Will Masai Tank 4 Flagg?

[mdenny]

Even if we try to be good next year it WON'T happen lol....Scottie/IQ/Barrett not a winning team in the NBA just yet....Coach sucks...We have no real way to improve this team in the offseason...We will be a young bad team next year....

We had OG/Siakam for half the year last season ...That added about 10-15 wins to the team we had...Once we made them trades we were on pace as the Pistons/Spurs/Hornets level of bad....

We will be going for a top pick next year believe that...Ace Bailey i think is the target for Masai..

As for the people saying we should try to win next year cause the Hawks got the 1st pick....Just lol...As long as we are in the top 3 next year we will be fine....Hopefully top 2...If you hit top 2 next year and can pick between Cooper/Bailey...Thats franchise changing stuff...

Even if we came in dead last.....(which is highly unlikely)....we would still only have a 25% chance of getting a top 2 pick. We'd have a 50% chance of dropping to 5.

The flattened odds changed everything.

Yeah but you still have to give yourself that chance cause we are out of options anyways...We lost our draft pick to the Spurs so we lost a trade asset and also lost the ability to pick a player who could have been good for us this year....We are not signing any game changing players in free agency, IQ/Barrett/Barnes are not winning you many games without a deep supporting cast or the right players around them...

The roster as a whole is very bare bones with talent or high end NBA level talent...We will just not be good next year and even if we don't luck out and win the lottery next years draft is riddled with talent as long as we are in that top 5 range im fine...But obviously Ace/Flagg is the goal

Here is the disconnect tho:

We would not be adding that pick to our current core of players. We've adding that pick the core after they couldn't manage to win 25 games. Which means scotty is not the current scotty (we realize he is t nearly as good as we hoped) and some combination of RJ/IQ/dick are no longer as promising either.

In a vacuum...ppl think we add this pick to our current core. But our general valuation of our core would be diminished. So we lose value in the propsects we actually possess now in order to get another draft pick.

We can't tank next season without losing something (unless the tank is a product of injuries). And what we'd lose is the height of scotty's potential.

[SharoneWright]

Barnes to the injured list IMMEDIATELY

- trade 19 for a late 2025 1st

- trade Poeltl for a 2024 early 2nd. (Ooush)

- let Trent walk

- start Boucher until Christmas, then trade him for a 2nd in 2025

[Son Goku 25]

Probably ain't doing sht.

Will half ass it as usual and get a top 12 pick this time.

[Clutch0z24]

Even if we came in dead last.....(which is highly unlikely)....we would still only have a 25% chance of getting a top 2 pick. We'd have a 50% chance of dropping to 5.

The flattened odds changed everything.

Yeah but you still have to give yourself that chance cause we are out of options anyways...We lost our draft pick to the Spurs so we lost a trade asset and also lost the ability to pick a player who could have been good for us this year....We are not signing any game changing players in free agency, IQ/Barrett/Barnes are not winning you many games without a deep supporting cast or the right players around them...

The roster as a whole is very bare bones with talent or high end NBA level talent...We will just not be good next year and even if we don't luck out and win the lottery next years draft is riddled with talent as long as we are in that top 5 range im fine...But obviously Ace/Flagg is the goal

Here is the disconnect tho:

We would not be adding that pick to our current core of players. We've adding that pick the core after they couldn't manage to win 25 games. Which means scotty is not the current scotty (we realize he is t nearly as good as we hoped) and some combination of RJ/IQ/dick are no longer as promising either.

In a vacuum...ppl think we add this pick to our current core. But our general valuation of our core would be diminished. So we lose value in the propsects we actually possess now in order to get another draft pick.

We can't tank next season without losing something (unless the tank is a product of injuries). And what we'd lose is the height of scotty's potential.

Thats a silly argument imo....Saying a bunch of young 20 year olds are not good in the future due to having a few really bad losing seasons with a team full of young developing players with no actually good vet players, Depth , Or a good coach is silly to expect them to be good so early...

I expect BBQ and Dick to all have decent seasons...But winning in the NBA is a hard thing to do....Its not as easy as it sounds alot has to fall into place for you to have success....

We are still a superstar + experience and a better Head coach away from being a legit contender...We are in a good position because all the guys we are building around are all around the same age...And imo the only thing we need now is a player on Barnes or a step above him in a draft prospect for us to have a Championship future like the OKC are building atm...

Obviously alot has to go right but imo we are a Ace/Flagg draft pick, Playoff head coach signing away from being a future dynasty..

That is why im hoping so bad for next season to be the worst it can be for us as long as we have a shot to draft Bailey/Flagg so we have hopefully a decade of winning to look foreward too

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If we win 25 or less next year, whoever we draft...it's probably his team.

