Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care?

[Randle McMurphy]

He's really there for passing, defence and getting to the line.

Considering he isn't a particularly good passer or defender, that doesn't bode well for him (or more importantly, this team).

Have you been watching this season at all? He's been great at making plays and defending.

Yes. His assist rate is down from last year and he remains a mediocre defender at best (and that's probably being kind). He was a much better player in 2013-2014.

[team edward]

I appreciate stats and good shooting percentage as much as anyone, but you will be hard-pressed to find anyone in the league who will tell you Demar DeRozan is a bad player. There is a reason teams gameplay their defence to stop him and force their best defender on him. Maybe the only person who would say that is Daryl Morey and pathetic Raptor fans.

Amir Johnson has one of the highest shooting percentages in the league, including 3pt%. Therefore he is our best offensive player and should be taking 20 shots/game and we should win with ease. Stupid Casey.

[Raps in 4]

One has to also understand though that he is deliberately trying to draw contact. By doing that you will be putting up shots that will likely not be going in as you are getting hit on the shot. If you can get the calls, foul shots are actually superior in many ways to shooting typical shots.

What it will do:
- Lower your FG%
- Still result in needed points
- Cause foul trouble on the opponent
- Act as a timeout in the delay of game
- Stop the clock

It's not fair to compare FG% of those that don't get to the line to those that do. It's not a fair comparison. Trading shots at 50% and not getting to the line won't win you more games than getting to the line at 40%.

So he's missing his shots because he's trying to draw contact?

Let's look at some other wings/guards with similar FTA per game to Derozan:

Harden
Lebron
Butler
Durant
Kobe
Westbrook

Sans Westbrook and Kobe, these are some of the most efficient shooters in the NBA. Your excuse has reached Bargnani fanboy levels.

[realball]

Considering he isn't a particularly good passer or defender, that doesn't bode well for him (or more importantly, this team).

Have you been watching this season at all? He's been great at making plays and defending.

Yes. His assist rate is down from last year and he remains a mediocre defender at best (and that's probably being kind). He was a much better player in 2013-2014.

He's easily been our best perimeter defender after James Johnson. He's been good enough to put on opposing teams' best wings during crucial parts of the game. He's also averaging nearly 5 assists per 36 in February. His passing has been fine.

The only concern with him is the horrendous shooting. Unfortunately, there are not many other SGs we could get who are better at the same price, so we have to live with it for now.

[Raps in 4]

Have you been watching this season at all? He's been great at making plays and defending.

Yes. His assist rate is down from last year and he remains a mediocre defender at best (and that's probably being kind). He was a much better player in 2013-2014.

He's easily been our best perimeter defender after James Johnson. He's been good enough to put on opposing teams' best wings during crucial parts of the game. He's also averaging nearly 5 assists per 36 in February. His passing has been fine.

The only concern with him is the horrendous shooting. Unfortunately, there are not many other SGs we could get who are better at the same price, so we have to live with it for now.

We can limit his shooting. There is no reason for him to take so many shots.

[JonBones]

I'm not trying to nitpick because Demar has improved, but that frigin sling shot form has gotta go. He's like 5-6 years into the league now and he still hasn't been able to be a consistent jump shooter. The sling shot/catapult just doesn't leave you with that same feel when the ball leaves your hand so you know if it's going in or something you need to adjust.

[GoSu]

BBall player who can't hit anything, trade him.

[Boogie!]

One has to also understand though that he is deliberately trying to draw contact. By doing that you will be putting up shots that will likely not be going in as you are getting hit on the shot. If you can get the calls, foul shots are actually superior in many ways to shooting typical shots.

What it will do:
- Lower your FG%
- Still result in needed points
- Cause foul trouble on the opponent
- Act as a timeout in the delay of game
- Stop the clock

It's not fair to compare FG% of those that don't get to the line to those that do. It's not a fair comparison. Trading shots at 50% and not getting to the line won't win you more games than getting to the line at 40%.

Go look at hardens, westbrooks, Durants and cousins fg percentages and get back to me.

[Got Nuffin]

Go look at hardens, westbrooks, Durants and cousins fg percentages and get back to me.

