Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[Rhettmatic]

You guys were hungry last time. 106 pages in less than a month? Good work!

Here are the other two threads:

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viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1087333

And the rules:

All thoughts on 2011 draft prospects and potential Raptors picks can go in this thread. After the draft lottery, it'll also be home to all mock-draft discussion and other fun.

Did Kyrie Irving have a sick crossover? Post it here. Did Jan Vesely drop 27 points on Crvena zvezda? Discuss it here. Are you having panic attacks because the Raptors just hired Donatas Motiejunas's father as their head scout? Seek medical help here.

We've got a few links here to NBA draft websites but please feel free to post more or PM a mod if you want more added.

Enjoy!

- The Mod Squad

Draft Express
NBADraft.net
ESPN Draft Base

[DG88]

I'm still wondering what are Kyrie's chances of entering the draft. If he does he's either going #1 or #2. I'm just hoping that we get him, he's probably the only legit superstar to come out of this draft

[JN]

Someone raised Kemba Walker as a top five pick in the prior thread.

No way. He is averaging 21 points a game in 15 Big East Games, but shooting 39%. Let me repeat that - 39%.

If a player who is considered to have ability to score as a primary skill, cannot create efficient looks at the NCAA level I do not want... at least not in the top ten.

[mmmistry]

The Raptors need to look at the following 3 player with their Pick.

1) Kyrie Irving - Everyone knows the Raps need a PG and Kyrie will be a franchise type of PG.
2) Enes Kanter - Raps need a defensive rebounding center and I don't see Bargnani ever avg more than 7 rebounds a game. Kaner/Davis front line would be amazing in the future.
3) Harrison Barnes - Believe it or not, I think being at NC is hurting Barnes and if he ever went to a program such as Kentucy he would be putting up way better numbers. A Derozan/Barnes wing combo would be amazing in the future. Remember Derozan didn't have a great start in his freshman season at USC as well.

[5DOM]

Out of 26 games played, Barnes shot better than 50% only 4 times. He really hasn't shown enough to prove that he's a lottery pick much less a top 3-5 pick. Incredible hype out of HS is the only reason why he's still rated so highly. Unless he has good tournaments like DeMar did, I don't see us even considering him. He'll probably go back to college if that's the case too. I'll take that Vesley guy over Barnes, and I never even saw him play.

[Randle McMurphy]

Someone raised Kemba Walker as a top five pick in the prior thread.

No way. He is averaging 21 points a game in 15 Big East Games, but shooting 39%. Let me repeat that - 39%.

If a player who is considered to have ability to score as a primary skill, cannot create efficient looks at the NCAA level I do not want... at least not in the top ten.

I remember when some were getting excited about his early hot streak against inferior opponents, and I told them to just wait for BE season. Well...it's here.

Walker is an undersized chucker who can't play defense effectively....there's no way the Raptors should take him.

[hops_88]

Ohh man get excited. 2 more weeks until March Madness... the month where draft stock is determined. Second rounders are easily bumped into Lotto picks and the other way around.

[Salted Meat]

One request: In the name of all that's good and Holy, can we please stop using NBADraft.net as a source of credible prospect analysis or mock draft predictions?

I mean, their most recent analysis of Perry Jones and Jared Sullinger are from 2009! C'mon!

[Dr Positivity]

Still have Perry Jones III #1. The most talented prospect. Most of the time that's the best pick.

[5DOM]

NBADraft.net is not that bad. I think they were the first site to project Derrick Williams as a potential top 5 pick when everyone else had him outside the lottery.

[DreamTeam09]

I've been saying this from the 1st thread but theres only really 4 players we should be looking at with our pick.

Raptor draft board.

#1 Kyrie irving +5 level of excitement
#2 Perry Jones +4 level of excitement.
#3 Terannce Jones +3.5 level of excitement
#4 Harrison Barnes +2 level of excitement.

1 pg and 3 sf

[takingitall]

Most comprehensive list of draft databases.

http://dcprosportsreport.com/NBAMocks.htm

[Double Helix]

I'm just going to repost this from the other thread since it was right near the end of the last thread anyway...

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I think Terrence Jones has to be considered a top 6 lock at this point. He's young, he has a solid all around game and a competitiveness that I think scouts and GMs are going to like. All that said, I'm still having a hard time imagining him as an impact SF despite his strengths. His athleticism seems Jalen Rose-esque to me and I don't mean that in a good way.

I know people have thrown out the Lamar Odom comparison but Odom seems a lot lankier and freakish as a result. Here are some 6'7-6'9 SF types with solid rebounding ability. Maybe these names will give us a better idea of the kind of player Jones might be in the NBA.

- Caron Butler (less athleticism)
- Paul Pierce (Less of a one-on-one/iso creativity and a lower ceiling)
- Jamal Masburn (less passing and more shot blocking)
- Shawn Marion (less athleticism/ability to work without the ball/more ball reliant)
- Marvin Williams (more competitive and driven to stand out?)

Anybody else? Would anybody want a player like that playing alongside Demar Derozan if we ended up hitting some draft lottery bad luck and ended up selecting 5-7. Not exactly franchise-altering but probably a solid consolation prize if we don't get lucky with the ping pong balls.

