JVL vs Ramsey

[Duffman100]

Ochai "looks" like he can defend 1-3 like a Bruce Bowen and should stick to the corner 3. He's more of a poor man's OG, but likely more useful that JFL or Ramsey.

Ramsey looks like GPIII to me. I'd personally rather have that, over a SF who shoots 25% from three. But, that's me.

As opposed to Ramsey, who shoots 25.5% from 3
in the NBA?

Ochai isn’t even shooting 25% from 3.

[LoveMyRaps]

Are we sure Ochai's better than either?

Low IQ comment.

[Dennis 37]

Who gives a sh*t at this point as we have 3 high draft picks coming next season, these guys will be fighting for scraps at next year's training camp.

There isn't much point in getting to excited about either. No matter how bad this draft is, the players picked should have a higher ceiling.

[Dennis 37]

I knew this season might get dark, but this thread is way beyond the depths i could have guessed

You're not new here.

[bluerap23]

Missed game yesterday. I see Ramsey started but only played 18 mins while BB got 30+ off the bench. Any reason for that?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Ramsey looks like GPIII to me. I'd personally rather have that, over a SF who shoots 25% from three. But, that's me.

As opposed to Ramsey, who shoots 25.5% from 3
in the NBA?

Ochai isn’t even shooting 25% from 3.

I know Ochai can't shoot, he's getting 30+ minutes now and for example 0 for 5 attempts last night. He's not an NBA player.

This might also be the case with Ramsey. It could also just be an opportunity thing.

If they can't shoot 32%+ at this point, why even waste a roster spot.

[Duffman100]

As opposed to Ramsey, who shoots 25.5% from 3
in the NBA?

Ochai isn’t even shooting 25% from 3.

I know Ochai can't shoot, he's getting 30+ minutes now and for example 0 for 5 attempts last night. He's not an NBA player.

This might also be the case with Ramsey. It could also just be an opportunity thing.

If they can't shoot 32%+ at this point, why even waste a roster spot.

Because... players sometimes get better?

[Johnny Bball]

As opposed to Ramsey, who shoots 25.5% from 3
in the NBA?

Ochai isn’t even shooting 25% from 3.

I know Ochai can't shoot, he's getting 30+ minutes now and for example 0 for 5 attempts last night. He's not an NBA player.

This might also be the case with Ramsey. It could also just be an opportunity thing.

If they can't shoot 32%+ at this point, why even waste a roster spot.

Wow that's dumb.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Ochai isn’t even shooting 25% from 3.

I know Ochai can't shoot, he's getting 30+ minutes now and for example 0 for 5 attempts last night. He's not an NBA player.

This might also be the case with Ramsey. It could also just be an opportunity thing.

If they can't shoot 32%+ at this point, why even waste a roster spot.

Because... players sometimes get better?

When? Not 3-4 years after their draft.

[Duffman100]

I know Ochai can't shoot, he's getting 30+ minutes now and for example 0 for 5 attempts last night. He's not an NBA player.

This might also be the case with Ramsey. It could also just be an opportunity thing.

If they can't shoot 32%+ at this point, why even waste a roster spot.

Because... players sometimes get better?

When? Not 3-4 years after their draft.

um yes they do.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Because... players sometimes get better?

When? Not 3-4 years after their draft.

um yes they do.

Progressively, sure. But, that's not happening here. He's getting worse.

Was he just not practicing threes the last four years.

[Duffman100]

When? Not 3-4 years after their draft.

um yes they do.

Progressively, sure. But, that's not happening here. He's getting worse.

Was he just not practicing threes the last four years.

Except he got better over his time in college in both FT and 3P%. This year he has regressed.

Just like the 25% comment, you're wrong / not actuallly looking up stats.

One thing that is interesting is FT% and 3p%.

College:
69 / 31
67 / 34
69 / 38
74 / 41

NBA
81 /35
71 (75 with Utah) / 31 (33 with Utah)

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

um yes they do.

Progressively, sure. But, that's not happening here. He's getting worse.

Was he just not practicing threes the last four years.

Except he got better over his time in college in both FT and 3P%. This year he has regressed.

Just like the 25% comment, you're wrong / not actuallly looking up stats.

One thing that is interesting is FT% and 3p%.

College:
69 / 31
67 / 34
69 / 38
74 / 41

NBA
81 /35
71 (75 with Utah) / 31 (33 with Utah)

It's his size too, it's not just the shot. He's a decent defender at SG, but he's too small for a SF. He's average against bigger SF's and most are 6'7"-6'9". He's generously listed at 6'5". He's not an OG replacement on either end.

So, then it becomes do you see him at SG or PG. Those are more natural positions for his size. Maybe slide him to guard and have him stop shooting.

