Porter under investigation for prop betting involving himself

wegotthabeet · Post #461 » by **wegotthabeet** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 12:27 am

Still think it’s crazy to have player props on fringe NBA talents. Guess there’s no way to regulate this, but there shouldn’t be prop bets on guys making the league min or less than the MLE even. It’s just inviting situations like this. Maybe he was bated to be scapegoated. All it takes is one guy to bite.

beanbag · Post #462 » by **beanbag** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:17 am

Porter putting down a prop bet on over 5 years in jail and knocking over a liquor store to make sure it conveys.

MiamiSPX · Post #463 » by **MiamiSPX** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:09 pm

As others have said, there is jut no way there was a crime syndicate behind this. They are well aware that these prop bets would have raised red flags.

Hate to judge someone before all the details come out, but this doesn't look good for Porter. This would be an extremely unlikely, and almost impossible, coincidence.

tecumseh18 · Post #464 » by **tecumseh18** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 5:32 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:Still think it’s crazy to have player props on fringe NBA talents. Guess there’s no way to regulate this, but there shouldn’t be prop bets on guys making the league min or less than the MLE even. It’s just inviting situations like this. Maybe he was bated to be scapegoated. All it takes is one guy to bite.

Yeah, I'm not a gambler (I've learned how stupid and possibly rigged it is), but it seems strange that prop bets don't have a minimum minutes restriction - e.g the player has to play at least 24 minutes, or the prop bet is a push. So a guy like Jontay playing 24 minutes would have to purposely not take or miss shots and avoid rebounds (hah, he can still box out) in order to make the under, which is another level of evil and would guarantee he'd never be allowed to play again.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #465 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 6:38 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Rumours? NBA Chev's youtube channel.

Just listened to half of it, the guy just rants repetitively with no evidence. May well be right but doesn't back anything up

To imagine Chev keeps his sources protected elicits laughter but it was the first tidbit of Jontay news to discuss the level of hustle and windfall. Chev is a hybrid Lakers-Raps fan. Must've killed him to see Dennis fly. With the money.

wegotthabeet · Post #466 » by **wegotthabeet** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:56 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:Still think it’s crazy to have player props on fringe NBA talents. Guess there’s no way to regulate this, but there shouldn’t be prop bets on guys making the league min or less than the MLE even. It’s just inviting situations like this. Maybe he was bated to be scapegoated. All it takes is one guy to bite.

Yeah, I'm not a gambler (I've learned how stupid and possibly rigged it is), but it seems strange that prop bets don't have a minimum minutes restriction - e.g the player has to play at least 24 minutes, or the prop bet is a push. So a guy like Jontay playing 24 minutes would have to purposely not take or miss shots and avoid rebounds (hah, he can still box out) in order to make the under, which is another level of evil and would guarantee he'd never be allowed to play again.

Great suggestion. That would prevent this type of thing from happening.

Johnny Bball · Post #467 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:19 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:What would have happened if draft Kings and these other legal sites had been around when Tim Donaghy was betting?

They would have caught him before the FBI and NBA.

refshateRaps · Post #468 » by **refshateRaps** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:20 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:What would have happened if draft Kings and these other legal sites had been around when Tim Donaghy was betting?

Nothing outside of creating more degenerates in this world. The refereeing would have been equally as sus.

WaltFrazier · Post #469 » by **WaltFrazier** » Tue Apr 2, 2024 12:41 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:What would have happened if draft Kings and these other legal sites had been around when Tim Donaghy was betting?

They would have caught him before the FBI and NBA.

Maybe but Donaghy wasn't caught by unusual betting patterns like Jontay

Johnny Bball · Post #470 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Apr 2, 2024 12:53 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:What would have happened if draft Kings and these other legal sites had been around when Tim Donaghy was betting?

They would have caught him before the FBI and NBA.

Maybe but Donaghy wasn't caught by unusual betting patterns like Jontay

There were other betters that noticed the pattern in the lines and scores that piggybacked on those games, so I'm sure today's legal bookies would have caught it in a second.

Johnny Bball · Post #471 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Apr 2, 2024 9:00 pm

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/4/2/24117626/jontay-porter-nba-gambling-scandal-player-props

WaltFrazier · Post #472 » by **WaltFrazier** » Wed Apr 3, 2024 11:25 pm

From a dry humor youtuber, but pretty damning take on Jontay here

Watch on YouTube

On the other hand there's this take on reddit:

This Jontay Porter thing seems like sour grapes on behalf of the Sportsbooks and their Co-Conspirators in the National Media
As we all know, the national media has sold their souls to the gambling companies and will do the bidding of the sportsbooks and try to dupe gambling addicts and unsuspecting teenagers into making prop bets and horrendous parlays to profit off the new sports gambling world.

