Why Do We Want To Keep The Pick This Year?

geokilla · Post #1 » by **geokilla** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:19 pm

Isn't it better to convey our pick over to San Antonio when it's considered the worst draft in a long time?

JD143726 · Post #2 » by **JD143726** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:21 pm

Because there's a good chance that we never have to convey the pick if we bad for two more years, which is probable.

LoveMyRaps · Post #3 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:31 pm

The fact that the FO is pushing so hard to keep the pick this season (i.e., blatant tanking), tells me they're very high on a certain prospect and believe there is a star in the draft.

Despite it being a weak draft, there could definitely be some hidden gems and this draft could very well turn out to be similar to the 2020 draft which was also considered weak but then ended up producing several all-stars.

I wonder who the FO is so high on in the top 6.... One of the Ignite guys? Dillingham? Sarr?

There is not much, if anything, that separates the 6th or 7th best prospect from the 16th or 17th best prospect in this draft.
It's all jumbled up.

SpezNc · Post #4 » by **SpezNc** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:42 pm

geokilla wrote:Isn't it better to convey our pick over to San Antonio when it's considered the worst draft in a long time?

There is an argument to be made about conveying the pick. It’s not black or white. At the end of the Lottery, should the pick conveyed, I will turn the page and looking forward to draft 2025.

That is said, keeping our pick also means keeping a top6 pick, likely a top4 pick with a non insignificant change even being the very top pick.

The Protection roll forward for next year meaning the fact the very top part of draft 2025 being better than 2024 is meaningless.

The question is if pick 7-14 will be better than pick 1-6 this year. It’s not a guarantee.

My rule is anytime you can get a top pick, you take it, regardless of the draft. You never know when such an opportunity will present itself again.

Conveying the pick this year is not a catastrophic event. Definitely a rational to even want that outcome.

But i am definitely rooting for keeping the pick. Especially after such a season, getting a reward at the draft is meaningful for me.

Coco Costanza · Post #5 » by **Coco Costanza** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:45 pm

Because otherwise, this season has been a total waste.

SpezNc · Post #6 » by **SpezNc** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:52 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:The fact that the FO is pushing so hard to keep the pick this season (i.e., blatant tanking), tells me they're very high on a certain prospect and believe there is a star in the draft.

Despite it being a weak draft, there could definitely be some hidden gems and this draft could very well turn out to be similar to the 2020 draft which was also considered weak but then ended up producing several all-stars.

I wonder who the FO is so high on in the top 6.... One of the Ignite guys? Dillingham? Sarr?

There is not much, if anything, that separates the 6th or 7th best prospect from the 16th or 17th best prospect in this draft.
It's all jumbled up.

Apart from the FO giving space to Quick/RJ, are we really tanking? Hopefully we do but we are competing more than expected in the games.

Quick/RJ are probable for tomorrow. The tank is in jeopardy IMHO.

Let’s be honest we are fighting between odds 32% or 46% therefore finishing 6th or 7th is not that important.

But more odds is always better than less odds.

I want more odds.

Hoping that RJ/ Quick does not hurt our chances of keeping our pick.

Basketball_Jones · Post #7 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 7:56 pm

Coco Costanza wrote:Because otherwise, this season has been a total waste.

I think this pretty much sums it up. Losing almost 60 games with nothing to show for it is sad. And historically Masai doesn’t fully commit to bottoming out for very long. And the stats from IQ and RJ look good, so I expect him to push for some immediate help next season.

DreamTeam09 · Post #8 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:00 pm

Because if we were this close this late at the end of the szn, with this many injuries and unforseen casualties then it makes sense. An asset in a weak draft is better than the chance to make another run into the bottom 6 next year.

Tor_Raps · Post #9 » by **Tor_Raps** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:01 pm

Because this team is trash currently and needs all the high end young talent it can get?

