Thaddy wrote:islandboy53 wrote:Thaddy wrote:
Expiring contracts have lower value. Re-signing Brown to a longer term deal and trading him later would yield a better return. Siakam was sold for less than his value due to his contract situation. The player might leave for nothing which leads to "50 cent on the dollar" trades that return half as much value compared to if that player was signed to a longer term deal. Is that clear enough for you?
No. You said, "The front office has been letting assets go for fifty cents on the dollar for most of their last 5 transactions and operations." Looking at the last 4 trades, conveniently posted above, even you should be able to admit that your statement was massively hyperbolic.
You also said, regarding Brown, "He isn't bringing back anything on an expiring deal." That's based on absolutely nothing. All 4 trades noted here involved expirings - Dinwiddie brought value to Brooklyn, Olynyk helped bring value to Utah, and Siakam and OG brought value to the Raptors. Brown is overpaid, but not massively. Teams value what he brings, and some will value the future flexibility provided by his expiring salary in addition to what he brings as a player. At the same time, if things work out, a team acquiring him will have his early bird rights if they want to retain him.
Also, Siakam was traded for exactly his market value. Some like to argue that that value decreased because he wasn't traded earlier, and that seems reasonable. I mean, 1 and 1/2 years of Siakam plus a chance to resign him should be worth a little more than 1/2 year plus a chance to resign him. Still, that 1/2 year was worth 2 useful players and 3 1st round picks. Brown isn't worth nearly as much as Siakam, but 1 year of Brown is absolutely worth more than nothing.
The last four transactions involved selling Siakam for much less than he would have been worth. That is selling for 50 cents on the dollar. If he wasn't an impending free agent him wanting the max wouldn't be an immediate factor in his value. So being an expiring affected his value. It's just logic...
The Jazz didn't get value. They traded a rotation level big and a recent lottery pick for a late first rounder in a weak draft. How do you think they got value from that. If you have Olynyk as the same value as Brown it means we would have to add Gradey to get a similar package
Siakam market value wasn't this low 2 years ago. He was a second option on a championship team. No one will think he was sold for his full value.
I think we Raptor fans, definitely-absolutely-totally me included, over valued his trade return.
We have to acknowledge Siakam/his agent tanked his own trade value last summer and in any discussions with teams about the possibility of resigning long term. Also of note is he was a max player, but one of those players who wasn't really looked at as a max player.
His trade value took major hits due to his play in the bubble and then his shoulder injury, that takes him up to November 2022.
IMO, the only realistic time there was to trade him was starting in the summer of 2022 coming off the 48 wins. Trading him at that time would have been ballsy to say the least. Raptors had ROTY, took Philly to 6 games with an injured Barnes and Trent. But by trade deadline 2023, what were the offers? Hield and Bagley? Raptors reportedly wanted Claxton, Simmons, and 1sts for Siakam from Nets. Pacers were always lurking, but they weren't trading their 2023 lottery first and they weren't trading Mathurin. Last summer offer Atlanta was Hunter, AJ, and "draft capital." These aren't great deals.
Even if Raptors didn't get max value, they did return at least 90% of his peak imo. There was never a rumour where the Raptors turned down a great offer...despite all the SportsNet talking heads crying over sabotaging the Atlanta deal because Masai asked for Bufkin.
The real source of animosity should be trading for Poeltl and jeopardizing future draft pick while lowering their draft lottery odds in 2023...although when its all said and done, Dick will be 5-9 in redrafts imo.
If the Raptors have top 10 protection on the pick for Poeltl there would be minimal griping in Raptorland.