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How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work?

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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#81 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:54 am

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GoRapstheoriginal wrote:Ok am a 45 year old Gen Xer been cheering for the Raptors since their inception.
I am still confused as to WHO chooses if we convey the pick or not.

So May 12th ping pong balls bounce our way we end up picking in the top 6, who chooses/decides if we keep the pick
or convey it to next year? The Spurs or? Clarification on this would be greatly appreciated please & thanks in advance!


If the lottery determines our pick is #6 or higher, we keep the pick. Otherwise anything from #7 and lower goes to the Spurs. The same logic applies for the next two drafts. No one chooses anything. It simply comes down to our draft position.


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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#82 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:55 am

In the grand scheme of things top 6 is so weird like Masai really got bullied out of a lottery protection or even top 10
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#83 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:35 am

...20-ish pick.. how bad are some peoples simple math skills here. Jesus.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#84 » by DelAbbot » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:14 am

Some genius quotes from just after the Poeltl trade was made, to brighten everyone's day

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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#85 » by Michael Jordan » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:01 am

Question if the Raptors and Grizzlies are both tied for 6th worst record.

Since they split their season series 1-1 but Raptors have a worse division record, does that mean Toronto would have more lottery balls than Memphis or would it be equal since they have the same record?

If the Raps own the tiebreaker Memphis would currently have to lose 2 more games than the Raps to close out the season.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#86 » by CazOnReal » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:31 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:In the grand scheme of things top 6 is so weird like Masai really got bullied out of a lottery protection or even top 10

I can't fathom how it's not even Top 8

Top 6 in Y3? Sure but Top 6 all 3 years? Absolutely baffling.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#87 » by ItsDanger » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:39 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:In the grand scheme of things top 6 is so weird like Masai really got bullied out of a lottery protection or even top 10

Hubris.
Organization can be defined as an organized body of people with a particular purpose. Not random.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#88 » by mihaic » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:49 am

Michael Jordan wrote:Question if the Raptors and Grizzlies are both tied for 6th worst record.

Since they split their season series 1-1 but Raptors have a worse division record, does that mean Toronto would have more lottery balls than Memphis or would it be equal since they have the same record?

If the Raps own the tiebreaker Memphis would currently have to lose 2 more games than the Raps to close out the season.


No tiebreaker.

They share the ping pong balls for lottery purpose. Basically in our case the balls for 6th and 7th would be added together and divided in 2 equal shares.

If neither team wins the lottery and moves up, they toss a coin, and the winner keeps the 6th.

This happened to us, we lost the coin toss in the year we selected Terence Ross, to the Warriors. Hence why his nickname Coin Toss Ross. Gsw selected Harrison Barnes if I remember right
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#89 » by Raptaurus » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:28 pm

Terrible deal.

Would any team, with a losing record, trade a potential lottery top six protected pick AND two second rounders for an expiring Poetl? The Raptors were the only ones and bid against themselves. No other team was even willing to give the Spurs a non-lottery first round pick. Masai desperately wanted to salvage the season and in the process made a big long term mistake.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#90 » by The Duke » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:31 pm

I still gotta laugh at the sheer stupidity of this trade.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#91 » by Duffman100 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:33 pm

Raptaurus wrote:Terrible deal.

Would any team, with a losing record, trade a potential lottery top six protected pick AND two second rounders for an expiring Poetl? The Raptors were the only ones and bid against themselves. No other team was even willing to give the Spurs a non-lottery first round pick. Masai desperately wanted to salvage the season and in the process made a big long term mistake.


In all fairness , while it was an expiring Poeltl, they knew they were going to resign him. So it was that package for 4 1/2 years of Poeltl.
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Post#92 » by anotherhomer » Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:44 pm

having more than a 50% chance of losing a 7th overall pick is quite scary
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#93 » by CazOnReal » Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:03 pm

mihaic wrote:
Michael Jordan wrote:Question if the Raptors and Grizzlies are both tied for 6th worst record.

Since they split their season series 1-1 but Raptors have a worse division record, does that mean Toronto would have more lottery balls than Memphis or would it be equal since they have the same record?

If the Raps own the tiebreaker Memphis would currently have to lose 2 more games than the Raps to close out the season.


No tiebreaker.

They share the ping pong balls for lottery purpose. Basically in our case the balls for 6th and 7th would be added together and divided in 2 equal shares.

If neither team wins the lottery and moves up, they toss a coin, and the winner keeps the 6th.

This happened to us, we lost the coin toss in the year we selected Terence Ross, to the Warriors. Hence why his nickname Coin Toss Ross. Gsw selected Harrison Barnes if I remember right

It also happened to us in our first year, giving us the coin flip that led to selecting Damon Stoudamire (cannot remember who the Grizzlies selected).

anotherhomer wrote:having more than a 50% chance of losing a 7th overall pick is quite scary

Living on the edge is a special kind of thrill.

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Raptaurus wrote:Terrible deal.

Would any team, with a losing record, trade a potential lottery top six protected pick AND two second rounders for an expiring Poetl? The Raptors were the only ones and bid against themselves. No other team was even willing to give the Spurs a non-lottery first round pick. Masai desperately wanted to salvage the season and in the process made a big long term mistake.


In all fairness , while it was an expiring Poeltl, they knew they were going to resign him. So it was that package for 4 1/2 years of Poeltl.

Also it's worth noting that while losing pick control (for now) does suck, it's not like the Raptors couldn't recoup value and trade him for a first.

Like if the Grizzlies called up with wherever their pick lands in this draft + salary, that's a feasible option.

The issue was never the value we gave up so much as it was the context/consequences of trading for him while being several games under 0.500 when you could have rebuilt around Scottie with more assets/young players instead of diluting the pick and thus player you could have paired him with in the 2023 draft. Even if it wasn't Wemby, you could have had a better shot of getting a Thompson twin, Miller, and so on. And this is coming from someone who really likes Gradey/thinks he was the right pick even if I had preferences for Keyonte at the time.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#94 » by anotherhomer » Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:34 am

Losing the Spurs pick would shine is huge light on the mediocre moves that raps have made for years
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Post#95 » by CazOnReal » Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:10 am

anotherhomer wrote:Losing the Spurs pick would shine is huge light on the mediocre moves that raps have made for years

It's not like Malaki has made a case for being a slam dunk pick for San Antonio.
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Re: How does the rules for our San Antonio pick work? 

Post#96 » by anotherhomer » Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:54 am

CazOnReal wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:Losing the Spurs pick would shine is huge light on the mediocre moves that raps have made for years

It's not like Malaki has made a case for being a slam dunk pick for San Antonio.


Not one move but series of mediocre moves that add up...misses like Otto porter jr, Aaron Bynes, khem Birch, Jalen McDaniels along with thad young trade and jakob poetl

What's past is past...these days it seems like raps FO finally woke up and starting to take this rebuild seriously.....

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