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OAKLEY_2 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:If we are looking at players to guard multiple positions then Risharcher/Holland/Buzelis/C.Willaims are all in play, & I wanted to go big wing. One of those should be available at 6, 2 of them should be available at 4.
I'm warming up to Holland at little bit more..
Holland very worthy of going 6th.
MEDIC wrote:Mark_83 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
I've been skeptical of Dunn as a high pick, but in the late teens to 20s he's a potential steal. I don't see star level upside unless he has another two gears of skill development like Pascal, but his floor is already high as a defensive stopper and all he has to do is develop a catch and shoot three and you have an elite 3 + D player to replace OG. Forget about adding anything else to his game. You lock him in the gym and make him shoot till he can consistently shoot 37% or better from three. Any other skills he adds are just a bonus.
I like the idea of Dunn with the Pacers pick more than I like the idea of Castle/ Holland/ Cody Williams with a top 6 pick.
Dunn is a more fluid athlete than OG & has better handles. His shooting mechanics looks.OK as well. If he could be OG lite on defense as a point of attack defender & Scottie lite as a help defender, then that's pretty solid pick in the late teens. We need a player like that.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:MEDIC wrote:Mark_83 wrote:I've been skeptical of Dunn as a high pick, but in the late teens to 20s he's a potential steal. I don't see star level upside unless he has another two gears of skill development like Pascal, but his floor is already high as a defensive stopper and all he has to do is develop a catch and shoot three and you have an elite 3 + D player to replace OG. Forget about adding anything else to his game. You lock him in the gym and make him shoot till he can consistently shoot 37% or better from three. Any other skills he adds are just a bonus.
I like the idea of Dunn with the Pacers pick more than I like the idea of Castle/ Holland/ Cody Williams with a top 6 pick.
Dunn is a more fluid athlete than OG & has better handles. His shooting mechanics looks.OK as well. If he could be OG lite on defense as a point of attack defender & Scottie lite as a help defender, then that's pretty solid pick in the late teens. We need a player like that.
How can you not like Holland. Hybrid 3-4. Just 18. Already has a year of pro experience. He already has national team experience as a 5 star recruit. He has a high ceiling. Two way player.
He just finished a season playing with Norris Cole in the G league age 18.
"“He’s a dog,” said Norris Cole, a former two-time NBA champion with the Miami Heat and a current Ignite reserve.
“Playing hard and having a motor is a skill and I’d say that’s his top skill. He could be a potential max player because of how hard he plays and works.”
I could Holland being a Raptors pick for sure.
dohboy_24 wrote:Using this classification framework, which players from this draft would you categorize into each of these roles:
Total Package Scorers (Jayson Tatum, Luka Doncic, Anthony Edwards)
Switchable Defenders (OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges, Matisse Thybulle)
Jumbo Creators (Lonzo Ball, LaMelo Ball, Cade Cunningham)
Floor Spacing Guards (Landry Shamet, Gary Trent Jr, Desmond Bane)
Utility Forwards (Saddiq Bey, Scottie Barnes, Herb Jones)
SOURCE: https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/looking-for-what-works-the-weekend
For the 2024 draft, which prospects could fit into each of these archetypes:
TPS - Ja'Kobe Walter, Isiah Collier, Trey Alexander
SD - Ron Holland, Devin Carter, Ryan Dunn, Dillon Jones
JC - Nikola Topic, Stephon Castle, Carlton Carrington, Kyshawn George, Jaylon Tyson
FSG - Reed Sheppard, Antonio Reeves, Rob Dillingham, Jared McCain, Cam Spencer, Mark Sears, KJ Simpson, Pelle Larsson, Kam Jones, Hunter Sallis, Dalton Knecht, RJ Davis
UF - Matas Buzelis, Cody Williams, Tyler Smith, Tristan daSilva, Oso Ighodaro, Ulrich Chomche, Kwame Evans
Do you agree/disagree? Any players I missed that you'd put on your list?
Raptorfan2012 wrote:
I mean... those TPS guys are the most sought after types of talent and why teams tank, so I don't think we have any in this draft (which is why many consider this draft weak). I am not sure Walter, Collier, and Alexander are closer to top tier talent (Collier has a bit of chance I guess). If I really squint my eyes, I would say Holland is the closest to be that TPS (if he improves his 3 point shot). Knecht may be there as well?
