PG: 13 Game Losing Streak

[Duffman100]

I didn't want the trade and still don't like the trade. Timing and fit wise it just didn't make sense and really reeked of a FO being told to drive revenue.

I really like Poeltl. I think his value as a center is often underrated by many people and he's really good. Top 15 for sure, at times can appear in the top 12. The perception of Poeltl is being driven by the trade.

At 19.5 flat, he's a great value contract going forward.

I was fine with the trade initially because I thought we were going to continue to build with Scottie/Siakam/OG, but it's looking more and more like a very questionable trade due to its timing (Siakam and OG up for big contracts then eventually traded) as well as the lack of protection on the pick. I like Poeltl as a player and it is clear his impact is well worth the ~20M/year (we're 36-40 with Poeltl since the trade and 2-22 with him out of the lineup), but last year's pick (which could have been top 10) and this year's pick (or next year's pick, whichever ends up conveying) are always going to be talking points when it comes to Poeltl's contributions to the team. I don't think it's near as big of a deal as most because the chances of us landing Wemby were extremely miniscule and Gradey would still have been a great pick around 10, but it kind of took away a lot of flexibility.

100%.

Lottery protect that **** ing pick. Top 14, top 10, THEN top 6. the Protections just didn't make sense to me.

[Pointgod]

"Tanking" just to lose the pick because Masai and Bobby wanted their top 10 center

Getting a top ten centre is a great outcome as we are probably going to end up giving away a 16-17 pick next year. And then we end up getting a top six pick this year....man TWO is sure hard to please. Lots of fine young vet assets and Scottie Barnes. Plus a high pick, and two more picks this year? Masai and co. Did a great job

This level of Homerism is crazy

The mind of a Masai apologist is fascinating lol.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

"Tanking" just to lose the pick because Masai and Bobby wanted their top 10 center

Getting a top ten centre is a great outcome as we are probably going to end up giving away a 16-17 pick next year. And then we end up getting a top six pick this year....man TWO is sure hard to please. Lots of fine young vet assets and Scottie Barnes. Plus a high pick, and two more picks this year? Masai and co. Did a great job

Theres a 54% chance right now that we lose the pick for this year.

And a 46 percent chance we do. Half this board has advocated on a yearly basis that we tank an entire season for a 14.5 percent chance at the top pick - the shifting sands of TWO are hilarious - clearly so bitter that there "theory" has worked as much as a broken clock does per day.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Getting a top ten centre is a great outcome as we are probably going to end up giving away a 16-17 pick next year. And then we end up getting a top six pick this year....man TWO is sure hard to please. Lots of fine young vet assets and Scottie Barnes. Plus a high pick, and two more picks this year? Masai and co. Did a great job

This level of Homerism is crazy

The mind of a Masai apologist is fascinating lol.

Not as fascinating as a bunch who denies the evidence that we have been a top team over the past decade including a championship.

[Chandan]

Getting a top ten centre is a great outcome as we are probably going to end up giving away a 16-17 pick next year. And then we end up getting a top six pick this year....man TWO is sure hard to please. Lots of fine young vet assets and Scottie Barnes. Plus a high pick, and two more picks this year? Masai and co. Did a great job

Theres a 54% chance right now that we lose the pick for this year.

And a 46 percent chance we do. Half this board has advocated on a yearly basis that we tank an entire season for a 14.5 percent chance at the top pick - the shifting sands of TWO are hilarious - clearly so bitter that there "theory" has worked as much as a broken clock does per day.

14.5% for a generational player that could be a dynasty building block? sign me up. If you dont even try you are a moron.
There are 30 teams in the league,14% chance is gigantic for a move that allows a team to have a overwhelming advantage against the rest of the playing field.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Theres a 54% chance right now that we lose the pick for this year.

And a 46 percent chance we do. Half this board has advocated on a yearly basis that we tank an entire season for a 14.5 percent chance at the top pick - the shifting sands of TWO are hilarious - clearly so bitter that there "theory" has worked as much as a broken clock does per day.

