WOJ: Raps get Olynyk & Agbaji for 24' 1st Rd Pick, Otto Porter, Kira Lewis

[2019nbachamps]

OPJ couldn’t get on a playoff team anyway. No market for him given injury issues. His NBA career might be over. Another L for Masai.

[refshateRaps]

OPJ couldn’t get on a playoff team anyway. No market for him given injury issues. His NBA career might be over. Another L for Masai.

While I'll be the first to say Masai has been absolute trash for various reasons over the past handful of seasons and basically going MIA on the fanbase... I wouldn't fault any GM or coach over a guy who got injured, moreso a vet.

[2019nbachamps]

OPJ couldn’t get on a playoff team anyway. No market for him given injury issues. His NBA career might be over. Another L for Masai.

While I'll be the first to say Masai has been absolute trash for various reasons over the past handful of seasons and basically going MIA on the fanbase... I wouldn't fault any GM or coach over a guy who got injured, moreso a vet.

He played 63, 28, and 56 games in the 3 seasons before Masai made him our marquee signing in summer 2022.

[PoundTown]

OPJ couldn’t get on a playoff team anyway. No market for him given injury issues. His NBA career might be over. Another L for Masai.

While I'll be the first to say Masai has been absolute trash for various reasons over the past handful of seasons and basically going MIA on the fanbase... I wouldn't fault any GM or coach over a guy who got injured, moreso a vet.

Honestly, Boston or even Milwaukee and Phoenix could have used him. Those teams don’t have much depth, but if he could play solid D at the 4 and shoot a 3 here and there, he could play ten minutes a game for those guys. He’d be asked to do nothing but sit behind the 3 point line. At least, even if he wasn’t playing, he could probably be more suited to play as 12th man and provides some championship experience.

He played 63, 28, and 56 games in the 3 seasons before Masai made him our marquee signing in summer 2022.

[refshateRaps]

OPJ couldn’t get on a playoff team anyway. No market for him given injury issues. His NBA career might be over. Another L for Masai.

While I'll be the first to say Masai has been absolute trash for various reasons over the past handful of seasons and basically going MIA on the fanbase... I wouldn't fault any GM or coach over a guy who got injured, moreso a vet.

He played 63, 28, and 56 games in the 3 seasons before Masai made him our marquee signing in summer 2022.

He wasn't expected to do much here other then hit 3's in spot minutes off the bench. Hardly moved the needle and was worth the risk. Injury risk are part of acquiring almost any vet.

it was the move to get vets like Thad and OPJ when the team was not serious that was a black eye. Masai seemed to have thought he had some 'fools gold' to play with after the Championship and gambled that he could surround vets with the Core led by FVV, Pascal & OG and sell this mid to the fans coming off the excitement. They seemed to have hoped we'd win a play in and few 1st round series so they could keep fans in perpetual state of false hope. Even the Poeltl trade was a showing they still expected to put lipstick on the pig.

[Los_29]

OPJ couldn’t get on a playoff team anyway. No market for him given injury issues. His NBA career might be over. Another L for Masai.

OPJ got injured last year and missed the remainder of the season. Prior to that he was a good rotation player for the Warriors and won a championship there. I also don’t recall him signing for much at all here. Good signing with little to no downside.

[LoveMyRaps]

Another fleece by Masai.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I like Kelly a bunch, but it was basically a first for him. Would it have been better for us long term to use that first to draft a rookie big like, oh I don't know let's say Zach Edey? TBD I guess.

[raptorforlife88]

I like Kelly a bunch, but it was basically a first for him. Would we have been better for us long term to use that first to draft a rookie big like, oh I don't know let's say Zach Edey? TBD I guess.

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I like Kelly a bunch, but it was basically a first for him. Would we have been better for us long term to use that first to draft a rookie big like, oh I don't know let's say Zach Edey? TBD I guess.

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a good shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

The problem is Kelly was a UFA and doesn't really help us at all here. We didn't have to use a pick on him, and Ochai isn't good enough to justify the pick either.

[Scase]

I like Kelly a bunch, but it was basically a first for him. Would we have been better for us long term to use that first to draft a rookie big like, oh I don't know let's say Zach Edey? TBD I guess.

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

[Duffman100]

I like Kelly a bunch, but it was basically a first for him. Would we have been better for us long term to use that first to draft a rookie big like, oh I don't know let's say Zach Edey? TBD I guess.

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

Unless you believe Ochai has higher potential than that, which is what they probably do.

[Scase]

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

Unless you believe Ochai has higher potential than that, which is what they probably do.

They also thought Flynn, McDaniels, and a whole host of other players did too lol. I'm not saying I'm right by any means, but based on his college performance, Utah tenure, and what we've seen so far, the most likely result is a player of that talent level. Could be better, could be worse, but I think ain't no one expecting him to be a starter calibre player.

[Duffman100]

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

Unless you believe Ochai has higher potential than that, which is what they probably do.

They also thought Flynn, McDaniels, and a whole host of other players did too lol. I'm not saying I'm right by any means, but based on his college performance, Utah tenure, and what we've seen so far, the most likely result is a player of that talent level. Could be better, could be worse, but I think ain't no one expecting him to be a starter calibre player.

They were also right a whole bunch too (Barnes, Dick and everyone pre championship).

[JB7]

I like Kelly a bunch, but it was basically a first for him. Would we have been better for us long term to use that first to draft a rookie big like, oh I don't know let's say Zach Edey? TBD I guess.

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

Just because Olynyk was a FA, did not guarantee he would sign with the Raps. There were many teams interested in him, so if the Raps didn't pull the trigger on the deal, he most likely would have ended up on another team, and they could have easily resigned him.

