Gary Trent Jr. - Fair Contract Offer?

[aminiaturebuddha]

I'm disappointed that Allen signed that extension. He was the guy I most wanted the Raps to target in free agency. He must really like the situation there (and he is in a perfect role for him) because I think he could've gotten more on the open market.

I'm not sure if the Raps were actually looking at him, but if they were, this probably increases the chance that Gary will be coming back. The only other comparable free agent shooter is Malik Monk, and he'll probably want too much.

[Johnny Bball]

Not to mention I'm sure the Raptors have fielded offers for him and got no real offers. Teams aren't throwing around money stupidly as much with the new cap structure.

Im not a fan of Trent so thats why i said 15M per season but i cant see him getting more than 17.5M per season.

Yeah, anyone can see the slant there. No need to say it.

Any comment after a clearly better player in Grayson Allen just signed for 4/70? Lol

He has to really want to stay in Phoenix. Because I don't think there's anyone here that thought he wasn't getting more including you.

Lol.

And he did just give up his free agency weeks he was a free agent and that wasn't because there was going to be no interest.

[Tor_Raps]

Any comment after a clearly better player in Grayson Allen just signed for 4/70? Lol

I think you have to look at the comparative situations too. PHX obviously likes how Allen fits with the team, they cannot give that money to anyone else and you have to think Allen's happy with the situation too. He's also 28 and unlikely to get another crack at a bag.

It's clear that Toronto doesn't think GTJ is a vital part of the core going forward, so I have hard time seeing them lay out huge cash for him. At the same time, what other team is going to look at his past 3 years and make him a priority target? He's a shooter and that's a valuable skillset, but I think the MLE will be a hard ceiling here if we're talking a 4-yr deal. He's still a rotation player so you'd hate to lose him for nothing, but the behind-the-scenes friction may play a role here.

Allen just put up a crazy efficient season on a near 50 win team and can defend a lot better than Trent who clearly learned to defend by spamming the steal button in 2K. These are aren't even in the same category.

I initially said 15M per season is the most I'd pay Trent because he is definitely a rotation player in the nba. Problem is that him and Dick will overlap a lot next year and there's only so many guys you want who cant defend or rebound to avoid having miserable team defense.

[Tor_Raps]

Yeah, anyone can see the slant there. No need to say it.

Any comment after a clearly better player in Grayson Allen just signed for 4/70? Lol

He has to really want to stay in Phoenix. Because I don't think there's anyone here that thought he wasn't getting more including you.

Lol.

Definitely felt he should have gotten at least 4/80 but this is how the new nba cap structure works where the 2nd luxury tax apron works almost as a hard salary cap.

Teams aren't going to lineup to sign a one dimensional ball hog who isn't even that efficient and plays his best basketball when his teams are trying to tank. There was a reason he picked up his player option last year lol.

[brownbobcat]

Any comment after a clearly better player in Grayson Allen just signed for 4/70? Lol

He has to really want to stay in Phoenix. Because I don't think there's anyone here that thought he wasn't getting more including you.

Lol.

Definitely felt he should have gotten at least 4/80 but this is how the new nba cap structure works where the 2nd luxury tax apron works almost as a hard salary cap.

Teams aren't going to lineup to sign a one dimensional ball hog who isn't even that efficient and plays his best basketball when his teams are trying to tank. There was a reason he picked up his player option last year lol.

We also had comps last year with guys like Strus, Divincenzo, Brown, Vincent, Levert. I thought Allen could've gotten upwards of $80M/4yr, but he's also sort of a niche starter. Contrast him like a higher-end guy like OG who could start on every single team in the league - but he's probably getting $35-40M/yr (although health is a huge factor there).

[OAKLEY_2]

For shts and giggles Grayson Allen is ranked #34 on the Hollinger efficiency list for shooting guards. One behind Norm. Not shabby. Since Allen is 28 his timeline is not conducive to ours so why are we even talking about him? We might get a second rounder and TPE for Gary otherwise the writing is on the wall. Go get paid like Fred. As for Bruce Brown we extend him and then move him at the deadline or at least we have that option. It does bring up a question: pay Bruce or pay Gary. I know what my answer is.

[OAKLEY_2]

Any comment after a clearly better player in Grayson Allen just signed for 4/70? Lol

He has to really want to stay in Phoenix. Because I don't think there's anyone here that thought he wasn't getting more including you.

Lol.

Definitely felt he should have gotten at least 4/80 but this is how the new nba cap structure works where the 2nd luxury tax apron works almost as a hard salary cap.

Teams aren't going to lineup to sign a one dimensional ball hog

who isn't even that efficient

and plays his best basketball when his teams are trying to tank. There was a reason he picked up his player option last year lol.

As in number 58 of all shooting guards.

[OAKLEY_2]

Read this in crappy Quora from a random article.

Free Agency Departure: Depending on how Trent Jr. perceives his role with the Raptors and his aspirations as a player, he might choose to explore free agency when his contract expires. He could seek a new team that offers him a more prominent role or a better chance at competing for championships.

