Malachi ain't it...

[YogurtProducer]

He wasn't that in college, so why draft him to be off ball shooter only? Maybe they thought his defense was better but he played in a weak conference,

So he can't hit open shots. He can't defend. Doesn't have a first step to get past his guy.

What does Flynn do then? Run a mediocre PnR?

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

So it is Nurse's fault that Flynn has no real NBA sklls?

Flynn has a .78ppp as the PnR Ball Handler which is the 33rd percentile in the NBA. And depsite having "no roll partner", FVV still manages to be .98ppp in the 77th percentile so that is not an excuse either.

[Duffman100]

He wasn't that in college, so why draft him to be off ball shooter only? Maybe they thought his defense was better but he played in a weak conference,

So he can't hit open shots. He can't defend. Doesn't have a first step to get past his guy.

What does Flynn do then? Run a mediocre PnR?

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

[WaltFrazier]

Going to bookmark this thread for future purposes

I'm assuming you're planning on bumping it when Flynn breaks out on another team?

I hope he does carve out a backup career on another team. Backup PG, even 3rd PG and a spot shooter. He's a good hard working guy and deserves a chance elsewhere.

I don't want to dump on him anymore, I just want him to be a throw-in in a trade.

And please give Jeff a chance.

[YogurtProducer]

Going to bookmark this thread for future purposes

I'm assuming you're planning on bumping it when Flynn breaks out on another team?

I hope he does carve out a backup career on another team. Backup PG, even 3rd PG and a spot shooter. He's a good hard working guy and deserves a chance elsewhere.

I don't want to dump on him anymore, I just want him to be a throw-in in a trade.

And please give Jeff a chance.

And even if he does, it really is no fault of our own. Some players need a cut/kick in the ass to find their way

Cameron Payne was considered one of the worst players in the entire NBA and was cut by like 5 teams including us before carving out a role in Phoenix.

[KL78192020]

So he can't hit open shots. He can't defend. Doesn't have a first step to get past his guy.

What does Flynn do then? Run a mediocre PnR?

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

Kinda like FVV. On lower volume but he's shooting better from 3 this year than Fred. Sounds like Masai likes him as he got his option picked up for 2023/2024.

[raptor jesus]

Perhaps it's a bit silly to be disappointed by a 29th overall pick, but I thought Flynn was a pretty safe bet to be a reliable rotation guy when he was drafted. He put up some monster numbers in his final year of college. He was an above average shooter in college, but has been markedly inconsistent in the NBA. He was a very good passer in college (31% AST rate), but that part of his game has been underwhelming, and has regressed each season. He was his conference's DPOY in college, and obviously his size makes it tough in the NBA, but I don't see that same high compete level, IQ we're used to seeing from good defensive guards e.g. FVV, and Lowry.

[ItsDanger]

So he can't hit open shots. He can't defend. Doesn't have a first step to get past his guy.

What does Flynn do then? Run a mediocre PnR?

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

He's a screen action guy. You don't need to get past your guy 1 on 1. This roster lacks ISO talent, yet ISOs. Use ball screens.

[Duffman100]

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

He's a screen action guy. You don't need to get past your guy 1 on 1. This roster lacks ISO talent, yet ISOs. Use ball screens.

Yes sure. He's a screen action guy (and not a very good one). That's ALL he is. Which means he isn't an NBA player.

If you're 6'1 in this league, to survive, you have to hit wide open 3s. That's it, its' really that simple.

[Hero_Panda]

Sources tell me it was Flynn who leaked the rumors of players being disgruntled and complaining about minutes. It's mostly him, but listed other names as well to hype up the situation.

[Raps in 4]

He's undersized, unathletic, and inconsistent.

[KL78192020]

Couldn’t name many teams/player who have a good back up point guard.

It seems like a near impossible position to fill, most back up point guards in the league are borderline to get cut from the nba.

Best bets are rolling without one, and if you’re trying to win bring in a 37 year old point guard like a Lowry just to run your bench

I always like TJ McConnell as backup pg. Great defense, pass first, crafty mid range shooter

Ricky Rubio pre-injury last year was pretty good too

Tyus Jones, Malcolm Brogdon, Jose Alvarado, Bones Hyland are all more than capable backup PGs as well.