Now they have sour grapes from getting their asses handed to them by some smart people betting on Jontay Porter prop bets and have sent their pawns at ESPN to do a hit job on Jontay Porter.

It was public info that Jontay Porter suffered an eye injury against the Grizzlies and was then questionable for the next game against the Clippers. Betting on a blind man whose already a mediocre three point shooter, and who is questionable to play because of his injury to not make a three point shot is just a smart prop bet.

Even more egregious is the March 20th game against the Kings, where everyone hit his unders and won because of the illness. DraftKings and ESPN would love for you to believe he tipped people off about being sick and leaving early, but the more obvious explanation is that they set a completely idiotic line and got their asses handed to them as a result.

Per ESPN, the SportsBooks set his over/under at 7.5 points and 5.5 rebounds.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues

For the season, Porter has went over on the points 7 times versus 19 times under (26.9% over). He's hit the over on the rebounds 5 times versus 21 under (19.2% over). Even parlaying those together, you have a 58.6% probability of both happening in the same game.

It's not a surprise that some smart gambling addicts would find a poorly set line and then hammer them on those.

On top of this, this also benefits Adam Silver, also in bed with the gambling companies, by deflecting attention away from the referees, who there have been concrete proof of being involved on betting on games. With this he targeted Jontay Porter, a scrub from a relatively unpopular family because of their anti-vax and manslaughter brother. A very easy scapegoat. This has the added benefit of also potentially getting NBA fans to turn on Michael Porter Jr., which would allow the betting refs to screw the Nuggets over in the NBA Finals against the Boston Celtics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/1bnuh70/this_jontay_porter_thing_seems_like_sour_grapes/

mihaic · Post #473 » by **mihaic** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 2:39 am

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/michael-porter-jr-comments-on-nba-investigation-into-toronto-raptors-center-jontay-porter

MPJ thinks his brother wouldn't do it.

disoblige · Post #474 » by **disoblige** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 5:35 am

mihaic wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/michael-porter-jr-comments-on-nba-investigation-into-toronto-raptors-center-jontay-porter

MPJ thinks his brother wouldn't do it.

Duh they are family. Most family member says this.

Fairview4Life · Post #475 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 12:50 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:On the other hand there's this take on reddit:

This Jontay Porter thing seems like sour grapes on behalf of the Sportsbooks and their Co-Conspirators in the National Media
As we all know, the national media has sold their souls to the gambling companies and will do the bidding of the sportsbooks and try to dupe gambling addicts and unsuspecting teenagers into making prop bets and horrendous parlays to profit off the new sports gambling world.

Now they have sour grapes from getting their asses handed to them by some smart people betting on Jontay Porter prop bets and have sent their pawns at ESPN to do a hit job on Jontay Porter.

It was public info that Jontay Porter suffered an eye injury against the Grizzlies and was then questionable for the next game against the Clippers. Betting on a blind man whose already a mediocre three point shooter, and who is questionable to play because of his injury to not make a three point shot is just a smart prop bet.

Even more egregious is the March 20th game against the Kings, where everyone hit his unders and won because of the illness. DraftKings and ESPN would love for you to believe he tipped people off about being sick and leaving early, but the more obvious explanation is that they set a completely idiotic line and got their asses handed to them as a result.

Per ESPN, the SportsBooks set his over/under at 7.5 points and 5.5 rebounds.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues

For the season, Porter has went over on the points 7 times versus 19 times under (26.9% over). He's hit the over on the rebounds 5 times versus 21 under (19.2% over). Even parlaying those together, you have a 58.6% probability of both happening in the same game.

It's not a surprise that some smart gambling addicts would find a poorly set line and then hammer them on those.

On top of this, this also benefits Adam Silver, also in bed with the gambling companies, by deflecting attention away from the referees, who there have been concrete proof of being involved on betting on games. With this he targeted Jontay Porter, a scrub from a relatively unpopular family because of their anti-vax and manslaughter brother. A very easy scapegoat. This has the added benefit of also potentially getting NBA fans to turn on Michael Porter Jr., which would allow the betting refs to screw the Nuggets over in the NBA Finals against the Boston Celtics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/1bnuh70/this_jontay_porter_thing_seems_like_sour_grapes/

That's a very stupid take. The idea that gamblers found a badly set line on Jontay **** Porter and then hammered it to beat the house is just flat out silly. Just because he was under the points/rebound lines in previous games doesn't mean **** all when the Raps were missing bigs and he was going to get lots of minutes in both of the games he left. If he was under so much previously, why weren't gamblers winning big on those lines as well? Because it's Jontay Porter! no one bets on that ****. The fact he left both games with "injuries" is exactly how you can tell the lines being set where they were had nothing to do with it. They guaranteed the winnings by him playing a little bit and then leaving the games, which is why those lines were hammered. It's goddamn amateur hour rigging. Any time a large amount of money is being bet on Jontay Porter over/unders, you can absolutely guarantee it's bull ****.

