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Re: Malachi ain't it... 

Post#21 » by Oakvillehoops » Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:50 pm

Couldn’t name many teams/player who have a good back up point guard.

It seems like a near impossible position to fill, most back up point guards in the league are borderline to get cut from the nba.

Best bets are rolling without one, and if you’re trying to win bring in a 37 year old point guard like a Lowry just to run your bench
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Post#22 » by hyper316 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:54 pm

Oakvillehoops wrote:Couldn’t name many teams/player who have a good back up point guard.

It seems like a near impossible position to fill, most back up point guards in the league are borderline to get cut from the nba.

Best bets are rolling without one, and if you’re trying to win bring in a 37 year old point guard like a Lowry just to run your bench


I always like TJ McConnell as backup pg. Great defense, pass first, crafty mid range shooter

Ricky Rubio pre-injury last year was pretty good too
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Post#23 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:58 pm

His numbers are better when he played more which won't happen on this team at least. Using him as off ball shooter isn't his style, not sure why they picked him. Heavy ISO offense with little ball movement desnt utilize his skills. Defensively, he hasn't been good.
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Post#24 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:00 pm

tell us something we don't already know.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#25 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:00 pm

Keep flynn for the tank
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Post#26 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:01 pm

ItsDanger wrote:His numbers are better when he played more which won't happen on this team at least. Using him as off ball shooter isn't his style, not sure why they picked him. Heavy ISO offense with little ball movement desnt utilize his skills. Defensively, he hasn't been good.


Except that isn't true. His biggest stretch was December where he played 218 minutes over 10 games with a TS of 49%.
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Post#27 » by Indeed » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:04 pm

Have been saying this since his rookie season, he is not able to create separation for his shot. It was a weak draft, so we kind of expected.

Hard to blame Nurse playing high minutes with our starters, particularly with injuries to Porter and Achiuwa.
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Post#28 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:04 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:His numbers are better when he played more which won't happen on this team at least. Using him as off ball shooter isn't his style, not sure why they picked him. Heavy ISO offense with little ball movement desnt utilize his skills. Defensively, he hasn't been good.


Except that isn't true. His biggest stretch was December where he played 218 minutes over 10 games with a TS of 49%.

Look at his career numbers when playing >20 minutes, it's a 38 game sample. They're solid. He's the type that needs to play more to play better. That's not conducive to a back up role though.
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Post#29 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:05 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:His numbers are better when he played more which won't happen on this team at least. Using him as off ball shooter isn't his style, not sure why they picked him. Heavy ISO offense with little ball movement desnt utilize his skills. Defensively, he hasn't been good.


Except that isn't true. His biggest stretch was December where he played 218 minutes over 10 games with a TS of 49%.

Look at his career numbers when playing >20 minutes, it's a 38 game sample. They're solid. He's the type that needs to play more to play better. That's not conducive to a back up role though.


And he isn't even close to sniffing a starting role, anywhere. So Flynn has to figure out how to be a backup.

You can't play a **** player more minutes because he might become a bad player. Doesn't work that way.
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Post#30 » by Indeed » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:06 pm

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Oakvillehoops wrote:Couldn’t name many teams/player who have a good back up point guard.

It seems like a near impossible position to fill, most back up point guards in the league are borderline to get cut from the nba.

Best bets are rolling without one, and if you’re trying to win bring in a 37 year old point guard like a Lowry just to run your bench


I always like TJ McConnell as backup pg. Great defense, pass first, crafty mid range shooter

Ricky Rubio pre-injury last year was pretty good too


I just don't think McConnell will be enough for us to be a better team. I think we need someone like Rozier who can put more rim pressure.

Rubio was signed by the Cavs, they need him for the PnR to utilize their big.
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Re: Malachi ain't it... 

Post#31 » by Mak » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:07 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:His numbers are better when he played more which won't happen on this team at least. Using him as off ball shooter isn't his style, not sure why they picked him. Heavy ISO offense with little ball movement desnt utilize his skills. Defensively, he hasn't been good.


Except that isn't true. His biggest stretch was December where he played 218 minutes over 10 games with a TS of 49%.

Look at his career numbers when playing >20 minutes, it's a 38 game sample. They're solid. He's the type that needs to play more to play better. That's not conducive to a back up role though.


yes, his numbers as a starter were pretty good last year, if we trade Fred I want to see him get 25-30 mpg to play out the season.
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Post#32 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:09 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Except that isn't true. His biggest stretch was December where he played 218 minutes over 10 games with a TS of 49%.

Look at his career numbers when playing >20 minutes, it's a 38 game sample. They're solid. He's the type that needs to play more to play better. That's not conducive to a back up role though.


And he isn't even close to sniffing a starting role, anywhere. So Flynn has to figure out how to be a backup.

You can't play a **** player more minutes because he might become a bad player. Doesn't work that way.