[DreamTeam09]

^^ I think Terrance Jones will be a real good player in the NBA. Would be a good pick for the raps too. I have him behind Kyrie and slightly behind PJ. If he has a better workout than PJ then I would have no problems taking him. I wouldn't even call it bad luck if we ended up with him. Unless Kyrie goes like right infront of him.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm just going to repost this from the other thread since it was right near the end of the last thread anyway...

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I think Terrence Jones has to be considered a top 6 lock at this point. He's young, he has a solid all around game and a competitiveness that I think scouts and GMs are going to like. All that said, I'm still having a hard time imagining him as an impact SF despite his strengths. His athleticism seems Jalen Rose-esque to me and I don't mean that in a good way.

I know people have thrown out the Lamar Odom comparison but Odom seems a lot lankier and freakish as a result. Here are some 6'7-6'9 SF types with solid rebounding ability. Maybe these names will give us a better idea of the kind of player Jones might be in the NBA.

- Caron Butler (less athleticism)
- Paul Pierce (Less of a one-on-one/iso creativity and a lower ceiling)
- Jamal Masburn (less passing and more shot blocking)
- Shawn Marion (less athleticism/ability to work without the ball/more ball reliant)
- Marvin Williams (more competitive and driven to stand out?)

Anybody else? Would anybody want a player like that playing alongside Demar Derozan if we ended up hitting some draft lottery bad luck and ended up selecting 5-7. Not exactly franchise-altering but probably a solid consolation prize if we don't get lucky with the ping pong balls.

I think he's an undersized PF in the NBA. At SF he'll have a size advantage but weak handles, shooting, etc. for a big man and will be a defensive liability. At PF he'll at least be faster and with more handles than opposing bigs. I'm not crazy about him as a prospect in general though. I would much rather have Derrick Williams who at least hits 3s and is more athletic

[Doctorb23]

this morning i was wondering about maybe E'tuan Moore with our Miami pick, but fat chance of that after today's performance.

[Brinbe]

Well, Irving's still atop the board, no doubt, but it gets extremely complicated after that.

And at this point I think I'd be compelled to take Jonas Valanciunas or Kanter after Kyrie because they do fill a need at C, and honestly, I'm not too keen on any of the tweenerish 3/4 guys currently up high on the charts.

Guys like Barnes, Perry and Terrence Jones, Sullinger, and Williams all could help us, I'm sure, but they're all sort of similar and don't really fill any of our needs as we're already stacked at the four, and don't at all give us what we really need at the 3, along DD, which is consistent D and a legit three point shot. (and of those guys, I'd want Williams, but I'm a bit concerned those gaudy stats are an aberration.)

I mean hell, I'd take Chris Singleton from FSU over those guys, at this point, because while he may not have the upside of a Perry Jones, for example, he can certainly play good D, and does have range out to 3, shooting 37% on the year (though I know he can definitely be streaky as ****.)

Furthermore, if we do take Jonas or Enes, that would certainly free us to concentrate on finding that three via FA, which I'd be fine with.

Anyway, these next few weeks will be a lot of fun, and I'm sure some guys will definitely emerge and clear up the charts a bit.

[africano_back]

Wait did you guys forget about bayless?! cant we just go after the best sf there is in the draft ?

[DreamTeam09]

I'm just going to repost this from the other thread since it was right near the end of the last thread anyway...

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I think Terrence Jones has to be considered a top 6 lock at this point. He's young, he has a solid all around game and a competitiveness that I think scouts and GMs are going to like. All that said, I'm still having a hard time imagining him as an impact SF despite his strengths. His athleticism seems Jalen Rose-esque to me and I don't mean that in a good way.

I know people have thrown out the Lamar Odom comparison but Odom seems a lot lankier and freakish as a result. Here are some 6'7-6'9 SF types with solid rebounding ability. Maybe these names will give us a better idea of the kind of player Jones might be in the NBA.

- Caron Butler (less athleticism)
- Paul Pierce (Less of a one-on-one/iso creativity and a lower ceiling)
- Jamal Masburn (less passing and more shot blocking)
- Shawn Marion (less athleticism/ability to work without the ball/more ball reliant)
- Marvin Williams (more competitive and driven to stand out?)

Anybody else? Would anybody want a player like that playing alongside Demar Derozan if we ended up hitting some draft lottery bad luck and ended up selecting 5-7. Not exactly franchise-altering but probably a solid consolation prize if we don't get lucky with the ping pong balls.

I think he's an undersized PF in the NBA. At SF he'll have a size advantage but weak handles, shooting, etc. for a big man and will be a defensive liability. At PF he'll at least be faster and with more handles than opposing bigs. I'm not crazy about him as a prospect in general though. I would much rather have Derrick Williams who at least hits 3s and is more athletic

Terrance Jones is listed as a SF first on every draft site. He shoots 30% from the 3. Barns is a natural 3 aswell. Derrick Williams is the tweener of the bunch. He plays the game as a big with the added range,

[JamesNaismith]

I've been saying this from the 1st thread but theres only really 4 players we should be looking at with our pick.

Raptor draft board.

#1 Kyrie irving +5 level of excitement
#2 Perry Jones +4 level of excitement.
#3 Terannce Jones +3.5 level of excitement
#4 Harrison Barnes +2 level of excitement.

1 pg and 3 sf

My sig is being sarcastic but this is my list...just switch the order between Barnes and TJones.