PushDaRock · Post #476 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 1:58 pm

The longer this investigation goes on, the better his odds of getting out of this. I thought he was dead in the water when this first came out but maybe a very tiny glimmer of hope right now for him.

YogurtProducer · Post #477 » by **YogurtProducer** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 2:38 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:On the other hand there's this take on reddit:

This Jontay Porter thing seems like sour grapes on behalf of the Sportsbooks and their Co-Conspirators in the National Media
As we all know, the national media has sold their souls to the gambling companies and will do the bidding of the sportsbooks and try to dupe gambling addicts and unsuspecting teenagers into making prop bets and horrendous parlays to profit off the new sports gambling world.

Now they have sour grapes from getting their asses handed to them by some smart people betting on Jontay Porter prop bets and have sent their pawns at ESPN to do a hit job on Jontay Porter.

It was public info that Jontay Porter suffered an eye injury against the Grizzlies and was then questionable for the next game against the Clippers. Betting on a blind man whose already a mediocre three point shooter, and who is questionable to play because of his injury to not make a three point shot is just a smart prop bet.

Even more egregious is the March 20th game against the Kings, where everyone hit his unders and won because of the illness. DraftKings and ESPN would love for you to believe he tipped people off about being sick and leaving early, but the more obvious explanation is that they set a completely idiotic line and got their asses handed to them as a result.

Per ESPN, the SportsBooks set his over/under at 7.5 points and 5.5 rebounds.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues

For the season, Porter has went over on the points 7 times versus 19 times under (26.9% over). He's hit the over on the rebounds 5 times versus 21 under (19.2% over). Even parlaying those together, you have a 58.6% probability of both happening in the same game.

It's not a surprise that some smart gambling addicts would find a poorly set line and then hammer them on those.

On top of this, this also benefits Adam Silver, also in bed with the gambling companies, by deflecting attention away from the referees, who there have been concrete proof of being involved on betting on games. With this he targeted Jontay Porter, a scrub from a relatively unpopular family because of their anti-vax and manslaughter brother. A very easy scapegoat. This has the added benefit of also potentially getting NBA fans to turn on Michael Porter Jr., which would allow the betting refs to screw the Nuggets over in the NBA Finals against the Boston Celtics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/1bnuh70/this_jontay_porter_thing_seems_like_sour_grapes/

That's a very stupid take. The idea that gamblers found a badly set line on Jontay **** Porter and then hammered it to beat the house is just flat out silly. Just because he was under the points/rebound lines in previous games doesn't mean **** all when the Raps were missing bigs and he was going to get lots of minutes in both of the games he left. If he was under so much previously, why weren't gamblers winning big on those lines as well? Because it's Jontay Porter! no one bets on that ****. The fact he left both games with "injuries" is exactly how you can tell the lines being set where they were had nothing to do with it. They guaranteed the winnings by him playing a little bit and then leaving the games, which is why those lines were hammered. It's goddamn amateur hour rigging. Any time a large amount of money is being bet on Jontay Porter over/unders, you can absolutely guarantee it's bull ****.

Man - you severely under estimate career gamblers who barely make their own decisions but rather have computers and algorithms doing it for them. I played a TON of daily fantasy and paid for some services. If these guys with 300 patereon subscribers can identify stuff like this, you can guarantee whales gambling thousands a night would be able to identify it.

pilkoids · Post #478 » by **pilkoids** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 2:50 pm

PushDaRock wrote:The longer this investigation goes on, the better his odds of getting out of this. I thought he was dead in the water when this first came out but maybe a very tiny glimmer of hope right now for him.

Isn't this the first instance of a player betting on himself? They'll take their time with this.

Potential · Post #479 » by **Potential** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 2:52 pm

Live betting is the way to go. Harden at 16 pts and 6 assists entering the 4th quarter yesterday. His live lines were 19.5 points and 7.5 assists. He needed 4 pts in the 4th and 2 assists in the 4th to hit those lines. With no Kawhi. Harden is trash and washed and bricked everything but he managed to get to 20 pts off of technical free throws and finished at 8 assists

rarefind · Post #480 » by **rarefind** » Fri Apr 5, 2024 3:00 pm

pilkoids wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:The longer this investigation goes on, the better his odds of getting out of this. I thought he was dead in the water when this first came out but maybe a very tiny glimmer of hope right now for him.

Isn't this the first instance of a player betting on himself? They'll take their time with this.

I'd say that Jontay is cooked. What happens to him sets massive precedent, though. There is no rush on how this matter gets handled at all.