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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#21 » by curryking3 » Mon May 23, 2016 1:03 am

agentzero2010 wrote:Just a thought: Is anyone still missing Amir? I almost forgot about him...

Biyombo is like Super Amir.

Except he has no 3 obviously. Dude is jumping out of the building every night and he is young. Can't beat that. Biyombo ftw.

Pay this dude $10 million and let's see if Demar stays or goes. I'd happily build around Lowry + JV with space to add another piece and Biyombo holding down the bench unit.
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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#22 » by orbesnet » Mon May 23, 2016 1:31 am

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orbesnet wrote:Oh man, I hope MU has got a plan to keeping BB8 around. Youthful rotations at the C of JV and BB for years to come = wow.

24 million per year dedicated to the center position? And 2 guys who think they are worth bigger starter minutes? That might be troublesome in the years to come...

Is it possible that Masai elects to keep Bismack, but then dangles JV in hopes of landing another star perhaps at PF?


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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#23 » by dekobedeharden » Mon May 23, 2016 2:19 am

Thor23 wrote:Biz will most likely accept a 3 millionper year deal to stay with the man who has singlehandedly improved his game to new levels. Demar.....

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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#24 » by stillhere » Mon May 23, 2016 2:29 pm

agentzero2010 wrote:Just a thought: Is anyone still missing Amir? I almost forgot about him...


I just picked up a Johnson jersey the other day. I felt like I had to do it out of respect (...and it was 50% off). I wish he was on this journey with us right now. Not at 12 mil though. Hah.
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Post#25 » by Yosemite Dan » Mon May 23, 2016 3:30 pm

If BB really wants to stay here, why wouldn't he sign a contract that that's more back ended so the first year is less upfront and then increased accordingly when the cap increases in ensuing years. If they can agree on the term and total dollar amount then making it heavier on the back end makes sense for both sides and BB is not losing out because his money is guaranteed.

Couldn't they agree to a 4 year, 48 million contract while paying 3 million the 1st year and 15 million for the remaining 3 years? Is that against the collective bargaining rules somehow? Russell Martin did that with the Jays.
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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#26 » by YogurtProducer » Mon May 23, 2016 3:44 pm

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agentzero2010 wrote:Just a thought: Is anyone still missing Amir? I almost forgot about him...


I just picked up a Johnson jersey the other day. I felt like I had to do it out of respect (...and it was 50% off). I wish he was on this journey with us right now. Not at 12 mil though. Hah.

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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#27 » by Buyaka » Mon May 23, 2016 4:09 pm

Couldn't biz agree to MLE $ (2 yr deal with second yr player option). Renegotiate to get paid next year. Meaning, his total contract value to same as getting a $40-50M deal from another team this year?
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Post#28 » by Spex » Mon May 23, 2016 4:19 pm

Yosemite Dan wrote:If BB really wants to stay here, why wouldn't he sign a contract that that's more back ended so the first year is less upfront and then increased accordingly when the cap increases in ensuing years. If they can agree on the term and total dollar amount then making it heavier on the back end makes sense for both sides and BB is not losing out because his money is guaranteed.

Couldn't they agree to a 4 year, 48 million contract while paying 3 million the 1st year and 15 million for the remaining 3 years? Is that against the collective bargaining rules somehow? Russell Martin did that with the Jays.


That's not how the nba works, there is a max raise per year and it's a percentage of the previous year so we can't really give out deals like that.

Buyaka wrote:Couldn't biz agree to MLE $ (2 yr deal with second yr player option). Renegotiate to get paid next year. Meaning, his total contract value to same as getting a $40-50M deal from another team this year?


He could, but he'd be giving up long term guaranteed money in the case of an injury and money next year.
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Post#29 » by deeps6x » Mon May 23, 2016 5:51 pm

Biggest laugh in the article was at this: "The great North American writer Bruce Arthur ..."

Woj, you cracked me up.
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Post#30 » by Patman » Mon May 23, 2016 7:54 pm

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agentzero2010 wrote:Just a thought: Is anyone still missing Amir? I almost forgot about him...

Biyombo is like Super Amir.

Except he has no 3 obviously. Dude is jumping out of the building every night and he is young. Can't beat that. Biyombo ftw.

Pay this dude $10 million and let's see if Demar stays or goes. I'd happily build around Lowry + JV with space to add another piece and Biyombo holding down the bench unit.


Amir was a better player than Biz by most measures. Biz just gives you the odd monster games, but Amir was much more consistent.
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Post#31 » by Badonkadonk » Mon May 23, 2016 8:14 pm

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raptor jesus wrote:Masai rules.