[Scase]

Unless you believe Ochai has higher potential than that, which is what they probably do.

They also thought Flynn, McDaniels, and a whole host of other players did too lol. I'm not saying I'm right by any means, but based on his college performance, Utah tenure, and what we've seen so far, the most likely result is a player of that talent level. Could be better, could be worse, but I think ain't no one expecting him to be a starter calibre player.

They were also right a whole bunch too (Barnes, Dick and everyone pre championship).

You could've thrown a dart at a list of the first 20 picks in Barnes' draft class and had a solid hit, they absolutely picked the best player and they get kudos for that. Dick is a bad example of proof, he's played 44 games, let's give it some time to breathe. It could be great, but not exactly the time to be taking victory laps yet.

Pre championship is another era, so not really relevant.

Either way, all I'm saying is that I don't think it's an absurd statement to say he is likely a specialist end of rotation player, with the upside to be a 1st or 2nd guy off the bench.

They have been right with players, and have been wrong with players, water is wet.

[Duffman100]

They also thought Flynn, McDaniels, and a whole host of other players did too lol. I'm not saying I'm right by any means, but based on his college performance, Utah tenure, and what we've seen so far, the most likely result is a player of that talent level. Could be better, could be worse, but I think ain't no one expecting him to be a starter calibre player.

They were also right a whole bunch too (Barnes, Dick and everyone pre championship).

You could've thrown a dart at a list of the first 20 picks in Barnes' draft class and had a solid hit, they absolutely picked the best player and they get kudos for that. Dick is a bad example of proof, he's played 44 games, let's give it some time to breathe. It could be great, but not exactly the time to be taking victory laps yet.

Pre championship is another era, so not really relevant.

Either way, all I'm saying is that I don't think it's an absurd statement to say he is likely a specialist end of rotation player, with the upside to be a 1st or 2nd guy off the bench.

They have been right with players, and have been wrong with players, water is wet.

Exactly, they've been right and wrong. And they may be right about Ochai, they may be wrong about Ochai.

The entire point is that THEY see value there so it isn't necessarily a waste (YET). Even if Ochai plays like a 7-10th bench play, he'll be more valuable than like 90% of 28th picks in the history of the NBA.

[Scase]

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

Just because Olynyk was a FA, did not guarantee he would sign with the Raps. There were many teams interested in him, so if the Raps didn't pull the trigger on the deal, he most likely would have ended up on another team, and they could have easily resigned him.

He has been pretty open about how it's been a dream to play here. If we wanted him so badly we could've thrown money at him like we already did. The only bit I would say that might change, could be the length of the contract.

“I’ve wanted to be here since I was four years old — hopefully I’ll be here for the rest of my career” — Kelly Olynyk

Sure maybe it's lip service, but still think it gives us a leg up. As for rumours, the only ones with actual details were that the Rockets wanted him, as well as every other reserve big in the league, but they weren't willing to give up a first for an expiring. And the Dubs who said the price was too high and no common ground as well.

Every other "interested" team was noise with no real discussions.

[Scase]

They were also right a whole bunch too (Barnes, Dick and everyone pre championship).

You could've thrown a dart at a list of the first 20 picks in Barnes' draft class and had a solid hit, they absolutely picked the best player and they get kudos for that. Dick is a bad example of proof, he's played 44 games, let's give it some time to breathe. It could be great, but not exactly the time to be taking victory laps yet.

Pre championship is another era, so not really relevant.

Either way, all I'm saying is that I don't think it's an absurd statement to say he is likely a specialist end of rotation player, with the upside to be a 1st or 2nd guy off the bench.

They have been right with players, and have been wrong with players, water is wet.

Exactly, they've been right and wrong. And they may be right about Ochai, they may be wrong about Ochai.

The entire point is that THEY see value there so it isn't necessarily a waste (YET). Even if Ochai plays like a 7-10th bench play, he'll be more valuable than like 90% of 28th picks in the history of the NBA.

Yeah, I get that, none of that really changes my opinion on what it looks like he's going to provide though. I didn't say it was a waste, just that I'm pretty lukewarm on that trade overall.

[Chandan]

I honestly don't think there's any chance that Edey would become half as good as Olynyk.

It's his 11th season in the league and he's as good as he's ever been in his career basically. He has so many ways he scores in the post compared to Edey and he's obviously a great shooter as well.

I don't know if it's a deal we needed to make, and obviously depends on whether Ochai can be a decent bench role player, but Olynyk even now has a decent shot at having a better next 5 years than anyone at that pick. It's a pretty bad draft. If the analog is like the 2000 NBA draft than probably a very good shot. If it's like a 2002 draft than maybe there's one guy there that's definitely going to be very good in that range.

On this very bad team Olynyk has a 2.1 BPM which is not that easy to accomplish.

Ok, but why not do both? He was a UFA, keep the pick, draft a replacement big, and sign him for a contract. There's no way he's turning down playing for the Raps.

So we essentially burned a pick to get Ochai, who is realistically, like an 8-10th guy off the bench, at best. It was a 28th OA pick, so I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it seems kinda like a waste.

Just because Olynyk was a FA, did not guarantee he would sign with the Raps. There were many teams interested in him, so if the Raps didn't pull the trigger on the deal, he most likely would have ended up on another team, and they could have easily resigned him.

If he isn't willing to sign here as a free agent so be it, He isnt worth the mystery box that may contain more than half a decade of cost controlled talent, which could be a game changer. kelly isn't the type of player that's worth sacrificing anything to get (at least not at this stage of his career, or our current stage of rebuilding)

Feels like Ainge finessed Masai into giving up something with value for something he wants to throw away (both Kelly and Ochai)