2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

OakleyDokely · Post #41 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:24 pm

What # pick would you trade Gradey for in this draft?

Rapsfan07 · Post #42 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:31 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:What # pick would you trade Gradey for in this draft?

Around 9-13 for me.

I'd take Sarr, Williams, Risacher, Holland, Dillingham, Topic, Buzelis and Sheppard over him.

Psubs · Post #43 » by **Psubs** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:37 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:What # pick would you trade Gradey for in this draft?

None. Like Risacher could just be Nicolas Batum. Sarr might be Derek Lively. Topic may never develop an outside shot like Killian Hayes. Cody Williams might only be just as good as Gradey or his brother Jalen Williams but maybe not adjust to the NBA 3 as well.

There's a reason why it's a weak draft since the player at the mid-teens could be better than a top 3 pick. I guess like how Gradey and Jaquez have been comparable to Brandon Miller. There is no Wemby or Chet in this draft.

Now if you ask, what # you trade Ochai for in this draft it gets interesting.

Psubs · Post #44 » by **Psubs** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:40 pm

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:Johnny Furphy with the Pacers pick

Yup, Furphy or Tyler Smith with the Pacers pick. Load up on lanky shooters.

Does Furphy remind anyone of Rashard Lewis?

Yallbecrazy · Post #45 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:44 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:What # pick would you trade Gradey for in this draft?

At this point I'm not sure it's #1. Everyone has some bust potential and you're paying the #1 guy almost 3x more than you're paying Gradey for their rookie deal.
Do I think Gradey will be better than everyone in the upcoming class? Definitely not, but he could be better than all but 5 or so and trying to guess who those guys are would be too difficult currently.

Then again....I might take Topic @3x the salary since he seems to be a high floor high ceiling player.

ArthurVandelay · Post #46 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:56 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:What # pick would you trade Gradey for in this draft?

I don't think I would.

That is probably a super homer view but no draft pick is ever guaranteed. With how he is playing and how well he fits with Scottie, why would you trade him hoping to get someone to mesh as well with Scottie? As we've seen, Dick is so much more than a shooter. I don't think I would want to give up on his future potential once he adds some strength.

There is no sure thing in this draft which is why people are so down on it so I'd rather stick with the known commodity.

Yallbecrazy · Post #47 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:04 pm

Psubs wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:What # pick would you trade Gradey for in this draft?

None. Like Risacher could just be Nicolas Batum. Sarr might be Derek Lively. Topic may never develop an outside shot like Killian Hayes. Cody Williams might only be just as good as Gradey or his brother Jalen Williams but maybe not adjust to the NBA 3 as well.

There's a reason why it's a weak draft since the player at the mid-teens could be better than a top 3 pick. I guess like how Gradey and Jaquez have been comparable to Brandon Miller. There is no Wemby or Chet in this draft.

Now if you ask, what # you trade Ochai for in this draft it gets interesting.

Ochai I would trade for any pick inside the top 45.

Jstock12 · Post #48 » by **Jstock12** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:08 pm

Would trade Gradey for any pick inside the lottery and run as fast as I can before they change their mind.

Dalek · Post #49 » by **Dalek** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:21 pm

Psubs wrote:
C-R-E-A-M- wrote:Johnny Furphy with the Pacers pick

Yup, Furphy or Tyler Smith with the Pacers pick. Load up on lanky shooters.

Does Furphy remind anyone of Rashard Lewis?

I have really warmed up to Furphy, but wouldn't he be too similar to Gradey Dick to work?

Both kind of slight builds and look like tall SGs
Not a ton of on ball creation
Concerns about defense

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #50 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:23 pm

I think this year Gradey would be in the mix to go #5 to #7 overall in the eyes of NBA executives. Considering the top guys have bust potential and Gradey is starting to show he belongs and is indeed capable of being an elite NBA shooter and good in other areas, I'm not sure I'd trade him for anyone at this moment unless Topic really impresses the rest of the way.