OAKLEY_2 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:If we are looking at players to guard multiple positions then Risharcher/Holland/Buzelis/C.Willaims are all in play, & I wanted to go big wing. One of those should be available at 6, 2 of them should be available at 4.
I'm warming up to Holland at little bit more..
Holland very worthy of going 6th.
grant101 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:We are only getting a top 4 pick or giving it up completely. Very low odds it stays at 6
I would say this year's draft specifically the top 10 isn't all that strong compared to last year for example. Quality is much less
Don't mind giving it to SAS cuz I dont think we will get that much of impact other than Sarr but we'd probably have to win # 1 to draft him
It is what it is at this point
Agreed. It's a sunk cost, made a little more palatable because of how stacked next year's draft is. IMO, worst case is we stay at #6. By that point in the draft, there's a very high likelihood that whoever our front office covets has already been taken, and there are very few top picks with a decent combination of certainty of outcome, and all-star potential.
Psubs wrote:Giannis grew from like 6'9 without shoes to 6'11 without shoes and that allowed him to dunk from anywhere. Also he got stronger. Right now Chomche is 6'11 in shoes so around 6'9-6'10 without shoes. We'll have to wait for the combine official measurements. He's 18 1/3 years old. If he's able to grow 1 more inch he'll have the same combination as Giannis. He has a 7'4 wingspan and shoots the 3 and FT's already much better than Giannis.
The Hakeem and Embiid comps are ceilings but why can't he surpass them? I big fat 7' kid drafted in the middle of the 2nd round has surpassed them. Embiid grew into his frame and really grew to MVP calibre and Chomche has all the tools.
Also there was a video I posted where the guy pointed out his soccer background footwork and able to get down in the stance and guard on the perimeter. He at least seems as nimble as Tyler Smith.
If Masai doesn't select Chomche with the Pacers pick, I really don't know why he's bothering with the Giants of Africa.
Chomche has shown that he might be better than Khaman Malauch (who started in the Nike Hoops Summit), who may be bigger like a Zach Edey/Donovan Clingan mix but Chomche might be the better prospect.
Looking at the future with Maluach, Wemby, Chet, I don't think that Clingan, Edey, Ware, Missi, Tyler Smith would have a better go at guarding them than Chomche.
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Risk101 wrote:A lot of scouts calling Topic a walking red flag.
People don’t respect his jump shot and he’s a liability defensively.
DreamTeam09 wrote:OAKLEY_2 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:If we are looking at players to guard multiple positions then Risharcher/Holland/Buzelis/C.Willaims are all in play, & I wanted to go big wing. One of those should be available at 6, 2 of them should be available at 4.
I'm warming up to Holland at little bit more..
Holland very worthy of going 6th.
I see a righty RJ Barrett, Holland playmaking skills are underrated or untapped as well. He's not a point-fwd ala Scottie, but he won't be a black hole either imo.
WembGod - Face of the NBA Universe Risk101 wrote:A lot of scouts calling Topic a walking red flag.
People don’t respect his jump shot and he’s a liability defensively.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:MEDIC wrote:Mark_83 wrote:I've been skeptical of Dunn as a high pick, but in the late teens to 20s he's a potential steal. I don't see star level upside unless he has another two gears of skill development like Pascal, but his floor is already high as a defensive stopper and all he has to do is develop a catch and shoot three and you have an elite 3 + D player to replace OG. Forget about adding anything else to his game. You lock him in the gym and make him shoot till he can consistently shoot 37% or better from three. Any other skills he adds are just a bonus.
I like the idea of Dunn with the Pacers pick more than I like the idea of Castle/ Holland/ Cody Williams with a top 6 pick.
Dunn is a more fluid athlete than OG & has better handles. His shooting mechanics looks.OK as well. If he could be OG lite on defense as a point of attack defender & Scottie lite as a help defender, then that's pretty solid pick in the late teens. We need a player like that.
