Porter under investigation for prop betting involving himself

[Mikistan]

It's hard to imagine he's the only guy in sports who has thought of this. I mean, you sit there and watch a game on TV and it's wall-to-wall sports betting ads. For my taste, I'd like to see those ads banned, like cigarette ads. It's poisoning a lot of young minds.

I agree.

Kid watches a commercial with Wayne Gretzky and Connor McDavid and all the sudden he becomes more curious about sports betting or is convinced that gambling is great and not potentially harmful at all.

This is bad for society...just like social media is for kids.

I have said for a long time I want betting ads gone. Cigarattes, alcohol, betting (casinos) all are going to make their money regardless of if there are ads.

I enjoy most of those things myself, but why can betting and alcohol advertise but cigarettes and pot cant?

The day my 6 year old asked me if I knew jackpot city was the day I wanted him to never watch sports again

[ForeverTFC]

Gambling losses are the story of the Toronto Raptors lately:

We went from Fred VanVleet metaphorically "betting on himself" and getting paid career type money by the Rockets this past offseason, to gaining Jontay Porter who literally went and "bet on himself" and likely cost him his NBA career.

We thought we could get max value from Siakam and OG and ended up with zero prospects and a bunch of mediocre players.

Darko was probably the safest bet as a new coach, and even he got sued by the Knicks for stealing information.

This is a dark era and really the only way out of it is firing Masai and Bobby and starting over. There is no winning culture here.

I hope Ed Rogers is paying you well to carry all that water for him.

[raincityraptors]

Gambling losses are the story of the Toronto Raptors lately:

We went from Fred VanVleet metaphorically "betting on himself" and getting paid career type money by the Rockets this past offseason, to gaining Jontay Porter who literally went and "bet on himself" and likely cost him his NBA career.

We thought we could get max value from Siakam and OG and ended up with zero prospects and a bunch of mediocre players.

Darko was probably the safest bet as a new coach, and even he got sued by the Knicks for stealing information.

This is a dark era and really the only way out of it is firing Masai and Bobby and starting over. There is no winning culture here.

I'm pissed that we got Jacob instead of starting the tank for Wemby. We had no business being buyers that year. We should have sold then.

Still it's tough to say there is no winning culture here. This front office won a Championship in 2019. Things have been considerably worse since Bobby's promotion but you can't say that a team that won a Championship in 2019 doesn't have Championship culture. As long as people from that team are here, we have Championship culture through them.

That's precisely why what we are experiencing now is so frustrating. We deserve better than this.

[Dennis 37]

I agree.

Kid watches a commercial with Wayne Gretzky and Connor McDavid and all the sudden he becomes more curious about sports betting or is convinced that gambling is great and not potentially harmful at all.

This is bad for society...just like social media is for kids.

I have said for a long time I want betting ads gone. Cigarattes, alcohol, betting (casinos) all are going to make their money regardless of if there are ads.

I enjoy most of those things myself, but why can betting and alcohol advertise but cigarettes and pot cant?

The day my 6 year old asked me if I knew jackpot city was the day I wanted him to never watch sports again

Tell him ,"You know our old dog Barkley who went to live on the "farm"?"

"Yes Daddy."

"Mommy and I lied to you. He died in Jackpot City."

[Westside Gunn]

I'm out of the loop and I don't mean to derail the thread, but what will happen to Ohtani now with his friend using his money to gamble. Will Ohtani be investigated too or is he now too big to be touched?

[GP2]

I'm out of the loop and I don't mean to derail the thread, but what will happen to Ohtani now with his friend using his money to gamble. Will Ohtani be investigated too or is he now too big to be touched?

It's a good question, because the face of the league (Ohtani) isn't the one they would use as a sacrificial lamb. Porter is a perfect target and warning shot.

[kalel123]

I'm out of the loop and I don't mean to derail the thread, but what will happen to Ohtani now with his friend using his money to gamble. Will Ohtani be investigated too or is he now too big to be touched?

Isn't there a Federal criminal investigation going on? How would he be protected in that case if he was actually involved especially having said what he did in the recent press conference?

[Harry Palmer]

Just one **** thing after another with this team.

[ForeverTFC]

I'm out of the loop and I don't mean to derail the thread, but what will happen to Ohtani now with his friend using his money to gamble. Will Ohtani be investigated too or is he now too big to be touched?

It's a good question, because the face of the league (Ohtani) isn't the one they would use as a sacrificial lamb. Porter is a perfect target and warning shot.

Whether it was Ohtani or not, I think the general consensus right now is that there was no betting on baseball. A lot different to me than Porter if he bet on himself to under-perform.

[Reeko]

Gambling losses are the story of the Toronto Raptors lately:

We went from Fred VanVleet metaphorically "betting on himself" and getting paid career type money by the Rockets this past offseason, to gaining Jontay Porter who literally went and "bet on himself" and likely cost him his NBA career.

We thought we could get max value from Siakam and OG and ended up with zero prospects and a bunch of mediocre players.

Darko was probably the safest bet as a new coach, and even he got sued by the Knicks for stealing information.

This is a dark era and really the only way out of it is firing Masai and Bobby and starting over. There is no winning culture here.

I'm pissed that we got Jacob instead of starting the tank for Wemby. We had no business being buyers that year. We should have sold then.

Still it's tough to say there is no winning culture here. This front office won a Championship in 2019. Things have been considerably worse since Bobby's promotion but you can't say that a team that won a Championship in 2019 doesn't have Championship culture. As long as people from that team are here, we have Championship culture through them.

That's precisely why what we are experiencing now is so frustrating. We deserve better than this.