Barnes should be the starting PG and FVV his backup off the bench.

[blastttOFF]

The only reason he’s still on the team is Bobby trying to make a point to validate the pick over bane.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

He's a screen action guy. You don't need to get past your guy 1 on 1. This roster lacks ISO talent, yet ISOs. Use ball screens.

Yes sure. He's a screen action guy (and not a very good one). That's ALL he is. Which means he isn't an NBA player.

If you're 6'1 in this league, to survive, you have to hit wide open 3s. That's it, its' really that simple.

Agreed.

At that size he's going to need one, or more likely two close-to-elite skills to stay on the floor, and he has none right now. He's going to need to shoot ~40% consistently from three and/or build enough strength to fight through screens and keep his defender in front of him. If he can't do at least one of those two, he'll never stay on an NBA floor.

From the first time I watched him on the court after we drafted him, my immediate reaction was that I didn't realize just how small he was. If I'm playing the Raptors and I see him on the floor, I immediately target him. None of my initial reactions have changed.

[gbball]

Malachi has played at times this year with what looks like very little confidence. That was something he was touted for prior to joining the Raptors. Being confident and sure of himself. His usage, role and struggles have done a number on him. I'd like to see him carve out a role on a different team. The only way it works for him here is if there is a coaching/philosophy change or a major trade.

He'd be a different player if he was more sure of himself. It's sad to see him so tentative and rushed. He just doesn't look comfortable on the floor at all. He's barely asked to play any semblance of his natural position and he's struggled to find a groove as a spot op shooter/floor spacer on this team.

In a way it reminds me of how Jeremy Lin fell of a cliff when he came here. Lin was actually good with us in his first few games until he learned our playbook, then he was terrible. I remember in an interview, he said he finally learned the entire playbook, then he was literally unplayable after that. I found it interesting.

[YogurtProducer]

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

Kinda like FVV. On lower volume but he's shooting better from 3 this year than Fred. Sounds like Masai likes him as he got his option picked up for 2023/2024.

The FVV hate is insane

[YogurtProducer]

His style is anti Nurse analytics essentially. And honestly, there isn't a legit roll partner on this team.

But he'll still be a undersized PG who can't shoot, defend or get past his guy...

He's a screen action guy. You don't need to get past your guy 1 on 1. This roster lacks ISO talent, yet ISOs. Use ball screens.

We ISO 9 times per game. We have PnR finishes 17 times per game.

[Indeed]

The only reason he’s still on the team is Bobby trying to make a point to validate the pick over bane.

I got to wonder if it was Webster, as Ujiri still did not have his contract back then. It just doesn't feel this is a Ujiri pick.
Anyway, it was a weak draft, and we got Barnes the year after. Just not sure why we gave him the contract for next year, which is almost 4m.

[YogurtProducer]

Couldn’t name many teams/player who have a good back up point guard.

It seems like a near impossible position to fill, most back up point guards in the league are borderline to get cut from the nba.

Best bets are rolling without one, and if you’re trying to win bring in a 37 year old point guard like a Lowry just to run your bench

I always like TJ McConnell as backup pg. Great defense, pass first, crafty mid range shooter

Ricky Rubio pre-injury last year was pretty good too

Tyus Jones, Malcolm Brogdon, Jose Alvarado, Bones Hyland are all more than capable backup PGs as well.

Barnes should be the starting PG and FVV his backup off the bench.

What a daring, original thought. I was just thinking that this board needed another thread to dive into FVV rhetoric.

[YogurtProducer]

The only reason he’s still on the team is Bobby trying to make a point to validate the pick over bane.

Well that and cutting a former first rounder who in theory has some potential so you can sign a different player who has been cut or not drafted is not always the best decision.

[Indeed]

The only reason he’s still on the team is Bobby trying to make a point to validate the pick over bane.

Well that and cutting a former first rounder who in theory has some potential so you can sign a different player who has been cut or not drafted is not always the best decision.

But paying him almost 4m wouldn't be good for our up coming expirings. Giving 1m to a rookie and 3m to Trent may be enough to keep him here, maybe not.