How can you not like Holland. Hybrid 3-4. Just 18. Already has a year of pro experience. He already has national team experience as a 5 star recruit. He has a high ceiling. Two way player.
He just finished a season playing with Norris Cole in the G league age 18.
"“He’s a dog,” said Norris Cole, a former two-time NBA champion with the Miami Heat and a current Ignite reserve.
“Playing hard and having a motor is a skill and I’d say that’s his top skill. He could be a potential max player because of how hard he plays and works.”
I could Holland being a Raptors pick for sure.
MEDIC wrote:OAKLEY_2 wrote:MEDIC wrote:
I like the idea of Dunn with the Pacers pick more than I like the idea of Castle/ Holland/ Cody Williams with a top 6 pick.
Dunn is a more fluid athlete than OG & has better handles. His shooting mechanics looks.OK as well. If he could be OG lite on defense as a point of attack defender & Scottie lite as a help defender, then that's pretty solid pick in the late teens. We need a player like that.
How can you not like Holland. Hybrid 3-4. Just 18. Already has a year of pro experience. He already has national team experience as a 5 star recruit. He has a high ceiling. Two way player.
He just finished a season playing with Norris Cole in the G league age 18.
"“He’s a dog,” said Norris Cole, a former two-time NBA champion with the Miami Heat and a current Ignite reserve.
“Playing hard and having a motor is a skill and I’d say that’s his top skill. He could be a potential max player because of how hard he plays and works.”
I could Holland being a Raptors pick for sure.
I like Holland. There are just others that I am more interested in for the top 6.
A big thing for me will be Hollands measurements. I have read various opinions on his actual height. If he measures out as a legit 6'8", then then that changes some things. If he measures 6'6", I think I'd lean towards Castle.
Holland is a player that could easily rise during the combine & draft workouts if he measures favorably.
WembGod - Face of the NBA Universe Dalek wrote:Risk101 wrote:A lot of scouts calling Topic a walking red flag.
People don’t respect his jump shot and he’s a liability defensively.
I think he is the riskiest highly touted prospect in this draft. Here is what I have heard and read:
-Little history of successful euro PGs in recent times
-Knee injury in January and no one has seen him on court since.
-Inconsistent three point shot
-Tends to do jump passes
-Fairly vanilla passer
-Zero dunks this past season
-Low defensive effort
-Doesn't look 6'6 with a 7ft wingspan
I do think there is merit, I also think he made a major leap every year and playing the Euroleague is special for such a young player. Basically, he has such rare feel and bball IQ and aggressiveness, and he officially measured out 6'6 with a 7ft wingspan, so there is a lot to be excited about. The Hardwood Hoops guy posted the long video which shows the good and bad:
If that happens and we circle back to the Pacers pick we must hope for Collier, Edey, Da Silva or Carter. A lemonade haul plan B for me would be Collier at 17 and at #31 6'10" Trevon Brazile an Arkansas junior who has a 7'3" wingspan. Shoots a nice spot up 3, leaps out of the gym, inhales boards and gives depth at power forward at 21 years old.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Dalek wrote:Risk101 wrote:A lot of scouts calling Topic a walking red flag.
People don’t respect his jump shot and he’s a liability defensively.
I think he is the riskiest highly touted prospect in this draft. Here is what I have heard and read:
-Little history of successful euro PGs in recent times
-Knee injury in January and no one has seen him on court since.
-Inconsistent three point shot
-Tends to do jump passes
-Fairly vanilla passer
-Zero dunks this past season
-Low defensive effort
-Doesn't look 6'6 with a 7ft wingspan
I do think there is merit, I also think he made a major leap every year and playing the Euroleague is special for such a young player. Basically, he has such rare feel and bball IQ and aggressiveness, and he officially measured out 6'6 with a 7ft wingspan, so there is a lot to be excited about. The Hardwood Hoops guy posted the long video which shows the good and bad:
Topic will go top 3 to SA is my best guess. If we convey it then is entirely possible SA gets a top 3 and the number 7. SA could leave the draft with Topic and Holland.
But Holland, Collier and Brazile works even better.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
Thaddy wrote:Topic doesn't look like he'll be able to score against NBA centers. That's concerning considering it is his supposed "strength".