Those guys are superstars and full max players. I don't think anybody is saying Demar belongs in that conversation. If at some stage his fg% does pick up however, if he continues to draw fouls, pass and defend at this level he'll be a damn damn good player.

Right now he's still pretty good.

We're certainly look awful without him (on both ends), that's for sure.

[Rushodian]

He'll be fine. He's shooting has dropped off, but he tries his damnedest to make up for it in other ways. Also, DeMar just seems like the type of dude that will work through this. He's still young. He'll have plenty of time to get his shot back. Trading him without getting something really, really good back would be crazy. He can be an elite 2 guard in this league. Arguably, he already is.

[LastNameEver]

I literally lmao when Leo/Jack and Matt say he was having an allstar season sans injury

**** company boys.

More on topic, everything DD oriented should be going to towards the basket in a PnR situation or coming off a curl. Everything.

He hasnt proven to be effective in an iso situation, besides flukes like tonight.

[Boogie!]

Go look at hardens, westbrooks, Durants and cousins fg percentages and get back to me.

Those guys are superstars and full max players. I don't think anybody is saying Demar belongs in that conversation. If at some stage his fg% does pick up however, if he continues to draw fouls, pass and defend at this level he'll be a damn damn good player.

Right now he's still pretty good.

We're certainly look awful without him (on both ends), that's for sure.

Please actually read the post I was responding to then read my response and try to understand the reason I wrotecwhat I wrote.

[Got Nuffin]

Go look at hardens, westbrooks, Durants and cousins fg percentages and get back to me.

Those guys are superstars and full max players. I don't think anybody is saying Demar belongs in that conversation. If at some stage his fg% does pick up however, if he continues to draw fouls, pass and defend at this level he'll be a damn damn good player.

Right now he's still pretty good.

We're certainly look awful without him (on both ends), that's for sure.

Please actually read the post I was responding to.

lol and your point being? The vast majority of superstars get to the line a tonne.

He was saying that getting ft has to be taken into consideration rather than look at raw fg%, because it affects the game, and his game, a helluva lot.

[Boogie!]

Those guys are superstars and full max players. I don't think anybody is saying Demar belongs in that conversation. If at some stage his fg% does pick up however, if he continues to draw fouls, pass and defend at this level he'll be a damn damn good player.

Right now he's still pretty good.

We're certainly look awful without him (on both ends), that's for sure.

Please actually read the post I was responding to.

lol and your point being? The vast majority of superstars get to the line a tonne.

He was saying that getting ft has to be taken into consideration rather than look at raw fg%, because it affects the game, and his game, a helluva lot.

Ok.

[Boogie_Smooth]

we should care, he takes about 5 bad shots a game. I sense that since he has gotten better handles as of late he feels like he needs to show people and is prone to over-dribbling then shooting a long contested two. Even the last shot last night, although it went it, was a terrible shot to take in the last few seconds of a game.

[Indeed]

No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.

Give it up.

Even with a terrible jumper, he's more effective than Ross in every aspect of basketball.

Better handles - Their handle is about the same, but he gets more experience, and he has been in the league longer
Better finishing inside - He is a SF, Ross' game is SG, which is pull up (watch Alvin Williams)
Better ability to draw contact - His mentality helps, while part of it is experience and being in the league. Would Jonas gets the same call? Ross does not even get touches
Better passing - Ross is a better passer, but lack of experience.
Better rebounding - Neither are good at rebounding, they just clog the paint. Lowry is a very good rebounder
Better defense - Post defense is better, due to being bigger (SF), but Ross is way ahead of perimeter defense and slightly better at help defense due to awareness
Better pick and roll reads - Ross does not get much Pick And Roll, but Ross has a better feel of the game in this part, just lack of experience. Ross is expected to excel in this category (should be very good), but lack opportunity. Ross should be very good at this if we are really trying to develop him (Casey isn't really developing Ross, imo)
Better post game - Perhaps important in the Jordan era, and for dribble penetration, Ross is better
Better footwork - Ross is better with his footwork

Shall I continue?

We get it. You're more of a Ross fan than you are a Raptors fan.

Comparing apple and orange on offense here, as Ross never gets touches.
You are also comparing someone in Hero mentality with someone in Team mentality.