14.5% for a generational player that could be a dynasty building block? sign me up. If you dont even try you are a moron.
There are 30 teams in the league,14% chance is gigantic for a move that allows a team to have a overwhelming advantage against the rest of the playing field.

Hahaha, it's not 14.5% and you automatically get a generational player. It's a 14.5% chance to get appx a 30% chance of actually getting a superstar. I'll let you all do that math, but those are terrible odds.

And you destroy your team in the process....

[t54zhao]

Theres a 54% chance right now that we lose the pick for this year.

And a 46 percent chance we do. Half this board has advocated on a yearly basis that we tank an entire season for a 14.5 percent chance at the top pick - the shifting sands of TWO are hilarious - clearly so bitter that there "theory" has worked as much as a broken clock does per day.

14.5% for a generational player that could be a dynasty building block? sign me up. If you dont even try you are a moron.
There are 30 teams in the league,14% chance is gigantic for a move that allows a team to have a overwhelming advantage against the rest of the playing field.

14.5% chance for a player who COULD be a generational player.

[DelAbbot]

This level of Homerism is crazy

The mind of a Masai apologist is fascinating lol.

Not as fascinating as a bunch who denies the evidence that we have been a top team over the past decade including a championship.

No one is denying we had been a good team who won championship pre 2020. We are just saying Masai did all that by the assets BC left him and pure luck - as he has exposed himself as a BC level executive since 2021

[Duffman100]

The mind of a Masai apologist is fascinating lol.

Not as fascinating as a bunch who denies the evidence that we have been a top team over the past decade including a championship.

No one is denying we had been a good team who won championship pre 2020. We are just saying Masai did all that by the assets BC left him and pure luck - as he has exposed himself as a BC level executive since 2021

Which is a pretty insane comment to make.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The mind of a Masai apologist is fascinating lol.

Not as fascinating as a bunch who denies the evidence that we have been a top team over the past decade including a championship.

No one is denying we had been a good team who won championship pre 2020. We are just saying Masai did all that by the assets BC left him and pure luck - as he has exposed himself as a BC level executive since 2021

I don't know where to start - so Masai only did well in part because of the great assets BC left him. So Masai = bad, BC = good. Then Masai = BC the past few years, which = bad. So Masai= BC = both good and bad? Seems like a bit of a math problem.

[Duffman100]

Not as fascinating as a bunch who denies the evidence that we have been a top team over the past decade including a championship.

No one is denying we had been a good team who won championship pre 2020. We are just saying Masai did all that by the assets BC left him and pure luck - as he has exposed himself as a BC level executive since 2021

I don't know where to start - so Masai only did well in part because of the great assets BC left him. So Masai = bad, BC = good. Then Masai = BC the past few years, which = bad. So Masai= BC = both good and bad? Seems like a bit of a math problem.

Must mean that Masai is going to use the assets that Masai has left himself and build another championship contender.

[Mr Funk]

Let’s go boys, keep the losses coming. Unfortunately with RJ coming back (team should have fought harder for him to sit out but I get it, he probably wants to comeback for his mental health) and some of these teams likely taking their foot off the gas I could see a win or two. Hope im wrong. Need Memphis to beat Detroit for some additional cushion.

Couldn't agree more. Lose as much as possible and hopefully Memphis wins some games.

[Duffman100]

Quickley is a probable tomorrow? (says my fantasy team)

[tecumseh18]

No one is denying we had been a good team who won championship pre 2020. We are just saying Masai did all that by the assets BC left him and pure luck - as he has exposed himself as a BC level executive since 2021

I don't know where to start - so Masai only did well in part because of the great assets BC left him. So Masai = bad, BC = good. Then Masai = BC the past few years, which = bad. So Masai= BC = both good and bad? Seems like a bit of a math problem.

Must mean that Masai is going to use the assets that Masai has left himself and build another championship contender.

Wow, after the 2016, 2017 and 2021 drafts, I did not expect to see the "trust fund baby" argument rear its repulsive head again on this board. But here we are. Between 2006 and 2012, Colangelo picked Bargnani, DeMar, Ed Davis, JV and T-Ross in the first round. What do those lottery picks all have in common? None of them have even been to the Finals, let alone won the championship. That's the trust fund that Bryan left Masai?