Probably written by Gary's agent.

[Ackshun]

Been on camp Trent Jr for a while but not sure what to say. I think it’s time.


Renounce and free up the $$. Go after Lonnie Walker (UFA), Obi Toppin (RFA), Tauren Prince (UFA), and Kris Dunn (UFA). No clue if we have money for all of them but I like it.

IQ/Dunn
RJ/Lonnie
Dick/ (Barnes)
Barnes/Toppin/Prince
Poetl/K.O

Could be worse.

[Johnny Bball]

He has to really want to stay in Phoenix. Because I don't think there's anyone here that thought he wasn't getting more including you.

Lol.

Definitely felt he should have gotten at least 4/80 but this is how the new nba cap structure works where the 2nd luxury tax apron works almost as a hard salary cap.

Teams aren't going to lineup to sign a one dimensional ball hog

who isn't even that efficient

and plays his best basketball when his teams are trying to tank. There was a reason he picked up his player option last year lol.

As in number 58 of all shooting guards.

Why are people still using PER. And why call it efficiency, just because the E is there?

[Tor_Raps]

Definitely felt he should have gotten at least 4/80 but this is how the new nba cap structure works where the 2nd luxury tax apron works almost as a hard salary cap.

Teams aren't going to lineup to sign a one dimensional ball hog and plays his best basketball when his teams are trying to tank. There was a reason he picked up his player option last year lol.

As in number 58 of all shooting guards.

Why are people still using PER. And why call it efficiency, just because the E is there?

So that's your takeaway and response... you're hilarious lol.

[Johnny Bball]

Been on camp Trent Jr for a while but not sure what to say. I think it’s time.


Renounce and free up the $$. Go after Lonnie Walker (UFA), Obi Toppin (RFA), Tauren Prince (UFA), and Kris Dunn (UFA). No clue if we have money for all of them but I like it.

IQ/Dunn
RJ/Lonnie
Dick/ (Barnes)
Barnes/Toppin/Prince
Poetl/K.O

Could be worse.

We can let Trent go and be over the cap and probably not use the space then. We can let Trent and Bruce Bown go and be 12 mil under the cap and not have the 13 mil MLE.

There pretty much has to be some sort of trade. But I doubt we have enough space to sign 4 guys.

Once they extended Olynyk I figure that means they are operating above the cap.

[Johnny Bball]

As in number 58 of all shooting guards.

Why are people still using PER. And why call it efficiency, just because the E is there?

So that's your takeaway and response... you're hilarious lol.

And your takeaway is what ... Trent is the 58th best shooting guard. Because that's **** stupid. Grayson Allen is no better than 34th out of SG?

Here's my takeaway. PER has nothing to do with efficiency beside burying the TS% stat in with ten more.

[OAKLEY_2]

Why are people still using PER. And why call it efficiency, just because the E is there?

So that's your takeaway and response... you're hilarious lol.

And your takeaway is what ... Trent is the 58th best shooting guard. Because that's **** stupid. Grayson Allen is no better than 34th out of SG?

Here's my takeaway. PER has nothing to do with efficiency beside burying the TS% stat in with ten more.

Here is my take Raps do not feel Trent is worth any more than the MLE. They were supposed to have a deal done in 2023. Never happened. I am also not saying the PER evalution is gospel but show the advance sats that say he is worth being paid in the range of 23ish.

[Boardbreaker]

I could live with a deal similar to Donte’s extension

[brownbobcat]

We can let Trent go and be over the cap and probably not use the space then. We can let Trent and Bruce Bown go and be 12 mil under the cap and not have the 13 mil MLE.

There pretty much has to be some sort of trade. But I doubt we have enough space to sign 4 guys.

Once they extended Olynyk I figure that means they are operating above the cap.

Going by Spotrac, they're at $105M for guaranteed dollars + IQ caphold. Assuming they keep their picks, that will be roughly another $12-13M for the 2 rookies + 1 minimum player, which means they could have $23M of space available.

On the face of it, GTJ + Brown + MLE is likely better than whatever you can get for $23M. If I had to guess, they'll keep Brown to stay above cap, let GTJ go and target a backup guard with the MLE. Maybe they try to move Boucher, or bundle him with Brown, but I'm not sure what's out there.

Starters: Poeltl, Barnes, Brown, RJ, IQ
Bench: KO, Boucher, Dick, Agbaji, MLE, 2 rooks

[sbsat]

Allen not doing Trent any favours signing that deal lol

[Basketball_Jones]

That’s a pretty cheap deal for Allen. Gary better get less lol

[Badonkadonk]

That’s a pretty cheap deal for Allen. Gary better get less lol

Gary is going to FA, Allen chose not too. It just takes one offer to set the market price, and while Grayson would've been a priority over GTJ had they both gone to FA, any team that wants shooting will consider an offer.

Surprised that he took the $17.5M from Phoenix but he must really like it there.

[PhilBlackson]

Personally I’d rather pursue Isaiah Joe for less money.