Ross is a team oriented player, he will give the ball to someone in post up (when he gets less pressure from fans in asking him to draw fouls/drive to the basket). His game should be more focus in PnR and ball penetration, play the point as an off guard. Perhaps next year when we have less ball dominated players (Lowry, Vasquez, DeRozan, Lou, James Johnson, they all need the ball, simply not enough touches for Ross and Jonas).

DeRozan is a hero oriented player, he needs the ball in order to perform. His game is focused in slashing. He needs to be heavily setup (using screens, unlike Ross with dribble penetration), and use his size to get contact (basically SF game). As he does not do well in Pick and Roll, he does not pass to roller very often (he passes to corner 3s or the non screen big).

DeRozan is more a polished product, you are basically knowing what he can do. Ross does not get much attention in developing his offense, lack of PnR experience, which is his natural game.

[raptors3]

I like Ross and all but I don't get how anyone can think he's better then Demar. Sure he has the tools to be, but in reality he is no where near Demar's level. You can say all you want about experience, playing time, or w.e but the fact is that at the end of the day Demar is much more valuable then Ross and is pretty much consistently better in every aspect other then shooting.

Ross was given the opportunity to show what he could do when Demar went out and it turned out to be highly underwhelming. Again, maybe Ross will reach Demar's level in the future but as of right now I absolutely have no idea how anyone can say he is better then Demar.

[Lowrys Chode]

No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.

Give it up.

Even with a terrible jumper, he's more effective than Ross in every aspect of basketball.

Better handles - Their handle is about the same, but he gets more experience, and he has been in the league longer
Better finishing inside - He is a SF, Ross' game is SG, which is pull up (watch Alvin Williams)
Better ability to draw contact - His mentality helps, while part of it is experience and being in the league. Would Jonas gets the same call? Ross does not even get touches
Better passing - Ross is a better passer, but lack of experience.
Better rebounding - Neither are good at rebounding, they just clog the paint. Lowry is a very good rebounder
Better defense - Post defense is better, due to being bigger (SF), but Ross is way ahead of perimeter defense and slightly better at help defense due to awareness
Better pick and roll reads - Ross does not get much Pick And Roll, but Ross has a better feel of the game in this part, just lack of experience. Ross is expected to excel in this category (should be very good), but lack opportunity. Ross should be very good at this if we are really trying to develop him (Casey isn't really developing Ross, imo)
Better post game - Perhaps important in the Jordan era, and for dribble penetration, Ross is better
Better footwork - Ross is better with his footwork

Shall I continue?

We get it. You're more of a Ross fan than you are a Raptors fan.

Comparing apple and orange on offense here, as Ross never gets touches.
You are also comparing someone in Hero mentality with someone in Team mentality.

Ross is a team oriented player, he will give the ball to someone in post up (when he gets less pressure from fans in asking him to draw fouls/drive to the basket). His game should be more focus in PnR and ball penetration, play the point as an off guard. Perhaps next year when we have less ball dominated players (Lowry, Vasquez, DeRozan, Lou, James Johnson, they all need the ball, simply not enough touches for Ross and Jonas).

DeRozan is a hero oriented player, he needs the ball in order to perform. His game is focused in slashing. He needs to be heavily setup (using screens, unlike Ross with dribble penetration), and use his size to get contact (basically SF game). As he does not do well in Pick and Roll, he does not pass to roller very often (he passes to corner 3s or the non screen big).

DeRozan is more a polished product, you are basically knowing what he can do. Ross does not get much attention in developing his offense, lack of PnR experience, which is his natural game.

I hope you're trolling, because you can't possibly be serious.

If his natural game is pick and roll, why did he have abysmally low assist numbers in college? Why has that carried over to the pros?

Ross is better at dribble penetration? In what alternate reality?

Ross is a better defender? All metrics would argue otherwise.

The only thing you're right about is Demar having a hero mentality, which “most definitely" needs to be reigned in.

[dTox]

Didn't know where to post this but, I might as well here. I was playing 2k yesterday and noticed that the latest roster update has JV with a higher rating than Demar

[Basketball_Jones]

He's a streaky jump shooter, always has been. Seems to come into a bit of a zone towards the end of the year for some reason. Every year.