Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

[DelAbbot]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302746&page=56

I'm officially convinced no fanbase is ever happy....

so we traded poetlt away for nothing.Should just traded him to boston

I'm official convinced all fanbases have idiots

[Scase]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302746&page=56

I'm officially convinced no fanbase is ever happy....

so we traded poetlt away for nothing.Should just traded him to boston

Lol that's a pretty bonkers take, that said, I get it if they don't realize that the Raps/MLSE/Masai never tank. They likely see that pick next year.

[dohboy_24]

Weird how so many people can identify that we were never tanking until the entire roster went out, yet so many pro compete/Masai people on here want to claim that "This is what you tankers wanted" all the time. Masai didn't tank in Tampa, and he ain't tanking this year.

Unless we do better than 4 wins and 6 losses over the course of the last 10 games this year, we'll actually finish the season with a worse record than we did during the year we played in Tampa.



If that's not tanking, then what is it?

[DelAbbot]

Scase is Sam Hinkie's burner confirmed

[Scase]

Weird how so many people can identify that we were never tanking until the entire roster went out, yet so many pro compete/Masai people on here want to claim that "This is what you tankers wanted" all the time. Masai didn't tank in Tampa, and he ain't tanking this year.

Unless we do better than 4 wins and 6 losses over the course of the last 10 games this year, we'll actually finish the season with a worse record than we did during the year we played in Tampa.



If that's not tanking, then what is it?

Tanking for the most part is intentional, and usually reserved for most/all of a season. We only actually started that after Scottie and Jak went down. Same way we only started actually tanking with 14 games left in the tampa season.

We'll finish with a worse record this year, because we had a worse team. We were 10 games below .500 when we traded Siakam and 12-20 when we traded OG. We were just bad.

Not to mention, you don't typically tank and trade for established 4/5 year players. This is a retool that pivoted into an unexpected tank with 26 games left in the season out of sheer necessity.

[YogurtProducer]

Weird how so many people can identify that we were never tanking until the entire roster went out, yet so many pro compete/Masai people on here want to claim that "This is what you tankers wanted" all the time. Masai didn't tank in Tampa, and he ain't tanking this year.

Unless we do better than 4 wins and 6 losses over the course of the last 10 games this year, we'll actually finish the season with a worse record than we did during the year we played in Tampa.



If that's not tanking, then what is it?

Obviously you are only tanking if you enter the season with 5 rookies in the starting lineup, 10 protected future firsts that will never convey anyways, and 17 second rounders in the 50s.

Then, and only then, are you actually tanking.

Funny enough, it is actually the only respectable way to GM. Stuff like winning 50 games or a title in 2019 after making savvy trades is just luck. Drafting is all skill obviously, no luck involved.

Why cant the rest of the NBA see this? Why dont all these billion dollar teams with multi-millionaire executives not see how EASY it is to build a team? I do it on 2k literally all the **** time and I always end up with rings.

[Fairview4Life]

Weird how so many people can identify that we were never tanking until the entire roster went out, yet so many pro compete/Masai people on here want to claim that "This is what you tankers wanted" all the time. Masai didn't tank in Tampa, and he ain't tanking this year.

Unless we do better than 4 wins and 6 losses over the course of the last 10 games this year, we'll actually finish the season with a worse record than we did during the year we played in Tampa.



If that's not tanking, then what is it?

Tanking for the most part is intentional, and usually reserved for most/all of a season. We only actually started that after Scottie and Jak went down. Same way we only started actually tanking with 14 games left in the tampa season.

We'll finish with a worse record this year, because we had a worse team. We were 10 games below .500 when we traded Siakam and 12-20 when we traded OG. We were just bad.

Not to mention, you don't typically tank and trade for established 4/5 year players. This is a retool that pivoted into an unexpected tank with 26 games left in the season out of sheer necessity.

We were 12-19 when we traded OG and 16-25 when we traded Pascal and have gone 7-24 since.

You guys can continue debating the meaning of the word tanking if you really want though.

[Scase]

Unless we do better than 4 wins and 6 losses over the course of the last 10 games this year, we'll actually finish the season with a worse record than we did during the year we played in Tampa.



If that's not tanking, then what is it?

Tanking for the most part is intentional, and usually reserved for most/all of a season. We only actually started that after Scottie and Jak went down. Same way we only started actually tanking with 14 games left in the tampa season.

We'll finish with a worse record this year, because we had a worse team. We were 10 games below .500 when we traded Siakam and 12-20 when we traded OG. We were just bad.

Not to mention, you don't typically tank and trade for established 4/5 year players. This is a retool that pivoted into an unexpected tank with 26 games left in the season out of sheer necessity.

We were 12-19 when we traded OG and 16-25 when we traded Pascal and have gone 7-24 since.

So we were bad, and we continue to be bad? Thanks for that.

[Fairview4Life]

Tanking for the most part is intentional, and usually reserved for most/all of a season. We only actually started that after Scottie and Jak went down. Same way we only started actually tanking with 14 games left in the tampa season.

We'll finish with a worse record this year, because we had a worse team. We were 10 games below .500 when we traded Siakam and 12-20 when we traded OG. We were just bad.

Not to mention, you don't typically tank and trade for established 4/5 year players. This is a retool that pivoted into an unexpected tank with 26 games left in the season out of sheer necessity.

We were 12-19 when we traded OG and 16-25 when we traded Pascal and have gone 7-24 since.

So we were bad, and we continue to be bad? Thanks for that.

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

[Scase]

We were 12-19 when we traded OG and 16-25 when we traded Pascal and have gone 7-24 since.

So we were bad, and we continue to be bad? Thanks for that.

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

[Duffman100]

So we were bad, and we continue to be bad? Thanks for that.

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

6 win difference would put us tied with the Hornets and below the Blazers and Grizzlies. So yes, it's actually an impactful dip.

[Fairview4Life]

So we were bad, and we continue to be bad? Thanks for that.

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm sorry, I am not exactly sure what point you're trying to make. The team was bad, but didn't want to be, and then they traded their best players and got worse...which is not tanking?

Does it have to come from the Process region of Philadelphia to count? And why is this an important hill for everyone to die on?

[billy_hoyle]

So we were bad, and we continue to be bad? Thanks for that.

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm not really understanding the argument. Is Memphis tanking this season?

1. We've clearly held guys out, significantly lowering our chances to win, since the trades.

2. The trades themselves completely neutered our ability to withstand a Barnes injury. Why is that not part of the tanking calculus? We had 3 very good forwards. We traded two, getting no forwards back in return, resulting in a lineup so thin, that an injury makes us the worst team in the league... That's tanking. Again is Memphis tanking?

Are we expecting to get guys back healthy, and try and push for the playoffs as soon as next season? Ya. I would think so. That doesn't mean they aren't tanking right now.

[islandboy53]

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm sorry, I am not exactly sure what point you're trying to make. The team was bad, but didn't want to be, and then they traded their best players and got worse...which is not tanking?

Does it have to come from the Process region of Philadelphia to count? And why is this an important hill for everyone to die on?

Every hill is worth dying on for some of us.

[Scase]

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

6 win difference would put us tied with the Hornets and below the Blazers and Grizzlies. So yes, it's actually an impactful dip.

And if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. The fact remains the same, the team was bad before, and after the trade to a negligible degree.

[Fairview4Life]

6 win difference would put us tied with the Hornets and below the Blazers and Grizzlies. So yes, it's actually an impactful dip.

The fact remains the same, the team was bad before, and after the trade to a negligible degree.

6 win difference would put us tied with the Hornets and below the Blazers and Grizzlies. So yes, it's actually an impactful dip.

40% to 30% win % matters.

[Duffman100]

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

6 win difference would put us tied with the Hornets and below the Blazers and Grizzlies. So yes, it's actually an impactful dip.

And if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. The fact remains the same, the team was bad before, and after the trade to a negligible degree.

But you're arguing ifs and buts

it's a 4th seed vs 10th seed in the lottery. That isn't negligible. As least not what I've heard from tankers in the last 2-3 years.

[Scase]

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm sorry, I am not exactly sure what point you're trying to make. The team was bad, but didn't want to be, and then they traded their best players and got worse...which is not tanking?

Does it have to come from the Process region of Philadelphia to count? And why is this an important hill for everyone to die on?

The team got marginally worse.This is what you seem to be missing. The team didn't bottom out and be horrendous going for as good as a pick as possible. They traded for players in their 4/5th years to be the core moving forward, not rookies/prospects or high picks. I never stated it was a hill to die on, you felt the need to be antagonistic about the definition of the word tank.

No problem. Keep arguing about the meaning of the word "tanking". It's definitely going to get resolved.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm not really understanding the argument. Is Memphis tanking this season?

1. We've clearly held guys out, significantly lowering our chances to win, since the trades.

2. The trades themselves completely neutered our ability to withstand a Barnes injury. Why is that not part of the tanking calculus? We had 3 very good forwards. We traded two, getting no forwards back in return, resulting in a lineup so thin, that an injury makes us the worst team in the league... That's tanking. Again is Memphis tanking?

Are we expecting to get guys back healthy, and try and push for the playoffs as soon as next season? Ya. I would think so. That doesn't mean they aren't tanking right now.

We're overtly tanking now, since the Barnes/Jak injuries. Prior to that you could easily argue it's a retool.

The trades didn't neuter the ability to withstand anything. We were at a .390 winning percentage with the entire lineup prior to the trades. Take Barnes out of that lineup and the wins crater, take Barnes out of this one, and they crater. It's the same thing. Bad team before, marginally worse team now.

Memphis lost damn near their entire team to injuries, they are just bad due to that. They definitely have leaned into it more as of late with some dubious scratches. We only held people out since the major injuries, if no injuries occurred, we'd be playing a full starting lineup as we did right before the injuries.

We don't have a horrendous roster, we have one that is good enough to eek out enough wins to keep out of the absolute bottom of the league.

Tanking is about intent, half a season of bad basketball is not tanking, TO ME, it's bad basketball.

[Chandan]

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm sorry, I am not exactly sure what point you're trying to make. The team was bad, but didn't want to be, and then they traded their best players and got worse...which is not tanking?

Does it have to come from the Process region of Philadelphia to count? And why is this an important hill for everyone to die on?

The team got marginally worse.This is what you seem to be missing. The team didn't bottom out and be horrendous going for as good as a pick as possible. They traded for players in their 4/5th years to be the core moving forward, not rookies/prospects or high picks. I never stated it was a hill to die on, you felt the need to be antagonistic about the definition of the word tank.

No worries, keep chiming in with useless posts. That's definitely going to win people over to your side.

We went 16-25 with Siakam for a .390 winning percentage. Which for a whole season is 32-50.
We went 5-11 after he was traded up until barnes was injured, for a .312 winning percentage. Which for a season is 26-56.

Wow such a dramatic dip.

I'm not really understanding the argument. Is Memphis tanking this season?

1. We've clearly held guys out, significantly lowering our chances to win, since the trades.

2. The trades themselves completely neutered our ability to withstand a Barnes injury. Why is that not part of the tanking calculus? We had 3 very good forwards. We traded two, getting no forwards back in return, resulting in a lineup so thin, that an injury makes us the worst team in the league... That's tanking. Again is Memphis tanking?

Are we expecting to get guys back healthy, and try and push for the playoffs as soon as next season? Ya. I would think so. That doesn't mean they aren't tanking right now.

We're overtly tanking now, since the Barnes/Jak injuries. Prior to that you could easily argue it's a retool.

The trades didn't neuter the ability to withstand anything. We were at a .390 winning percentage with the entire lineup prior to the trades. Take Barnes out of that lineup and the wins crater, take Barnes out of this one, and they crater. It's the same thing. Bad team before, marginally worse team now.

Memphis lost damn near their entire team to injuries, they are just bad due to that. They definitely have leaned into it more as of late with some dubious scratches. We only held people out since the major injuries, if no injuries occurred, we'd be playing a full starting lineup as we did right before the injuries.

We don't have a horrendous roster, we have one that is good enough to eek out enough wins to keep out of the absolute bottom of the league.

Tanking is about intent, half a season of bad basketball is not tanking, TO ME, it's bad basketball.

where is the "tanking doesn't work" crowd to chastise the FO for the tank.

[Scase]

6 win difference would put us tied with the Hornets and below the Blazers and Grizzlies. So yes, it's actually an impactful dip.

And if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. The fact remains the same, the team was bad before, and after the trade to a negligible degree.

But you're arguing ifs and buts

it's a 4th seed vs 10th seed in the lottery. That isn't negligible. As least not what I've heard from tankers in the last 2-3 years.

A .312 winning percentage would put as at 6th in the league....where we currently are, with our .319 winning percent.
A .390 winning percentage would put us at 8th in the league, right behind the .403 Jazz.

It would be 6th vs 8th, not 4th, or 10th. So yeah, it's negligible. You're just taking the 6 win difference and subtracting it because you think that's how this works. Winning percentages are used to forecast the whole season. The winning % of post Siakam with BBQ healthy, is a 5-11 record, which forecasted to an entire season, is .07% worse than our current record. Negligible.