WuTang_OG · Post #51 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:04 pm

Gradey isn't just a shooter. He has great height/length, great cutter, knows to make the right passes. Then his shot is like butter with a fast release. Hard to stop that with his length. He doing all this in 2 months but still he's only 19. He was going to go top 10 last year.. likely goes top 6 this year.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #52 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:16 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Gradey isn't just a shooter. He has great height/length, great cutter, knows to make the right passes. Then his shot is like butter with a fast release. Hard to stop that with his length. He doing all this in 2 months but still he's only 19. He was going to go top 10 last year.. likely goes top 6 this year.

This was one of my earliest impressions of Dick:

"Regarding Dick, anyone out there who says he is just a shooter has not watched him play. I've seen him dive for loose balls, chase down his own shots for the offensive rebound and putback, he runs well in transition and is solid finishing at the rim even at high speeds, has had some nice passes, has some moves out of the triple threat to get defenders to hesitate before he drives. I've seen him take charges, run around all over the place in the halfcourt set trying to get open which is one of his best traits his off-ball movement. He seems to play with fire, haven't really seen him take plays off."

ArthurVandelay · Post #53 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:26 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Gradey isn't just a shooter. He has great height/length, great cutter, knows to make the right passes. Then his shot is like butter with a fast release. Hard to stop that with his length. He doing all this in 2 months but still he's only 19. He was going to go top 10 last year.. likely goes top 6 this year.

Sorry to nitpick, but he's 20 now.

But more specifically, he just knows where to be both offensively and defensively. That is a skill in and of itself. He's an extremely smart player.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #54 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:29 pm

I'm starting to think long and hard about Tyler Smith's offensive ceiling because of PSubs and it's eating my brain alive because it might be a lot higher than I thought.

WuTang_OG · Post #55 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:32 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Gradey isn't just a shooter. He has great height/length, great cutter, knows to make the right passes. Then his shot is like butter with a fast release. Hard to stop that with his length. He doing all this in 2 months but still he's only 19. He was going to go top 10 last year.. likely goes top 6 this year.

Sorry to nitpick, but he's 20 now.

But more specifically, he just knows where to be both offensively and defensively. That is a skill in and of itself. He's an extremely smart player.

oops yeah
I think he has a nice frame. He doesn't need to get bulky. He just needs to keep gaining strength

WuTang_OG · Post #56 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:32 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I'm starting to think long and hard about Tyler Smith's offensive ceiling because of PSubs and it's eating my brain alive because it might be a lot higher than I thought.

it's that quick release for a guy 6'10"

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #57 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:49 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I'm starting to think long and hard about Tyler Smith's offensive ceiling because of PSubs and it's eating my brain alive because it might be a lot higher than I thought.

it's that quick release for a guy 6'10"

I mean I can see an outcome where with added muscle on that frame and more power he starts getting to his spots at will and elevating over everyone to knock down shots at really good percentages. The 74% from the line might give reason to pause but mechanically he looks damn good and can impact the game on the boards. While he might not be a huge stock guy I'd say 1 blk 1 stl per 36 is a reasonable outlook. Getting away with putting a top tier deep and midrange shooter on the floor at PF is huge value in today's NBA.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #58 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:58 pm

Jesus christ when did Walter take such a BPM dip he's now at 2.0 I could have sworn even with the bad shooting he was at like 5.1 recently. I think bbr advanced stats calculator is broken right now.

Psubs · Post #59 » by **Psubs** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:40 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Jesus christ when did Walter take such a BPM dip he's now at 2.0 I could have sworn even with the bad shooting he was at like 5.1 recently. I think bbr advanced stats calculator is broken right now.

He's had the opposite spiral as Gradey Dick. I guess more like regression after a hot start like Jordan Hawkins.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #60 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:46 pm

Psubs wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Jesus christ when did Walter take such a BPM dip he's now at 2.0 I could have sworn even with the bad shooting he was at like 5.1 recently. I think bbr advanced stats calculator is broken right now.

He's had the opposite spiral as Gradey Dick. I guess more like regression after a hot start like Jordan Hawkins.

The BPM algorithm is messed up right now, they need to fix it!