OK, Kyle was a good get. Everyone knew he was available from the Rockets. Colangelo could have used the 2012 FRP to acquire Kyle, but instead he uses the 2013 pick. If Masai had the 2013 pick at his disposal, can we all agree that he undoubtedly would have picked Giannis. Also, can we agree that Masai would have been reluctant to part with the 2013 pick for that reason? So the difference between Colangelo and Masai is the difference between having T-Ross and Kyle, and having Giannis and Kyle. Which duo would you rather have?

[edit] And if we're going to relitigate the Jak trade yet again, recall that the Spurs were demanding TWO first round picks for him. Masai, who thought a pairing of Jak with his buddy Pascal, plus OG, Scottie and Fred, was at least a playoff team this season, opted to instead give up a lightly protected first. In retrospect, it was a mistake. But only in retrospect.

[C_Money]

Quickley is a probable tomorrow? (says my fantasy team)

Both him and Barrett

[720]

Bro wtf, IQ might come back too? Just shut these guys down wth. Playin is not an option, at this point it’s about getting as many losses as possible.

[MiamiSPX]

Bro wtf, IQ might come back too? Just shut these guys down wth. Playin is not an option, at this point it’s about getting as many losses as possible.

Relax, AD has been on a tear and we have nobody that can stop him tomorrow. Beyond that, the only possible winnable game we have is against WASH at home. We will lose every other game, in most cases badly.

Memphis still plays DET twice.

[720]

Bro wtf, IQ might come back too? Just shut these guys down wth. Playin is not an option, at this point it’s about getting as many losses as possible.

Relax, AD has been on a tear and we have nobody that can stop him tomorrow. Beyond that, the only possible winnable game we have is against WASH at home. We will lose every other game, in most cases badly.

Memphis still plays DET twice.

I’m looking at the Washington game as a win if RJ and IQ play. Memphis has to win one of those two Detroit games imo.

[ConSarnit]

I don't know where to start - so Masai only did well in part because of the great assets BC left him. So Masai = bad, BC = good. Then Masai = BC the past few years, which = bad. So Masai= BC = both good and bad? Seems like a bit of a math problem.

Must mean that Masai is going to use the assets that Masai has left himself and build another championship contender.

Wow, after the 2016, 2017 and 2021 drafts, I did not expect to see the "trust fund baby" argument rear its repulsive head again on this board. But here we are. Between 2006 and 2012, Colangelo picked Bargnani, DeMar, Ed Davis, JV and T-Ross in the first round. What do those lottery picks all have in common? None of them have even been to the Finals, let alone won the championship. That's the trust fund that Bryan left Masai?

OK, Kyle was a good get. Everyone knew he was available from the Rockets. Colangelo could have used the 2012 FRP to acquire Kyle, but instead he uses the 2013 pick. If Masai had the 2013 pick at his disposal, can we all agree that he undoubtedly would have picked Giannis. Also, can we agree that Masai would have been reluctant to part with the 2013 pick for that reason? So the difference between Colangelo and Masai is the difference between having T-Ross and Kyle, and having Giannis and Kyle. Which duo would you rather have?

[edit] And if we're going to relitigate the Jak trade yet again, recall that the Spurs were demanding TWO first round picks for him. Masai, who thought a pairing of Jak with his buddy Pascal, plus OG, Scottie and Fred, was at least a playoff team this season, opted to instead give up a lightly protected first. In retrospect, it was a mistake. But only in retrospect.

How was the Poeltl trade only a mistake in retrospect? A large contingent on this board called
it a mistake immediately after it happened. There were immediate questions about his fit due to the lack of shooting when paired with Siakam and Barnes. There were also smaller questions about tying up our draft for multiple seasons. The trade was criticized at the time and a lot of those criticisms proved valid.

[TimeForChange]

Quickley is a probable tomorrow? (says my fantasy team)

Both him and Barrett

nice.

need some wins.