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Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF?

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Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF? 

Post#1 » by sule » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:54 am

The last time the Raptors drafted a PG was Damon Stoudamire. That was the year of this franchises' conception.

The last time we drafted a SF was either Joey Graham (though some might consider him a PF), or Morris Peterson.

Every other year has been a SG, PF, or C.

There have been plenty of times where this team has had the opportunity to draft the best player available (who happened to be a SF...though I won't lay into THAT argument...that's a whole other can of worms), but we didn't use our pick to draft BPA. Instead we used our picks to draft big guys or C's.

Obviously we've had a problem at C for most of our years, and might have our first answer since Valanciunas, but in terms of drafting PG's and SF's, has there been any other team that's been as allergic to drafting for these two very important positions?

It seems that our team philosophy has been that PG's and SF's are a dime-a-dozen, and we just have to use our assets to trade for a legit one (something we've been waiting forever for).

If anyone has an answer, please feel free to share. Otherwise, the floor is officially open to discussion.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#2 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:58 am

Because with Calderon we supposedly were "good" there.

If it makes you feel better Colangelo wanted to draft Jrue Holiday instead of DeRozan and Avery Bradley instead of Ed Davis....if that counts???

But hey he liked Alridge but also selected Bargnani because we needed a "center" next to Bosh.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#3 » by sanity » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:11 am

Our team's perspective on its 'long-term' core has been void of any realistic thought process. Changing the game and becoming the 'Suns of the East' then (somehow) adapting to the 'guards rule the league' mandate. Just total incompetence and disregard for the basics of what makes a good basketball team.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#4 » by StatLine » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:53 am

Hindsight is 20/20
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#5 » by AMG » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:54 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:Because with Calderon we supposedly were "good" there.

If it makes you feel better Colangelo wanted to draft Jrue Holiday instead of DeRozan and Avery Bradley instead of Ed Davis....if that counts???

But hey he liked Alridge but also selected Bargnani because we needed a "center" next to Bosh.


I don't remember hearing about Colangelo wanting Jrue and Bradley. I remember the Alridge thing. Were there articles on this back then?
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#6 » by Time for Change » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:14 am

Hey, ever year BC says he tries to buy a late 1st to draft a PG or SF like Rondo, Lawson or Fields. He just hasn't finalized one yet.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#7 » by Scase » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:15 am

sule wrote:The last time the Raptors drafted a PG was Damon Stoudamire. That was the year of this franchises' conception.

The last time we drafted a SF was either Joey Graham (though some might consider him a PF), or Morris Peterson.

Every other year has been a SG, PF, or C.

There have been plenty of times where this team has had the opportunity to draft the best player available (who happened to be a SF...though I won't lay into THAT argument...that's a whole other can of worms), but we didn't use our pick to draft BPA. Instead we used our picks to draft big guys or C's.

Obviously we've had a problem at C for most of our years, and might have our first answer since Valanciunas, but in terms of drafting PG's and SF's, has there been any other team that's been as allergic to drafting for these two very important positions?

It seems that our team philosophy has been that PG's and SF's are a dime-a-dozen, and we just have to use our assets to trade for a legit one (something we've been waiting forever for).

If anyone has an answer, please feel free to share. Otherwise, the floor is officially open to discussion.

And yet our SG,PF and C positions right now are mediocre at best hahaha
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#8 » by martypython » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:47 am

sule wrote:The last time the Raptors drafted a PG was Damon Stoudamire. That was the year of this franchises' conception.

The last time we drafted a SF was either Joey Graham (though some might consider him a PF), or Morris Peterson.

Every other year has been a SG, PF, or C.

There have been plenty of times where this team has had the opportunity to draft the best player available (who happened to be a SF...though I won't lay into THAT argument...that's a whole other can of worms), but we didn't use our pick to draft BPA. Instead we used our picks to draft big guys or C's.

Obviously we've had a problem at C for most of our years, and might have our first answer since Valanciunas, but in terms of drafting PG's and SF's, has there been any other team that's been as allergic to drafting for these two very important positions?

It seems that our team philosophy has been that PG's and SF's are a dime-a-dozen, and we just have to use our assets to trade for a legit one (something we've been waiting forever for).

If anyone has an answer, please feel free to share. Otherwise, the floor is officially open to discussion.


2009- Push, Jennings is even more inefficient than Derozan.
2010- Ed Davis was Top 5 talent before knee surgery killed his season
2011- You really want Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker over Valanciunas?
2012- Weak PG draft, Barnes was drafted ahead by a coin toss, and it was between Austin Rivers, Drummound, Lamb and Ross.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#9 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:05 am

martypython wrote:
sule wrote:The last time the Raptors drafted a PG was Damon Stoudamire. That was the year of this franchises' conception.

The last time we drafted a SF was either Joey Graham (though some might consider him a PF), or Morris Peterson.

Every other year has been a SG, PF, or C.

There have been plenty of times where this team has had the opportunity to draft the best player available (who happened to be a SF...though I won't lay into THAT argument...that's a whole other can of worms), but we didn't use our pick to draft BPA. Instead we used our picks to draft big guys or C's.

