A Utah move-up is very possible

Dr Positivity · Post #1 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:05 am

I think moving up to #3 is not only possible, but maybe even likely

The biggest reason why is Cleveland is not a threat to take a PG at 4 + we have our Bosh TPE

So if you're Utah and you like Kemba or Knight as the 3rd best prospect in the board, you can get them at 5 and save money in the process. We take back Raja Bell's contract (two years, 7.4 mil) or an Okur/Barbosa swap (3.2 mil less for Barbosa), maybe we throw in some cash

It'd only happen if they liked Kemba or Knight more than Kanter/Williams. But if they do want one of those PGs, I see no reason why they wouldn't make this deal, presuming we're in as well.

Tenacious_C · Post #2 » by **Tenacious_C** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:07 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:I think moving up to #3 is not only possible, but maybe even likely

The biggest reason why is Cleveland is not a threat to take a PG at 4 + we have our Bosh TPE

So if you're Utah and you like Kemba or Knight as the 3rd best prospect in the board, you can get them at 5 and save money in the process. We take back Raja Bell's contract (two years, 7.4 mil) or an Okur/Barbosa swap (3.2 mil less for Barbosa), maybe we throw in some cash

It'd only happen if they liked Kemba or Knight more than Kanter/Williams. But if they do want one of those PGs, I see no reason why they wouldn't make this deal, presuming we're in as well.

I don't want to take on any new salary until the CBA is reached and even then; not worth it for a #3 pick in this draft, imo.

Raps in 4 · Post #3 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:07 am

They want Jimmer.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #4 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:08 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:I think moving up to #3 is not only possible, but maybe even likely

The biggest reason why is Cleveland is not a threat to take a PG at 4 + we have our Bosh TPE

So if you're Utah and you like Kemba or Knight as the 3rd best prospect in the board, you can get them at 5 and save money in the process. We take back Raja Bell's contract (two years, 7.4 mil) or an Okur/Barbosa swap (3.2 mil less for Barbosa), maybe we throw in some cash

It'd only happen if they liked Kemba or Knight more than Kanter/Williams. But if they do want one of those PGs, I see no reason why they wouldn't make this deal, presuming we're in as well.

What if they like BYU-product Jimmer at 12, and know that they can take a guy like Kanter (or even Williams) with their first pick?

Obviously, this would depend on how they view Jimmer relative to Kemba, Knight.

Snakeyes · Post #5 » by **Snakeyes** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:09 am

I'm not getting my hopes up

Raps in 4 · Post #6 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:10 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Obviously, this would depend on how they view Jimmer relative to Kemba, Knight.

You don't have to guess.

bakafool · Post #7 » by **bakafool** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:13 am

Has Colangelo in the past done anything major with our 1st round picks? I can't seem to remember. All I remember is him sitting back and not doing much at all.

Dr Positivity · Post #8 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:13 am

Tenacious_C wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I think moving up to #3 is not only possible, but maybe even likely

The biggest reason why is Cleveland is not a threat to take a PG at 4 + we have our Bosh TPE

So if you're Utah and you like Kemba or Knight as the 3rd best prospect in the board, you can get them at 5 and save money in the process. We take back Raja Bell's contract (two years, 7.4 mil) or an Okur/Barbosa swap (3.2 mil less for Barbosa), maybe we throw in some cash

It'd only happen if they liked Kemba or Knight more than Kanter/Williams. But if they do want one of those PGs, I see no reason why they wouldn't make this deal, presuming we're in as well.

I don't want to take on any new salary until the CBA is reached and even then; not worth it for a #3 pick in this draft, imo.

It's just 3 mil next season and the year after if it's the Bell deal. Not very much at all. I mean the Bosh TPE was supposed to be value, right.

Not only do most of us like Kanter and Williams more than Knight/Kemba, but we like the idea of keeping Bayless at PG. Getting one of those two instead of a PG is well worth 3 mil for us.. IMO

s e n s i · Post #9 » by **s e n s i** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:14 am

you should email this one to silvestri

ty123 · Post #10 » by **ty123** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:37 am

Utah isn't moving anything. They just lost their franchise guy and I'm sure they would get nothing of equal value. Only Minnoesoeta will be trading.

Dr Positivity · Post #11 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:48 am

Making it more clear. If Utah is going to take Knight or Kemba at 3 and this deal is on the table, they're choosing between

a) Kemba/Knight

or

b) Kemba/Knight + FREE MONEY!!!

Utah is small market and financially responsible. I think they absolutely take Knight at 5 over Knight at 3 if it saves 2 years/7.5 mil of Bell and 5 mil lifetime on the rookie contract. Every team in the league would. It's just smart GMing. Same prospect, cash and cap savings added. Why would anybody take a)?

I think this deal doesn't happen because Williams/Kanter go 2 and 3, or because our bastard ownership won't spoon up the cash even though the Bosh TPE was supposed to be used. Or it just happens and everyone blows BC for getting Enes Kanter and setting up the starting PG spot nicely for Bayless

plainballing · Post #12 » by **plainballing** » Wed May 18, 2011 3:00 am

I think this is possible but it is not a cost I would like it at. Let the draft workout plays on first and you never know. The draft night is always weird.

elmer_yuck · Post #13 » by **elmer_yuck** » Wed May 18, 2011 11:30 pm

What if Cleveland trades #4 to a team that wants a PG?

OAKLEY_2 · Post #14 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:11 am

Let's ask ourselves this question: is Utah getting the defacto replacement for Deron Williams with anybody but Irving while they have Devin Harris? Of course not. If anything they work out a deal so Utah takes Williams and Minny takes Kanter and vets like the aforementioned Bell and Millsap and maybe an additional pick. This is a deal made in heaven for both teams. Devin Harris is the guy there so let us please be real. Utah gets perhaps a quasi franchise player and Minny gets 3 solid players and can still dream about Rubio saving the Twin cities. You can bet the farm that the Raps take Knight or Kemba at 5 (Bayless and Jose be damned) and BC is serious about the pay scale savings at that draft position.

JamesNaismith · Post #15 » by **JamesNaismith** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:15 am

I've heard that Utah is high on Knight so there actually might be a chance....

BUT I'd only want to make that trade if it's DWill that's available.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #16 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:26 am

You know D-Will is available because Cleveland picking Irving is a no-brainer as is going big with the 4th pick. Minny is not going forward with 2 Tweeners at the same position. Minny getting the 3rd means they get to leverage their 2nd pick but still be in control to pick up who they think is the best big.

Volcano · Post #17 » by **Volcano** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:41 am

why would we want the number 3 pick? who are we going to take there?

plainballing · Post #18 » by **plainballing** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:43 am

Volcano wrote:why would we want the number 3 pick? who are we going to take there?

People want either Irving, Williams, or Kanter...that's why.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #19 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:47 am

We absolutely wouldn't. We'll stand pat at 5. I'm suggesting Utah flips picks with Minny and Minny collects some vets and Kanter for their troubles while Utah nets Williams. I do not believe Utah covets Knight more than Williams.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #20 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:50 am

bakafool wrote:Has Colangelo in the past done anything major with our 1st round picks? I can't seem to remember. All I remember is him sitting back and not doing much at all.

traded them away :lol: