Pelley new MLSE boss, could be good for teams

[Tor_Raps]

Peddie years they were just soaking in money with the teachers fund and were delusional on how to operate teams. Im talking under the new ownership. They’ve been sleeping since 2019 cuz they didnt push. Losing leiweke hurt their focus

Huh? Leiweke left in 2015 and the Raptors, Leafs and Toronto FC all had their best years after that.

Leiweke put everything in place for them to be successful. He was the driving force for MLSE which completely changed the direction of all the franchises. To my original point, since 2019 and covid, things have gotten stagnant. The focus across all teams has been lacking. That's not really up for debate, with the Raps and TFC prime examples.

Not sure how many can look at the Raptors product on the court and not realized the ball has clearly been dropped several times to get us to the point we're at now. You don't become a trainwreck of a team overnight who has to pray that we even get to keep our own pick after this disastrous season.

It's ok to be positive when the positives moments call for it and negative when the negative moments call for it unless MLSE is paying your salary lol. No one bats 1.000 but it is important to note when there's a drastic drop-off so you can get back to where you once were.

[Johnny Bball]

Huh? Leiweke left in 2015 and the Raptors, Leafs and Toronto FC all had their best years after that.

Leiweke put everything in place for them to be successful. He was the driving force for MLSE which completely changed the direction of all the franchises. To my original point, since 2019 and covid, things have gotten stagnant. The focus across all teams has been lacking. That's not really up for debate, with the Raps and TFC prime examples.

Not sure how many can look at the Raptors product on the court and not realized the ball has clearly been dropped several times to get us to the point we're at now. You don't become a trainwreck of a team overnight who has to pray that we even get to keep our own pick after this disastrous season.

It's ok to be positive when the positives moments call for it and negative when the negative moments call for it unless MLSE is paying your salary lol. No one bats 1.000 but it is important to note when there's a drastic drop-off so you can get back to where you once were.

What are you even talking about? Of course they do, that's exactly what happens in basketball, a team hits bottom and dismantles and starts a rebuild. Everything runs in cycles.

[binjumper]

Some of ya'll are real dense with some of these comments thinking he's going to tell Masai how to run the team. Can't wait till the bandwagoners are gone. Best thing about tanking.

[anotherhomer]

Ya I do get an impression he's gonna tell ujiri to go for playin again

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Some of ya'll are real dense with some of these comments thinking he's going to tell Masai how to run the team. Can't wait till the bandwagoners are gone. Best thing about tanking.

You think it's a weird concept for the owners of a company, to dictate how their investments are run? I don't think anyone is suggesting he going to micromanage to the degree of telling him specific players, but if you think it is entirely unrealistic to think he would direct them overall to push towards play in/playoffs or give the green light for a full rebuild, you're delusional.

Masai does not have free reign to do whatever he wants.

[Tor_Raps]

Leiweke put everything in place for them to be successful. He was the driving force for MLSE which completely changed the direction of all the franchises. To my original point, since 2019 and covid, things have gotten stagnant. The focus across all teams has been lacking. That's not really up for debate, with the Raps and TFC prime examples.

Not sure how many can look at the Raptors product on the court and not realized the ball has clearly been dropped several times to get us to the point we're at now. You don't become a trainwreck of a team overnight who has to pray that we even get to keep our own pick after this disastrous season.

It's ok to be positive when the positives moments call for it and negative when the negative moments call for it unless MLSE is paying your salary lol. No one bats 1.000 but it is important to note when there's a drastic drop-off so you can get back to where you once were.

What are you even talking about? Of course they do, that's exactly what happens in basketball, a team hits bottom and dismantles and starts a rebuild. Everything runs in cycles.

But that's not what this team was looking to do. This team wasn't looking to do a complete tear down but instead just look like that because of horrible asset management the past several years.

This team kept Bruce Brown and traded a 1st rounder away at this past deadline to make a push for the play-in lol. We had to pivot back to the tanking because this team isnt good enough to overcome any injuries and now gotta pray we get to keep our pick...

[OakleyDokely]

Masai has said in the past, he goes to the board directly for big decisions only, like going into the luxury tax or trading a franchise player. I don't think that's going to change with Pelley. Maybe he goes to Pelley first now, but I doubt Pelley will involved much in the basketball decision making process.

[WuTang_OG]

Huh? Leiweke left in 2015 and the Raptors, Leafs and Toronto FC all had their best years after that.

Leiweke put everything in place for them to be successful. He was the driving force for MLSE which completely changed the direction of all the franchises. To my original point, since 2019 and covid, things have gotten stagnant. The focus across all teams has been lacking. That's not really up for debate, with the Raps and TFC prime examples.

Not sure how many can look at the Raptors product on the court and not realized the ball has clearly been dropped several times to get us to the point we're at now. You don't become a trainwreck of a team overnight who has to pray that we even get to keep our own pick after this disastrous season.

It's ok to be positive when the positives moments call for it and negative when the negative moments call for it unless MLSE is paying your salary lol. No one bats 1.000 but it is important to note when there's a drastic drop-off so you can get back to where you once were.

Masai even admitted the whole organization got complacent. They won a chip, went on a honeymoon. It happens. Now they are rebuilding. I'd guess Pelley will only support Masai in any way he can unless he isn't buying his vision but why wouldn't he? It's only up from here as long as we draft and develop well which seems to be priority # 1 (as it should be)

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Masai has said in the past, he goes to the board directly for big decisions only, like going into the luxury tax or trading a franchise player. I don't think that's going to change with Pelley. Maybe he goes to Pelley firs now, but I doubt Pelley will involved much in the basketball decision making process.

I would easily classify the decision of blowing the team up or pushing to be a middling play in team to be one of those big decisions.

The financial ramifications from tanking can't be ignored. Is ownership willing to eat **** a couple years and lose some profits for potential higher ones in the future with better teams, or do they want to play it safe and keep cashflow good and consistent.

That's definitely not a call Masai is going to make solo.

[OakleyDokely]

Not sure how many can look at the Raptors product on the court and not realized the ball has clearly been dropped several times to get us to the point we're at now. You don't become a trainwreck of a team overnight who has to pray that we even get to keep our own pick after this disastrous season.

It's ok to be positive when the positives moments call for it and negative when the negative moments call for it unless MLSE is paying your salary lol. No one bats 1.000 but it is important to note when there's a drastic drop-off so you can get back to where you once were.

What are you even talking about? Of course they do, that's exactly what happens in basketball, a team hits bottom and dismantles and starts a rebuild. Everything runs in cycles.

But that's not what this team was looking to do. This team wasn't looking to do a complete tear down but instead just look like that because of horrible asset management the past several years.

This team kept Bruce Brown and traded a 1st rounder away at this past deadline to make a push for the play-in lol. We had to pivot back to the tanking because this team isnt good enough to overcome any injuries and now gotta pray we get to keep our pick...

If they were actually pushing for the play-in, they don't trade Siakam/OG.

Minor moves like trading pick #29 for a recent draft pick and a vet and keeping a bench player didn't impact the Raps direction at all.

[elmer_yuck]

Masai should be fired.
Other than drafting Scottie Barnes, almost every decision since 2019 has been bad.
The only top level talent is Barnes.
The team is a disaster.

[Tor_Raps]

What are you even talking about? Of course they do, that's exactly what happens in basketball, a team hits bottom and dismantles and starts a rebuild. Everything runs in cycles.

But that's not what this team was looking to do. This team wasn't looking to do a complete tear down but instead just look like that because of horrible asset management the past several years.

This team kept Bruce Brown and traded a 1st rounder away at this past deadline to make a push for the play-in lol. We had to pivot back to the tanking because this team isnt good enough to overcome any injuries and now gotta pray we get to keep our pick...

If they were actually pushing for the play-in, they don't trade Siakam/OG.

Minor moves like trading pick #29 for a recent draft pick and a vet and keeping a bench player didn't impact the Raps direction at all.

We already lost Lowry/Fred for practically nothing... if we lost OG/Siakam for the same then Masai's ass should have been fired on the spot. Raptors were on the record and were clearly trying to make the play-in once injuries exposed this teams depth.

And it's those "minor" moves that this franchise has kept dropping the ball on. It's why you're currently watching a product that has like 7 players who probably shouldn't be on a nba next year lol.

[OakleyDokely]

But that's not what this team was looking to do. This team wasn't looking to do a complete tear down but instead just look like that because of horrible asset management the past several years.

This team kept Bruce Brown and traded a 1st rounder away at this past deadline to make a push for the play-in lol. We had to pivot back to the tanking because this team isnt good enough to overcome any injuries and now gotta pray we get to keep our pick...

If they were actually pushing for the play-in, they don't trade Siakam/OG.

Minor moves like trading pick #29 for a recent draft pick and a vet and keeping a bench player didn't impact the Raps direction at all.

We already lost Lowry/Fred for practically nothing... if we lost OG/Siakam for the same then Masai's ass should have been fired on the spot. Raptors were on the record and were clearly trying to make the play-in once injuries exposed this teams depth.

And it's those "minor" moves that this franchise has kept dropping the ball on. It's why you're currently watching a product that has like 7 players who probably shouldn't be on a nba next year lol.

The product you're watching now is the result of injuries and deaths in the family, the strategy of tanking many people like yourself have been advocating for.

[Tor_Raps]

If they were actually pushing for the play-in, they don't trade Siakam/OG.

Minor moves like trading pick #29 for a recent draft pick and a vet and keeping a bench player didn't impact the Raps direction at all.

We already lost Lowry/Fred for practically nothing... if we lost OG/Siakam for the same then Masai's ass should have been fired on the spot. Raptors were on the record and were clearly trying to make the play-in once injuries exposed this teams depth.

And it's those "minor" moves that this franchise has kept dropping the ball on. It's why you're currently watching a product that has like 7 players who probably shouldn't be on a nba next year lol.

The product you're watching now is the result of injuries and deaths in the family, the strategy of tanking many people like yourself have been advocating for.

We just lost by like 40 points when RJ/IQ came back and actually had great games lol.

Also, I didn't ask you tank in a year with the weakest draft while we don't even control our own pick. I asked to tank last year where there was a generational player available and we had full control of our picks while maximizing our returns on Siakam/Fred/OG. Let's just get that straight lol.

[binjumper]

Masai has said in the past, he goes to the board directly for big decisions only, like going into the luxury tax or trading a franchise player. I don't think that's going to change with Pelley. Maybe he goes to Pelley firs now, but I doubt Pelley will involved much in the basketball decision making process.

I would easily classify the decision of blowing the team up or pushing to be a middling play in team to be one of those big decisions.

The financial ramifications from tanking can't be ignored. Is ownership willing to eat **** a couple years and lose some profits for potential higher ones in the future with better teams, or do they want to play it safe and keep cashflow good and consistent.

That's definitely not a call Masai is going to make solo.

Yeah but Raptors are going to make money regardless. My point earlier though to clarify yes there is some involvement, but they are not going to fire him for 1 bad season. People have their pitch forks out too often. Organizations value people like Masai that's why he's the GM and everyone is just watching as a fan. The Delusional ones are the ones who think he needs to be fired. The ones who think the franchise is in some kind of ruin when its only in their own head.

[OakleyDokely]

We already lost Lowry/Fred for practically nothing... if we lost OG/Siakam for the same then Masai's ass should have been fired on the spot. Raptors were on the record and were clearly trying to make the play-in once injuries exposed this teams depth.

And it's those "minor" moves that this franchise has kept dropping the ball on. It's why you're currently watching a product that has like 7 players who probably shouldn't be on a nba next year lol.

The product you're watching now is the result of injuries and deaths in the family, the strategy of tanking many people like yourself have been advocating for.

We just lost by like 40 points when RJ/IQ came back and actually had great games lol.

Also, I didn't ask you tank in a year with the weakest draft while we don't even control our own pick. I asked to tank last year where there was a generational player available and we had full control of our picks while maximizing our returns on Siakam/Fred/OG. Let's just get that straight lol.

The Raps started Temple, Malik Williams, McDaniels. Not sure what you're expecting. Tanking teams lose big. Look at the net ratings of all the bottom teams if you don't believe me.