Bobby got promoted in 2017.

[CazOnReal]

Gambling losses are the story of the Toronto Raptors lately:

We went from Fred VanVleet metaphorically "betting on himself" and getting paid career type money by the Rockets this past offseason, to gaining Jontay Porter who literally went and "bet on himself" and likely cost him his NBA career.

We thought we could get max value from Siakam and OG and ended up with zero prospects and a bunch of mediocre players.

Darko was probably the safest bet as a new coach, and even he got sued by the Knicks for stealing information.

This is a dark era and really the only way out of it is firing Masai and Bobby and starting over. There is no winning culture here.

I'm pissed that we got Jacob instead of starting the tank for Wemby. We had no business being buyers that year. We should have sold then.

Still it's tough to say there is no winning culture here. This front office won a Championship in 2019. Things have been considerably worse since Bobby's promotion but you can't say that a team that won a Championship in 2019 doesn't have Championship culture. As long as people from that team are here, we have Championship culture through them.

That's precisely why what we are experiencing now is so frustrating. We deserve better than this.

Bobby got promoted in 2017.

People don't want to be reminded Bobby is the one who pushed Masai to trade for Kawhi and his relationship with the Spurs then-AGM Brian Wright is what helped get that deal across the finish line.

[Dalek]

Gambling losses are the story of the Toronto Raptors lately:

We went from Fred VanVleet metaphorically "betting on himself" and getting paid career type money by the Rockets this past offseason, to gaining Jontay Porter who literally went and "bet on himself" and likely cost him his NBA career.

We thought we could get max value from Siakam and OG and ended up with zero prospects and a bunch of mediocre players.

Darko was probably the safest bet as a new coach, and even he got sued by the Knicks for stealing information.

This is a dark era and really the only way out of it is firing Masai and Bobby and starting over. There is no winning culture here.

I'm pissed that we got Jacob instead of starting the tank for Wemby. We had no business being buyers that year. We should have sold then.

Still it's tough to say there is no winning culture here. This front office won a Championship in 2019. Things have been considerably worse since Bobby's promotion but you can't say that a team that won a Championship in 2019 doesn't have Championship culture. As long as people from that team are here, we have Championship culture through them.

That's precisely why what we are experiencing now is so frustrating. We deserve better than this.

The problem was that we won the title and then that gave the FO the free pass for years. This is not a team that reloaded and brought winning talent in and was contending for years. It just coasted and hoped for organic development.

I will say that since then we have had a prospect who had a drug problem and was suspended from the NBA. A guy who beat up his girlfriend. And now a betting scandal. We currently have the worst team in the NBA and we have a 50-50 chance at keeping our pick. I mean this team is depressing. The fact that we had a guy come in and had prop bets on himself is just zero respect for his team - that is on him but the lack of culture played a part.

[Dalek]

I mean the fact that from coaches to players couldn't tell this guy was tanking his performance tells you a lot about this team.

[tecumseh18]

I'm pissed that we got Jacob instead of starting the tank for Wemby. We had no business being buyers that year. We should have sold then.

Still it's tough to say there is no winning culture here. This front office won a Championship in 2019. Things have been considerably worse since Bobby's promotion but you can't say that a team that won a Championship in 2019 doesn't have Championship culture. As long as people from that team are here, we have Championship culture through them.

That's precisely why what we are experiencing now is so frustrating. We deserve better than this.

Bobby got promoted in 2017.

People don't want to be reminded Bobby is the one who pushed Masai to trade for Kawhi and his relationship with the Spurs then-AGM Brian Wright is what helped get that deal across the finish line.

Which of your orifices did you pull that nugget from? Bobby "pushed" Masai to make the trade? Everyone knew Kawhi was available. It was decided that Bobby make the first contact because of his relationship with Wright. But so what? Masai was the decision maker. The deal was on hold for days because Raptors refused to give up OG or Pascal, or both (as some media outlets were suggesting). You think that was Bobby's doing?

Masai has been the ultimate deal maker since his days in Denver. And as a former scout, his opinion on draft prospects obviously takes precedence (along with IBM Watson). Bobby was brought in as a cap wizard, a very important function. But he's not the decision-maker.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

culture really setting in since the vets all left

[DelAbbot]

culture really setting in since the vets all left

The "bet on yourself" culture

[WaltFrazier]

Slightly OT, partly related. This article is a good recap of the rapidly changing landscape Silver has to deal with:

https://sports.yahoo.com/adam-silver-nba-dealing-with-serious-consequences-from-fast-changing-landscape-223331355.html

[beanbag]

I mean the fact that from coaches to players couldn't tell this guy was tanking his performance tells you a lot about this team.

What the hell are you talking about? You seriously think the other players, coaches, and front office should be trained and or responsible in deciphering if a player is making prop bets on themself???

[douggood]

I mean the fact that from coaches to players couldn't tell this guy was tanking his performance tells you a lot about this team.

he said he was injured couldn't play, so now the coaches also have to be trainers and judge players health and force them to play if they think they are healthy.

[RoteSchroder]

I mean the fact that from coaches to players couldn't tell this guy was tanking his performance tells you a lot about this team.

he said he was injured couldn't play, so now the coaches also have to be trainers and judge players health and force them to play if they think they are healthy.

Porter: "I got a tummy ache"

Darko: "ok, take the rest of the game off"

Porter: "lol, no I'm actually fine u turd, I'm faking it so that I can win some gambling money. I can't believe you couldn't tell. This entire team and coaching staff are full of low IQ losers! They couldn't even tell that my bowel movements are healthy!"