SOTD: The analytic case for Poeltl as BPA at 9 is quite strong

[zippy]

Did I say that? Did I say that we're a championship? But does Randolph and Milsap (Both past 30) make us a championship team? All you're doing is hanging on to being the second seed and mortgaging long-term success. This team was the second best team in the East and went to he Conference Finals, no other teams have made moves (yet, which is my main point) that pushes them ahead. But here you are assuming everyone else improves on internal growth or makes some moves they haven't made yet and get better. It's the classic everyone else's situation is better than ours argument that comes up.

Could teams surpass us? Absolutely, could those teams all be better? Absolutely but it's not definite and we haven't even seen what moves we make or the growth of our own guys. If you had the JV that was playing in the playoffs for an entire season that's a huge boost alone.

I'll just live with "it remains to be seen" for now. I hope we make a major move this off-season, add a starting calibre power forward, a lights out shooting wing, and a vet.

[whysoserious]

Did I say that? Did I say that we're a championship? But does Randolph and Milsap (Both past 30) make us a championship team? All you're doing is hanging on to being the second seed and mortgaging long-term success. This team was the second best team in the East and went to he Conference Finals, no other teams have made moves (yet, which is my main point) that pushes them ahead. But here you are assuming everyone else improves on internal growth or makes some moves they haven't made yet and get better. It's the classic everyone else's situation is better than ours argument that comes up.

Could teams surpass us? Absolutely, could those teams all be better? Absolutely but it's not definite and we haven't even seen what moves we make or the growth of our own guys. If you had the JV that was playing in the playoffs for an entire season that's a huge boost alone.

I'll just live with "it remains to be seen" for now. I hope we make a major move this off-season, add a starting calibre power forward, a lights out shooting wing, and a vet.

If that's what you're hoping for you are going to be terribly disappointed. Cause the likelihood of that happening with what we have available is very minimal. They are all things we should look for to improve but that doesn't mean if we don't get em we absolutely take a step back. The core of this team remains relatively young so a full season of Carrol and the playoff version of JV may be enough to keep us as one of the top 2-3 teams.

And all the teams behind us, while having much more available to them to improve could also be the same or worse. If Whiteside leaves Miami for example they are dramatically worse and I'm not sure who's signing up to play with an aging Wade.

[notsla refar]

You could say the same things about us as what you said for Boston and Charlotte.

Don't worry, the sky isn't falling.

I know it isn't, my argument is simply if we don't make any other moves this off-season and we go into next season with this roster. We're in trouble and looking at a very early playoff exit.

Well, I can't say I agree with you, but I don't really understand why you're worried about that anyway. Free agency doesn't even start til July 1st.

[Troubadour]

Thaddeus Young was traded for the 20th pick, so the 27th pick wasn't going to get it done. Would you have traded the 9th pick for Thaddeus Young?

Probably if we could've taken some more young talent in return I would've seriously considered the 9th and more for Young + more (Ellington or even Bogdanovic somehow).

To absorb that salary, we would have had to move another player in that trade. You would do Ross + #9 for Young + Bogdanovic?

[Double Helix]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/pac12network/status/746140445479141376[/tweet]

I like that clip. Cool with the accomplishments also splashed in there. Watch it if you haven't.

[MS13]

Horrible Pick. Wow. How do we manage to screw up almost every draft?

Who would you have taken? Poeltl was the best player available.

Traded for pretty much any established big man at this point. Now we got a backup centre.

Did you not think that maybe Masai has tried doing this but there were no takers? Or the package we made isn't good enough?

Mans over here make trading sound so easy.

[hlaibo]

I think agility and mobility relative to his size are probably the two areas that are perhaps most underrated about Poeltl. He isn't a big time leaper but some of the agility on display here for a 7'1 dude truly does impress me.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCGI71BclRk&sns=tw[/youtube]

I'm just going to flat out state it. Controversial as it may be to some of JV's biggest fans from around the world (many of whom prefer Sabonis). I'm not convinced JV could do (or can do) some of the things I'm seeing in that video at age 20. JV's motor and pick and roll game are higher but in terms of agility and finesse at the same age? I might honestly have to give the edge to Poeltl.

Even if he is say... 90% the prospect of JV at the same age (JV was a beast at the U19) we're still talking about a guy who compares pretty well with literally the best young asset on our team. That alone suggests to me he's likely BPA at 9 and that he could prove to be an asset with tremendous trade value should we choose not to keep him long-term.

1. Runs the floor extremely well for his size
2. Great feet in the post. His moves are simple, but the way he rips and pivots are pretty effective.
3. Excellent hands. Looks like he can catch and finish everything.
4. Soft shooting touch and good mechanics gives me confidence that he can someday get out to the 3pt line.

I see no reason why he can't be a good to great big man in the new NBA. My only concern is how much of his athleticism he loses when he puts on that extra 20lbs.

[Patman]

Horrible Pick. Wow. How do we manage to screw up almost every draft?

Terrible. Awful.

[Volcano]

^lmao, that's just cruel

[CoachJReturns]

Poeltl may be the best boring/un-sexy/safe and rational pick this team has ever made. He's just a guy that knows how to play the game.

[RaptorsLife]

Thank u ibm Watson

[zippy]

Horrible Pick. Wow. How do we manage to screw up almost every draft?

Terrible. Awful.

You obviously have way too much time on your hands.

[Patman]

Horrible Pick. Wow. How do we manage to screw up almost every draft?

Terrible. Awful.

You obviously have way too much time on your hands.

Plenty. Unlimited.

[Big Mac Biyombo]

Horrible Pick. Wow. How do we manage to screw up almost every draft?

Terrible. Awful.

You obviously have way too much time on your hands.

Come on. Be a good sport. I admittedly didn't like the pick at the time. Particularly considering how great JV looked in the 2016 playoffs.

[gerrit4]

Watching this interview again -

Watch on YouTube

It's amazing just how honest and self-aware he is. He really had a great sense of what he was good at (quick feet, offensive/defensive awareness, making the right play).

It's also interesting what he doesn't do on this team - he rarely ever shoots, dribbles, or posts up. It's all rolling to the rim, quick layups, putbacks.

He seemed to be interested in becoming a shooter, but that's pretty far fetched I think...

[Hero_Panda]

Still don't know what to make of Yak. He's already proven he belongs in the league as a backup big at least, but what characteristic(s) would best describe his game? What kind of impression does he leave when he steps off the court? What are the team's plans for him in terms of development?

My expectations are pretty high considering he was a top 10 pick.

[raptorstime]

i was wrong about young yak. He has been amazing for us!

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Watching this interview again -

Watch on YouTube

It's amazing just how honest and self-aware he is. He really had a great sense of what he was good at (quick feet, offensive/defensive awareness, making the right play).

It's also interesting what he doesn't do on this team - he rarely ever shoots, dribbles, or posts up. It's all rolling to the rim, quick layups, putbacks.

He seemed to be interested in becoming a shooter, but that's pretty far fetched I think...

I hope its not farfetched for yak to make any kind of midrange shot, or hit a decent majority of his free throws. Its defnitely worth for him to work on his shot. Hell if he gets good enough he could become JV 2.0 and become one of the most underpaid bigs in the league according to Doug Smith!

And wow, some idiot went and and1ed all the posts in this thread yesterday I think. Talk about having no life.

[whitehops]

And wow, some idiot went and and1ed all the posts in this thread yesterday I think. Talk about having no life.

lol

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Terrible. Awful.

You obviously have way too much time on your hands.

Plenty. Unlimited.

omg you made my day.