[Duffman100]

Progressively, sure. But, that's not happening here. He's getting worse.

Was he just not practicing threes the last four years.

Except he got better over his time in college in both FT and 3P%. This year he has regressed.

Just like the 25% comment, you're wrong / not actuallly looking up stats.

One thing that is interesting is FT% and 3p%.

College:
69 / 31
67 / 34
69 / 38
74 / 41

NBA
81 /35
71 (75 with Utah) / 31 (33 with Utah)

It's his size too, it's not just the shot. He's a decent defender at SG, but he's too small for a SF. He's average against bigger SF's and most are 6'7"-6'9". He's generously listed at 6'5". He's not an OG replacement on either end.

So, then it becomes do you see him at SG or PG. Those are more natural positions for his size. Maybe slide him to guard and have him stop shooting.

What does “generpusly listed” even mean? I need a new argument so I devalue legitimate combine measurements?

With shoes he’s listed at 6’5 75. So nearly 6’6 with a 6’10 wingspan. That’s enough size to guard 1-3. Maybe small ball 4.

Nobody is replacing OG. But Ochai can be a solid rotation player. He guarded Shai well and defend Banchero well in the first game we played them.

[Morse Code]

Are we sure Ochai's better than either?

Absolutely not. He's **** awful. Like worst player in the league type awful

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[islandboy53]

Progressively, sure. But, that's not happening here. He's getting worse.

Was he just not practicing threes the last four years.

Except he got better over his time in college in both FT and 3P%. This year he has regressed.

Just like the 25% comment, you're wrong / not actuallly looking up stats.

One thing that is interesting is FT% and 3p%.

College:
69 / 31
67 / 34
69 / 38
74 / 41

NBA
81 /35
71 (75 with Utah) / 31 (33 with Utah)

It's his size too, it's not just the shot. He's a decent defender at SG, but he's too small for a SF. He's average against bigger SF's and most are 6'7"-6'9". He's generously listed at 6'5". He's not an OG replacement on either end.

So, then it becomes do you see him at SG or PG. Those are more natural positions for his size. Maybe slide him to guard and have him stop shooting.

This is Agbaji's 2nd year in the league, not his 5th. His shooting has regressed this year, especially here, but, looking at his shot, there's no reason to think he won't become a good shooter. Many, if not most, players take time to develop their shots, and sophomore slumps are a very real thing. On our team alone, Barnes is almost at league average from 3 after a weak rookie year and a very weak sophomore campaign, Quickley was good in his rookie year, regressed in year 2, and has been above average since, and Barrett has been up and down, but has seen a nice improvement in Toronto.

With all of the injuries and other absences, the lineup is substantially undersized, which is why Agbaji has actually been lining up at 4 a lot. He's definitely small for that, but his strength allows him to do a passable job. He's certainly not OG, but that won't be his role in the future. As to shooting, he's taking 7 shots a game, of which 3 are 3's. As he grows into the system, and his 3 improves, that will be about right for his role in the offence.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Ochai's form looks decent but its just not going in. there is still a lot of work overall for him unfortutnately. he needs to go into the Gohlke school of shooting, i think that is putting up 1000 3's per day.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

I knew this season might get dark, but this thread is way beyond the depths i could have guessed

You're not new here.

Seen it all. JVL vs Ramsey is the most bottom of the barrel player comparison in my 17 years on this board.


And that includes a thread I recall in ‘06 about Pape Sow vs Loren Woods.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Except he got better over his time in college in both FT and 3P%. This year he has regressed.

Just like the 25% comment, you're wrong / not actuallly looking up stats.

It's his size too, it's not just the shot. He's a decent defender at SG, but he's too small for a SF. He's average against bigger SF's and most are 6'7"-6'9". He's generously listed at 6'5". He's not an OG replacement on either end.

So, then it becomes do you see him at SG or PG. Those are more natural positions for his size. Maybe slide him to guard and have him stop shooting.

What does “generpusly listed” even mean? I need a new argument so I devalue legitimate combine measurements?

With shoes he’s listed at 6’5 75. So nearly 6’6 with a 6’10 wingspan. That’s enough size to guard 1-3. Maybe small ball 4.

Nobody is replacing OG. But Ochai can be a solid rotation player. He guarded Shai well and defend Banchero well in the first game we played them.

It means he's a SG, not a SF. 6'5" makes him not really that special as a SF. He got torched by Orlando, we didn't see the same game.

He guards down, not up. I have a hard time telling the difference between him and Ramsey, size wise tbh

[ill-Will03]

Why are we acting like Abagji is some 5 year nba vet? This is literally his 2nd year in the league. And he definitely has room to improve while already being a plus defender