The point is, some players play better a little tired, more in the flow of the game, not afraid of getting pulled, etc. Anyways, this style of player is more useful when using ball screen offense more, not ISO and chucking. They must have known that when picking him which makes you wonder about management.
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Post#33 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:11 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Look at his career numbers when playing >20 minutes, it's a 38 game sample. They're solid. He's the type that needs to play more to play better. That's not conducive to a back up role though.


And he isn't even close to sniffing a starting role, anywhere. So Flynn has to figure out how to be a backup.

You can't play a **** player more minutes because he might become a bad player. Doesn't work that way.

The point is, some players play better a little tired, more in the flow of the game, not afraid of getting pulled, etc. Anyways, this style of player is more useful when using ball screen offense more, not ISO and chucking. They must have known that when picking him which makes you wonder about management.


Good players play well, bad players play badly. It's that simple.

The 'more minutes' is an excuse with an incredibly small sample size. 19 games over the last two seasons with mixed results.
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Post#34 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:14 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:
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And he isn't even close to sniffing a starting role, anywhere. So Flynn has to figure out how to be a backup.

You can't play a **** player more minutes because he might become a bad player. Doesn't work that way.

The point is, some players play better a little tired, more in the flow of the game, not afraid of getting pulled, etc. Anyways, this style of player is more useful when using ball screen offense more, not ISO and chucking. They must have known that when picking him which makes you wonder about management.


Good players play well, bad players play badly. It's that simple.

The 'more minutes' is an excuse with an incredibly small sample size. 19 games over the last two seasons with mixed results.

Numbers are there, and the contrast requires explanation. However in his role on this team, that's not adequate. Needs to produce in limited minutes.
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Post#35 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:15 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:The point is, some players play better a little tired, more in the flow of the game, not afraid of getting pulled, etc. Anyways, this style of player is more useful when using ball screen offense more, not ISO and chucking. They must have known that when picking him which makes you wonder about management.


Good players play well, bad players play badly. It's that simple.

The 'more minutes' is an excuse with an incredibly small sample size. 19 games over the last two seasons with mixed results.

Numbers are there, and the contrast requires explanation. However in his role on this team, that's not adequate. Needs to produce in limited minutes.


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Incredibly small sample size with non-definitive results. The numbers aren't there.
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Post#36 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:18 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Good players play well, bad players play badly. It's that simple.

The 'more minutes' is an excuse with an incredibly small sample size. 19 games over the last two seasons with mixed results.

Numbers are there, and the contrast requires explanation. However in his role on this team, that's not adequate. Needs to produce in limited minutes.


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Incredibly small sample size with non-definitive results. The numbers aren't there.

I clearly stated career numbers. 38 games >20 minutes. My point doesn't really contradict your opening statement. The fact is, he won't get those minutes on this team and he needs to be productive in 10-12 minutes,
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Post#37 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:22 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Numbers are there, and the contrast requires explanation. However in his role on this team, that's not adequate. Needs to produce in limited minutes.


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Incredibly small sample size with non-definitive results. The numbers aren't there.

I clearly stated career numbers. 38 games >20 minutes. My point doesn't really contradict your opening statement. The fact is, he won't get those minutes on this team and he needs to be productive in 10-12 minutes,


He won't get those minutes on ANY NBA team. He's not an NBA player at this rate.

I get the narrative of pushing that Nurse is holding this kid back. He isn't.

He's inconsistent because he's not good. Not because of some minute and flow distribution.
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Post#38 » by Agimat » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:26 pm

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Post#39 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:27 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
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Incredibly small sample size with non-definitive results. The numbers aren't there.

I clearly stated career numbers. 38 games >20 minutes. My point doesn't really contradict your opening statement. The fact is, he won't get those minutes on this team and he needs to be productive in 10-12 minutes,


He won't get those minutes on ANY NBA team. He's not an NBA player at this rate.

I get the narrative of pushing that Nurse is holding this kid back. He isn't.

He's inconsistent because he's not good. Not because of some minute and flow distribution.


It's not crazy to say that players will perform better if they play more minutes. And, generally, when someone is playing well, Nurse plays them more minutes. But Flynn's splits don't really show him performing better the more minutes he plays, especially this season.
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Post#40 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:27 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Numbers are there, and the contrast requires explanation. However in his role on this team, that's not adequate. Needs to produce in limited minutes.


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Incredibly small sample size with non-definitive results. The numbers aren't there.

I clearly stated career numbers. 38 games >20 minutes. My point doesn't really contradict your opening statement. The fact is, he won't get those minutes on this team and he needs to be productive in 10-12 minutes,

His numbers when he plays > 20 minutes are not even good though. What am I missing here?

40+ mins - 3 games - 19/4/7 on 49.9TS% (EW)
30+ mins - 17 games - 14/5/5 - 51.6TS%
20+ mins - 18 games - 10/3/2 - 57.1TS%

So overall just guesstimating here is a below average efficiency player when playing 20+ mins who is turnstile on defense and does not do much of anything with the ball
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