If there's one thing people can agree on, this front office has a great track record with drafting. Draft might be weak at the very top but it shouldn't be much different where we'd be drafting most likely at the 6th spot.

dohboy_24 · Post #10 » by **dohboy_24** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:04 pm

KEEP THE PICK:
Top 6 pick in 2024 draft > Top 6 protected pick in 2025 draft (#7 to #30)
Top 6 pick in 2024 draft + Top 6 pick in 2025 draft >> Top 6 protected lottery pick in 2026 draft (#7 to #30)
Top 6 pick in 2024 draft + Top 6 pick in 2025 draft + Top 6 pick in 2026 draft >>> 2 x 2nd round picks in 2027 draft

CONVEY THE PICK:
Top 6 protected pick in 2024 draft (#7 to #10) < Top 6 pick in 2025 draft
Top 6 protected pick in 2024 draft (#7 to #10) => Top 6 protected pick in 2025 draft (#7 to #30)

Unless you believe any first round prospect not selected among the top 6 selections in the 2025 draft is probably going to be a better player than any chosen among the top 6 picks in the 2024 draft, why is it better to convey our pick to the Spurs this year?

Johnny Bball · Post #11 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:07 pm

geokilla wrote:Isn't it better to convey our pick over to San Antonio when it's considered the worst draft in a long time?

If they convey this pick at 7-10, its probably not a bad thing given this team is going to be close to the lower end of that next year, and its a better draft. If they move up to 1-4, its probably not a bad thing as they should be able to find a decent if not world breaking talent there. If they stay where they are and there's nobody that's better than the middle of the draft, that might be the worst outcome.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #12 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:08 pm

Manifest destiny. Bet against yourself, then spend the next few years proving you didn't make a mistake...by tanking.

Johnny Bball · Post #13 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:10 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Manifest destiny. Bet against yourself, then spend the next few years proving you didn't make a mistake...by tanking.

Well you clearly don't have any idea what manifest destiny means. Smfh.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #14 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:11 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Manifest destiny. Bet against yourself, then spend the next few years proving you didn't make a mistake...by tanking.

Well you clearly don't have any idea what manifest destiny means. Smfh.

He made the mistake, he manifested it.

Johnny Bball · Post #15 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:14 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:KEEP THE PICK:
Top 6 pick in 2023 draft > Top 6 protected pick in 2024 draft (#7 to #30)
Top 6 pick in 2023 draft + Top 6 pick in 2024 draft >> Top 6 protected lottery pick in 2025 draft (#7 to #30)
Top 6 pick in 2023 draft + Top 6 pick in 2024 draft + Top 6 pick in 2025 draft >>> 2 x 2nd round picks in 2026 draft

CONVEY THE PICK:
Top 6 protected pick in 2023 draft (#7 to #10) < Top 6 pick in 2024 draft
Top 6 protected pick in 2023 draft (#7 to #10) => Top 6 protected pick in 2024 draft (#7 to #30)

Unless you believe any first round prospect not selected among the top 6 selections in the 2024 draft is probably going to be a better player than any chosen among the top 6 picks in the 2023 draft, why is it better to convey our pick to the Spurs this year?

The underlined is exactly why he is asking the question. And its a valid question, that many do beleive. Not only is there more talent in 2025, there are more grads from the double cohort grad year because of covid. No team was trading a 2025 first at the deadline apparently.

DelAbbot · Post #16 » by **DelAbbot** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:26 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:The fact that the FO is pushing so hard to keep the pick this season (i.e., blatant tanking), tells me they're very high on a certain prospect and believe there is a star in the draft.

Despite it being a weak draft, there could definitely be some hidden gems and this draft could very well turn out to be similar to the 2020 draft which was also considered weak but then ended up producing several all-stars.

I wonder who the FO is so high on in the top 6.... One of the Ignite guys? Dillingham? Sarr?

There is not much, if anything, that separates the 6th or 7th best prospect from the 16th or 17th best prospect in this draft.
It's all jumbled up.

They didnt start this hard tank until Barnes got hurt. So its not because of any prospect

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #17 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:28 pm

He's defending the trade at this point.

TRik · Post #18 » by **TRik** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:40 pm

Losing over 55 games in a season and not having a high pick to show for it is a fireable offence imo. Especially because you didn’t give the pick away for an all star, but gave it away for an expiring Jakob, who is not a top 10 centre.

Masai is praying he keeps the pick. Have zero doubt.

Boselecta · Post #19 » by **Boselecta** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:44 pm

You want to keep the pick this year because we probably won’t be this bad next season if everyone is healthy. Rather give them a pick in the teens next year than the 7th pick this year.

WuTang_OG · Post #20 » by **WuTang_OG** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 8:50 pm

We suck and we are rebuilding. A top 6 pick still has value even in a subpar draft.

Next season is a fresh start with roles set in place. Barnes, IQ, RJ, Poeltl, Dick, Agbaji and the draft picks added. We gotta develop this team