that info will be leaked intentionally.

Problem is trading Poeltl will be embarrassing since we won’t recoup what we gave up to get him. I doubt we get a FRP back.

If I were to rank key players likely to get traded:

1. GTJ - hasn’t been good and unlikely to come back. Should get some 2RPs back


2. Pascal - conflicts with Scottie, age doesn’t meet timeline, Masai didn’t offer him extension

3. OG - strong trade market for him. Probably the guy that can get us the best return for a rebuild due to ease of trading him thanks to his relatively low salary

4. Poeltl - we overpaid for him last season. Don’t think he can command a return that significantly helps a rebuild

[NotMyKawhi]

5 or the next 6 are most likely losses and the one potential win is against the hornets, who just beat us

[Harry Palmer]

If the draft is that bad…imo still early on that…then I guess get it over with. Wasn’t paying attention at the time, did the fanbase freak at the Poetl trade or were we well supplied in Kool-Aid?