“He sees Hakeem, and he wants to work out with him,” Ujiri told The Vertical late Saturday night. “So I called him into the room, and said, ‘Biz, with all due respect, I’ve had all kinds of guys go work out with Hakeem. At the end of the day, there’s only one Hakeem in the world and there will never be another one. That guy was a ballerina. I don’t care what you think you’re going to do with that guy but … no, forget it.’

“Go watch Tyson Chandler. Rebound. Block shots. Run. That’s your bread and butter. Listen, Biz, I don’t know if anyone’s throwing you the ball in the post.”

Brutally honest...but effective. I can't wait until he has a sit-down with Ross...

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Love it. Reminds me of the Lowry sit-down.

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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#32 » by Grandia » Mon May 23, 2016 8:26 pm

One play in particular, a hard foul committed by one of the Raptors’ stars of the night, Bismack Biyombo, in which he wrapped James around the neck and popped him in the jaw to try to stop a layup with 3:21 to go, was on James’ brain.


I got this from NBA.COM. Even SVG said it's no flagrant one. Typical NBA propaganda.
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Post#33 » by verysalt » Mon May 23, 2016 8:34 pm

I can't believe Raps would let him go. If only there would be a way to retain both - JV and Bis, this tandem would be even more entertaining once both of them would reach their real potential.
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Post#34 » by Lateral Quicks » Mon May 23, 2016 10:14 pm

Centre Court wrote:This is what Woj thinks it will take to sign BB. Get 'er done Masai.

He can barely catch the ball, but could command $12 million-$14 million a year on this free-agent market. Surround him with shooters, and let the man loose.


If you look at Biz' numbers this year, they're essentially a carbon copy of the previous year. And after that year, Biz had to take a pay cut from ~$3.9M to $3M to come here.

Sure he's had some great games, but there's absolutely no way he deserves $12M-$14M. The consistency isn't yet there, and there are major limitations (read: offense) to his game.

And I say that as a Biz fan who'd love to have him back. Anything more than $7M-$8M per and you've got to let him walk.
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Post#36 » by agentzero2010 » Mon May 23, 2016 10:33 pm

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curryking3 wrote:
agentzero2010 wrote:Just a thought: Is anyone still missing Amir? I almost forgot about him...

Biyombo is like Super Amir.

Except he has no 3 obviously. Dude is jumping out of the building every night and he is young. Can't beat that. Biyombo ftw.

Pay this dude $10 million and let's see if Demar stays or goes. I'd happily build around Lowry + JV with space to add another piece and Biyombo holding down the bench unit.


Amir was a better player than Biz by most measures. Biz just gives you the odd monster games, but Amir was much more consistent.


Amir is a far better player on the offensive side but he can't hold down the fort on the defensive end like Biyombo.
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Post#37 » by Dennis 37 » Tue May 24, 2016 12:33 am

We can't just look at what Biyombo does, but his affect on his teammates. Their confidence level rises because of how he plays. He truly is a player who makes his teammates better.
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Re: Woj Article- How Bismack Saved the ECF 

Post#38 » by Patman » Tue May 24, 2016 1:24 am

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curryking3 wrote:Biyombo is like Super Amir.

Except he has no 3 obviously. Dude is jumping out of the building every night and he is young. Can't beat that. Biyombo ftw.

Pay this dude $10 million and let's see if Demar stays or goes. I'd happily build around Lowry + JV with space to add another piece and Biyombo holding down the bench unit.


Amir was a better player than Biz by most measures. Biz just gives you the odd monster games, but Amir was much more consistent.


Amir is a far better player on the offensive side but he can't hold down the fort on the defensive end like Biyombo.


The numbers say otherwise. Biyombo is a better shotblocker, that's about it. Amir anchored a defense that included JV, Ross, and DD when they were all defensively green.
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Post#39 » by agentzero2010 » Tue May 24, 2016 1:38 am

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agentzero2010 wrote:
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Amir was a better player than Biz by most measures. Biz just gives you the odd monster games, but Amir was much more consistent.


Amir is a far better player on the offensive side but he can't hold down the fort on the defensive end like Biyombo.


The numbers say otherwise. Biyombo is a better shotblocker, that's about it. Amir anchored a defense that included JV, Ross, and DD when they were all defensively green.


Would you play Amir over Biyombo right now?
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Post#40 » by Patman » Tue May 24, 2016 1:46 am

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agentzero2010 wrote:
Amir is a far better player on the offensive side but he can't hold down the fort on the defensive end like Biyombo.


The numbers say otherwise. Biyombo is a better shotblocker, that's about it. Amir anchored a defense that included JV, Ross, and DD when they were all defensively green.


Would you play Amir over Biyombo right now?


Amir from 2 years ago, yes. Biyombo has had 2 poor games, and 1.5 great ones. He's had a solid series overall, but let's not be revisionist historians.
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