Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

[SpezNc]

That Grizzlies win pretty much guarantees we finish 6th.

Not yet.

Too soon to call.

With RJ/Quick back there is still a possibility that we win some games.

That Memphis win was huge but there is still a lot of Basketball to be played.

[mihaic]

It would be such a Toronto thing for the Raps to finish with a worse record than Memphis only for the Grizzlies to win the lottery and knock them into 7th.

I mean, it's basically a coin flip so not really.

It's even possible that both Grizzlies and Raptors win the lottery.

[SpezNc]

Based on current win percentage:

2022 we'd have been 4th
2021 we'd have been 5th
2020 we'd have been 5th
2019 we'd have been 5th
2018 we'd have been 4th
2017 we'd have been 6th
2016 we'd have been 3rd
2015 we'd have been 5th
2014 we'd have been 6th
2013 we'd have been 6th

Last 10 years have the average around 5th (4.9 specifically), this year isnt an outlier. It just shows this needed to be started much earlier. It also shows that without the injuries, we likely lose our pick practically without any question.

3 to 6 (average of 4.9) compared to being 6-7 ATM

Also I think the issue is not necessarily being 6th but how far we are from 5.

Is it typical to be that far ahead of position #4 and #5 while only having 23 games.

I am not saying this year is a massive outlier but the bottom is still worse than usual.

I wasn't paying heavy attention to the win rates of the bottom 5 outside occasional glances, but honestly, it wasn't that far off from this year. The bottom 2 are where it really deviates, WAS/DET are really bad. They are 2 of the worst records of the last 10 years.

Bottom 5 winning % by year.
2023 .257 .243 .240 .187 .176

2022 .402 .329 .268 .268 .207
2021 .305 .293 .280 .268 .244
2020 .306 .306 .292 .278 .236
2019 .303 .299 .297 .292 .231
2018 .354 .268 .232 .232 .207
2017 .305 .293 .293 .268 .256
2016 .354 .341 .317 .293 .244
2015 .354 .280 .256 .207 .122
2014 .305 .256 .220 .207 .195
2013 .305 .305 .280 .232 .183

Average is about .330 for the 5th place team which is 27 wins, this year it's projected to be 21 wins. 6 game difference while noticeable, is only 7% of the total season games. I wonder if it's a cascading effect from the bottom 2 teams being SO bad, that the other teams are trying to compete at being bad as well.

At a glance it looks like 2013, 2014, and 2015 seem to be below average in all the same end of season positions, aside from 5th place in 2015. Maybe once one or two teams really start being exceptionally terrible, it becomes a race to the bottom.

Great summary. Thank you for putting the stats.

I think it’s just that in NBA, it’s very hard for an inferior team to win a game.

I don’t know if the cascading is real, on purpose or not but I agree that sometimes it’s looking that way.

[WuTang_OG]

Memphis came through.

[Scase]

Bottom 5 winning % by year.
2023 .257 .243 .240 .187 .176

2022 .402 .329 .268 .268 .207
2021 .305 .293 .280 .268 .244
2020 .306 .306 .292 .278 .236
2019 .303 .299 .297 .292 .231
2018 .354 .268 .232 .232 .207
2017 .305 .293 .293 .268 .256
2016 .354 .341 .317 .293 .244
2015 .354 .280 .256 .207 .122
2014 .305 .256 .220 .207 .195
2013 .305 .305 .280 .232 .183
.

Actually we can see:
1st at .176 is the second worst in 10 years
2nd at .187 is the worst in 10 years
3rd at .240 is the second worst (2014 is the worst at .220)
4th at .243 is the worst in 10 years
5th at .257 is the worst in 10 years

Worst records in a year touted as bad draft, go figure.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned that DET/WAS are really the outliers here. WAS is expected and planned, they tore it all down, DET however, they are surprisingly bad despite trying to win.

Both of those are somewhat defensible, one just needs to start the rebuild process period. The other isn't being bad on purpose. Neither of which are related to this draft though.

[Michael Jordan]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

[720]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

Hope we’re ass again next year and get a top lotto pick in a great 2025 draft.

[WuTang_OG]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

Hope we’re ass again next year and get a top lotto pick in a great 2025 draft.

We will be by all accounts.

[Scase]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

Hope we’re ass again next year and get a top lotto pick in a great 2025 draft.

We will be by all accounts.

Or the more likely result, a combination of the two. An acquisition in the summer, but not a big one, but good enough to make us 10th or 11th. So we get neither a good pick, or any success

[DelAbbot]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

Hope we’re ass again next year and get a top lotto pick in a great 2025 draft.

If you feel this way about 2025 draft then you need to pray we convey 2024 FRP

[metafisical]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

Hope we’re ass again next year and get a top lotto pick in a great 2025 draft.

If you feel this way about 2025 draft then you need to pray we convey 2024 FRP

No, I pray we convey two 2nds to the Spurs and then the championship the following season.

[DelAbbot]

Hope we’re ass again next year and get a top lotto pick in a great 2025 draft.

If you feel this way about 2025 draft then you need to pray we convey 2024 FRP

No, I pray we convey two 2nds to the Spurs and then the championship the following season.

That's about as realistic as you coming back to Toronto and catch a Raptors game

[2019nbachamps]

So many asset management mistakes since the 2019 championship season. Now in 2024 the Raps still find themselves on a 13 game losing streak with less than 50% chance of retaining their pick

I'm just gonna be optimistic and hope this team can compete for the 6th seed next season after a big acquisition in the summer.

Our FO’s track record since 2019 is embarrassing. Barnes and the OG trade are their only clear wins. Every other move is an L or inconclusive. Terrible.

[The Duke]

To get bottom 6 next year, might take another Barnes injury. As we’re going to want to start hoping that GD + 2024 FRP are stars in the making.

Good L for Toronto and Indy
Good W for Portland

[sofargone]

grizz win again wtf lol

[LoveMyRaps]

We're officially locked into the 6th.

Need Blazers to get 3 miracle wins.

[LoveMyRaps]

grizz win again wtf lol

Bigger story is Bucks losing again. First Wizards, then Grizzlies.

FIRE DOC.

[Qhawe]

Ho man. We're almost there.

[PhilBlackson]

After a L like this & MEM beating the Bucks it would actually be kinda tragic if we conveyed the pick lol we better draft a stud because we’ll never be this bad again.

[SpezNc]

Another Memphis miracle.