[LoveMyRaps]

Barnes to the injured list IMMEDIATELY

- trade 19 for a late 2025 1st

- trade Poeltl for a 2024 early 2nd. (Ooush)

- let Trent walk

- start Boucher until Christmas, then trade him for a 2nd in 2025

No one is doing that.

[WiggOuts]

There's no way the NBA would give us Cooper Flagg. Hes the next big American prospect, he sure as hell isn't going to Canada

[SharoneWright]

Barnes to the injured list IMMEDIATELY

- trade 19 for a late 2025 1st

- trade Poeltl for a 2024 early 2nd. (Ooush)

- let Trent walk

- start Boucher until Christmas, then trade him for a 2nd in 2025

No one is doing that.

No one cares about titles

( tank with force)

If you mean no contender will trade up this year for # 19, then throw in Bruce freaking brown. A contenders dream!
#19 and Brown to Denver for their 2025 first.(~28)

[Clutch0z24]

There's no way the NBA would give us Cooper Flagg. Hes the next big American prospect, he sure as hell isn't going to Canada

Thats fine i want Bailey....Bailey+Barnes would be a dynamic duo.

[wegotthabeet]

If we win 25 or less next year, whoever we draft...it's probably his team.

I don’t get this line of thinking at all. One does not preclude the other. OKC literally won less than 25 games two seasons ago. SGA just finished second in MVP voting. Is it no longer his team? Who did they draft who’s better? And there’s countless of other examples just like this.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If we win 25 or less next year, whoever we draft...it's probably his team.

I don’t get this line of thinking at all. One does not preclude the other. OKC literally won less than 25 games two seasons ago. SGA just finished second in MVP voting. Is it no longer his team? Who did they draft who’s better? And there’s countless of other examples just like this.

First, we don't have Shae on the team. Maybe Barnes turns into that...but, that's not the direction if we're a sub 25W team again.

If we fail again, the best player on the team will be the guy we draft.

[ArthurVandelay]

Bro it's about time, we entered the sweepstakes for a generational talent.

Flagg is gonna be special, but even the 'consolation' prizes in this draft have superstar potential.

Lay it out. What's your plan to 25 wins?

Trade Poeltl.
Start Kelly.
Play the kids.
Rest strategically.

[2019nbachamps]

It took the most hilarious amount of bad luck for us to even get this bad and start really tanking in the 2nd half of the season, I don't know if that amount of bad luck will happen again.

The other factor is Barnes himself, if he takes another step in his development, it's going to be increasingly hard to be a .300 team.

We suck. Even if Scottie explodes we’re likely a 35 win team.

[SharoneWright]

It took the most hilarious amount of bad luck for us to even get this bad and start really tanking in the 2nd half of the season, I don't know if that amount of bad luck will happen again.

The other factor is Barnes himself, if he takes another step in his development, it's going to be increasingly hard to be a .300 team.

We suck. Even if Scottie explodes we’re likely a 35 win team.

Barnes needs to come out of training camp with a 20 game injury. The rest of the season writes itself.

[SharoneWright]

#flag4flagg

TM

[ItsDanger]

If you take a step back, this team is dangerously close to being mired in mediocre territory.

[Psubs]

It took the most hilarious amount of bad luck for us to even get this bad and start really tanking in the 2nd half of the season, I don't know if that amount of bad luck will happen again.

The other factor is Barnes himself, if he takes another step in his development, it's going to be increasingly hard to be a .300 team.

We suck. Even if Scottie explodes we’re likely a 35 win team.

If he plays like an allstar again, the Raptors will be closer to 45 wins than 35. The east is pretty mid.

[2019nbachamps]

It took the most hilarious amount of bad luck for us to even get this bad and start really tanking in the 2nd half of the season, I don't know if that amount of bad luck will happen again.

The other factor is Barnes himself, if he takes another step in his development, it's going to be increasingly hard to be a .300 team.

We suck. Even if Scottie explodes we’re likely a 35 win team.

If he plays like an allstar again, the Raptors will be closer to 45 wins than 35. The east is pretty mid.

Yeah we heard the same after trading for Poeltl and the same going into this season. Our team is mid and is closer to winning 25 games than 45 games. I don’t mind being crappy for another year as long as we don’t make any more dumb deals. We need to restock the cupboard.

[agkagk]

Flagg is a scrub

Weve had basically 6 straight drafts with generational talents.

There was a big talent gap between the lebron/kd/curry generation up until 6 years ago.


From ja morant and zion to wemby; the talent pool has reset.

Get ready for years of disappointed at the top of the lottery the next few years.

Law of averages.

Other than kyrie irving we had a decade plus of jimmy butlers and devon bookers.

Flaggs a scrub.

Cause….. math

Lol

[Chandan]

There's no way the NBA would give us Cooper Flagg. Hes the next big American prospect, he sure as hell isn't going to Canada

Then give us back SGA