realball wrote:Snooch wrote:cage wrote:grizzled.. i forgot all about that bargs-obssessed poster. why do they always say we're the laughing stock whenever bargnani gets hated on? news flash, everyone else **** hates bargnani. it isn't just raptors fans who don't want him. and NYK fans never turn on their own players? come on
Not to the extent of some here.
and why do i constantly get labelled a bargs fan or bargs obbsessed? because i dont follow along with the masses in regards to some of their postings on him.
I never once said he was awesome, I never once said he was efficient, I never once said he was an allstar, I never once said he was great, I never once said he was a great defender, I never once said he was a good rebounder. Never once said he should be a piece to be built around
I have said that sometimes too much emphasis is put on his rebounding numbers, and have said that he is better defender than given credit for, and he does create some spacing on offense, and sometimes isnt used properly because he needs to get engaged in the game(shouldnt need to be coddled but nonetheless while he is here he needs it) the need to get him involved.
Oh and that I still think he is the best(unfortunately) pf on the team. I also post alot of trade possibilities involving him.
So I dont get the bargs fanboy crap. really boggles my mind.
You see, the masses are smart enough to see that Ed Davis and Amir Johnson are better options at PF than Bargnani, and that Bargnani is giant waste of space. The masses realize that we don't need a PF to space the floor all the way to the 3-pt line, just like almost every other f'ing team. Teams destroy us on the offensive glass because of Bargs. And if you need to engage a player for him to play well (and well for him is below league-average production), then that player sucks.
You may think that you're some type of genius because you "don't follow the masses", but in reality, you're just not smart enough to see what everyone else is seeing. If this were a classroom, you'd be the special needs kid.
We're on a basketball forum, we're here to discuss basketball, and that discussion includes criticizing our own players. GTFO if you can't handle it, you don't need to come here and tell us what an amazing fan you are for not having an opinion.
You are calling me a special needs kid and you are the one totally missing the point of my post.
I do not disagree with most of what you have said, never have, other than the fact that alot of teams do have a pf that spaces the floor at lest out to 20 feet, alot beyond that. That Davis and Amir unfortunately are not better option just because they rebound at a better rate.
Im all for discussing basketball i think its great that why i Have been around here for a long time, I can more than handle my own, i dont need to GTFO or any other clever abbreviation you want to use to shows your level of coolness.
I do have opinions as well, many, generally well thought out ones i might add
But back to your response to my post. It was in regards to some stuff spilling out onto twitter. That is a bit ridiculous. Jose got a F'N death threat man. you really don't think that paints this organization, fan base etc poorly? It is terrible and deplorable and shameful all wrapped up into one.
I for one am more than willing to point out faults and flaws, but I keep it civil and solely based on what I see in the game, or what statistics tell us. I don't label bargnani as a lazy euro, he is just lazy where he is born has nothing to do with it. Jose isn't el matador, he is just a slow defender laterally
And while I do feel moves need to be made, I will continue to support my team and the players and root for them to do well....that so bad?
I also prefer keep my complaints/criticisms basketball related and grounded in facts/statistics than getting caught up in the hysteria of GTFO! or twitter campaigns to the extent that I will look past 5 or 6 solid plays, waiting and hoping for that one failed.
I am willing to point out/praise good qualities as well, something that very few will do anymore