Saying they should've reset earlier is a valid argument but complaining about how badly they're losing now is kinda ridiculous given the lineups they're putting out there.

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Masai has said in the past, he goes to the board directly for big decisions only, like going into the luxury tax or trading a franchise player. I don't think that's going to change with Pelley. Maybe he goes to Pelley firs now, but I doubt Pelley will involved much in the basketball decision making process.

I would easily classify the decision of blowing the team up or pushing to be a middling play in team to be one of those big decisions.

The financial ramifications from tanking can't be ignored. Is ownership willing to eat **** a couple years and lose some profits for potential higher ones in the future with better teams, or do they want to play it safe and keep cashflow good and consistent.

That's definitely not a call Masai is going to make solo.

Yeah but Raptors are going to make money regardless. My point earlier though to clarify yes there is some involvement, but they are not going to fire him for 1 bad season. People have their pitch forks out too often. Organizations value people like Masai that's why he's the GM and everyone is just watching as a fan. The Delusional ones are the ones who think he needs to be fired. The ones who think the franchise is in some kind of ruin when its only in their own head.

I think the disconnect is that for folks such as yourself, you think it's only 1 "bad" year. And I don't think that will ever be reconciled. As for making money no matter what, well yeah, but this is a public company, they don't want to just make money, they want to make literally as much as possible.

And tanking teams affect revenue.

[OakleyDokely]

Masai has said in the past, he goes to the board directly for big decisions only, like going into the luxury tax or trading a franchise player. I don't think that's going to change with Pelley. Maybe he goes to Pelley firs now, but I doubt Pelley will involved much in the basketball decision making process.

I would easily classify the decision of blowing the team up or pushing to be a middling play in team to be one of those big decisions.

The financial ramifications from tanking can't be ignored. Is ownership willing to eat **** a couple years and lose some profits for potential higher ones in the future with better teams, or do they want to play it safe and keep cashflow good and consistent.

That's definitely not a call Masai is going to make solo.

Tanking midseason is a lot easier because all the tickets are already sold.

I think most down franchises are doing this now. Try to win out of the gate, show your fans that their worth spending their money on, then pull the plug midseason if things don't work out. Going into the season, maybe only WAS advertised that they were going to be really bad? All the other tankers officially pulled the plug after injuries or closer to the deadline.

I think this will be the plan for the Raps next season. They will see what the Barnes/IQ/Barrett/Dick/Poeltl core can do before they make any big decisions.

[Raptor_Guy]

Peddie years they were just soaking in money with the teachers fund and were delusional on how to operate teams. Im talking under the new ownership. They’ve been sleeping since 2019 cuz they didnt push. Losing leiweke hurt their focus

Huh? Leiweke left in 2015 and the Raptors, Leafs and Toronto FC all had their best years after that.

Leiweke put everything in place for them to be successful. He was the driving force for MLSE which completely changed the direction of all the franchises. To my original point, since 2019 and covid, things have gotten stagnant. The focus across all teams has been lacking. That's not really up for debate, with the Raps and TFC prime examples.

Yea I'm not arguing they've been bad and complacent since 2019, I was speaking to your point that losing Leiweke in 2015 hurt their focus when Masai had the best years of his career from 2015-2019.

[WuTang_OG]

Huh? Leiweke left in 2015 and the Raptors, Leafs and Toronto FC all had their best years after that.

Leiweke put everything in place for them to be successful. He was the driving force for MLSE which completely changed the direction of all the franchises. To my original point, since 2019 and covid, things have gotten stagnant. The focus across all teams has been lacking. That's not really up for debate, with the Raps and TFC prime examples.

Yea I'm not arguing they've been bad and complacent since 2019, I was speaking to your point that losing Leiweke in 2015 hurt their focus when Masai had the best years of his career from 2015-2019.

Leiweke made the cake, just because he didn't eat it, doesn't mean he wasn't responsible for it. MLSE got stagnant after covid. They had a CFO as their interim president for 3 years. Losing Leiweke impacted them in the long run - the teams were successful after he left because everything was already in place. Now that we look at the Raps, TFC and even the Leafs lack of playoff success, you can understand how a leader like Leiweke not present hurt them - that's my point.