Obviously we've had a problem at C for most of our years, and might have our first answer since Valanciunas, but in terms of drafting PG's and SF's, has there been any other team that's been as allergic to drafting for these two very important positions?

It seems that our team philosophy has been that PG's and SF's are a dime-a-dozen, and we just have to use our assets to trade for a legit one (something we've been waiting forever for).

If anyone has an answer, please feel free to share. Otherwise, the floor is officially open to discussion.


2009- Push, Jennings is even more inefficient than Derozan.
2010- Ed Davis was Top 5 talent before knee surgery killed his season
2011- You really want Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker over Valanciunas?
2012- Weak PG draft, Barnes was drafted ahead by a coin toss, and it was between Austin Rivers, Drummound, Lamb and Ross.


I don't fault him for Ed Davis despite Bradley being one of the best lockdown defenders in the league and of course Valanciunas was a great pick considering what was left but just to play devil's advocate...

2009 - BC was actually considering Jrue is a 6'4 PG who is beasting with 19/9/4 per game (not BJ)
2012 - Drummond has THE highest PER (22) out of anyone in this draft (yes above Lillard and Davis). He was a projected top 5 pick and fell into our laps and Colangelo passed on him after admitting he has "top 3 talent" something he has never said about Ross....unforgivable and inexcusable. It is so stupid it's mind baffling how you pass on someone you openly consider a top 3 talent (in a deep draft nonetheless) when you're at #8 in the draft,.

But I regress....the bottomline is if you don't have that franchise talent in place it should always be BPA.

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Post#10 » by Scase » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:18 am

The word you're looking for is digress not regress.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#11 » by Indeed » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:52 am

We drafted Calderon.

And LA Lakers drafted someone other than Kobe and perhaps Bynum?
What about Brooklyn and New York? Houston other than Yao?

You are really luck if you depend on the drafting.
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Post#12 » by C_Money » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:25 am

We picked the wrong time to rebuild. The drafts have been horrible lately. You can even see it with teams like Detroit where Will Bynum is out playing Brandon Knight in alot of games.
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Post#13 » by bonjovi0308 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:04 am

I might get flamed but i always wanted bledsoe over ed davis and still do. Ed Davis might be the bpa but with bargs and amir there really had no point drafting another pf unless u draft and flip him to another team or he is a cant miss superstar like blake griffin
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Post#14 » by Santoki » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:06 pm

Indeed wrote:We drafted Calderon.

And LA Lakers drafted someone other than Kobe and perhaps Bynum?
What about Brooklyn and New York? Houston other than Yao?

You are really luck if you depend on the drafting.


Signed Calderon as a free agent.

And the NBA is ENTIRELY dependent on drafting. You draft one of the Top 5 players of the decade and you will be a contender.

The only team to have any kind of success without a "superstar" were the Pistons. Although, they also had 4 all-stars that year along with a young Tayshaun. The only way the Raps ever become good is when they hit the jackpot in the draft. There's no point in even getting bent out of shape with the way this team plays because the best you'll ever be without a superstar is first or second round fodder.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#15 » by GREATPURPLESHARK » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:16 pm

Just in case anyone is forgetting, we did draft Vince Carter, and he did play SF for a year or two before they traded Doug Christie because VC didn't want to play against the bigger SF's of the league and wanted to play SG instead.
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Post#16 » by ansoncarter » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:20 pm

StatLine wrote:Hindsight is 20/20

some of us have been saying it's a guard/wing league the second they got rid of illegal defence. That was 10 years ago.
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Post#17 » by fredericklove » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:37 pm

GREATPURPLESHARK wrote:Just in case anyone is forgetting, we did draft Vince Carter, and he did play SF for a year or two before they traded Doug Christie because VC didn't want to play against the bigger SF's of the league and wanted to play SG instead.


Just to correct you, we didn't draft Vince. We drafted Antawn.
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Post#18 » by sule » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:46 pm

GREATPURPLESHARK wrote:Just in case anyone is forgetting, we did draft Vince Carter, and he did play SF for a year or two before they traded Doug Christie because VC didn't want to play against the bigger SF's of the league and wanted to play SG instead.


Vince was a natural SG that we were playing out of position. That's why he had them switch him to SG. They thought he could play SF b/c of his athleticism.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#19 » by Felixano » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:08 pm

Last I checked TMac was a SF? No?

Man I'm just thinking what if we took Kemba in 2011 and Drummond this year. Then did a proper **** tank and got Bazz. I know hindsight is 20/20 but:

Kemba
DeRozan
Shabazz
Davis
Drummond

Looks a lot nicer than the crap we have right now.
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Re: Has any other team been as averse to drafting a PG or SF 

Post#20 » by bumbleboy » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:37 pm

The premise of this topic is off. The Raptors have never been "averse" to drafting a pg or sf. They have been averse to drafting the sf's and pg's that have been available at their draft points. Most recently, the Raptors were interested in both Barnes and Lillard. But they've been linked to various pgs in the past - Holiday, Parker, Felton to name just a few - but either haven't won at the lottery or haven't been able to secure a second pick that would have brought them to the team.

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