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Re: [Shams] Jontay Porter receives NBA lifetime ban 

Post#241 » by mrdressup » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:28 pm

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Gambling was always there for kids? It was practically non existent when I was growing up. We had no exposure to it. There weren't even provincial and State lotteries. About the only form of gambling that was widespread was weekly one night bingo games run by churches and fraternity groups. No one had stock trading accounts either. You were in a class apart if you had access to a stock broker, and stock markets hardly produced gains. No adult I knew followed that. We collected sports cards that were not seen as buying lottery tickets. More joy was achieved in completing sets with players we didn't even know. All I wanted was goalie cards. All my Wayne Gretzky rookie cards were traded away by my brother for a bunch of stickers he wanted to put on his lunch box. In time we started to see illegal punch boards appear in the back of convenience stores. Arcades weren't paying you off in anything but adrenaline, and you could get hooked on that. There weren't video games yet. We played outside, and winning hardly mattered because we never kept score most of the time until we simulated overtime when the games were nearing their end. When I was given my first pen knife I thought the world was my oyster for all the things I imagined I could carve with it. None of it was supposed to be a source of profit.

What I would say is that in a generation (my generation) we saw a complete transformation of the world in this regard. Gambling has been completely normalized. Governments run and sanction these things today. Everyone wants to be in bed with it to get their little bit of trickle down.

So, it's absolutely not the case that it has always been there. It wasn't everywhere in the mid 1970s. When we entered the greed is good era of the 1980s things changed. It is not before the 1980s that stock markets became a preoccupation of the middle class and a gambler's mentality slowly entered the fray. We needed cable TV to show us all that was a thing. We could not want what we did not know existed. When I went to University no young adult traded in equities yet. People still aspired to do things to get ahead. However it was the beginning of the era when yard sales started to appear. The treasure hunter/seekers mentality we have today exploded at this time. This is when I first heard rumblings that stuff I had played with as a kid had "collector" value. This is now synonymous with growing up now, and it is being exploited in young people by trying to sell them "collectible" whatever. People are mining virtual mountains for nuggets at a very young age. It's all exploitative of someone down the food chain. We clearly eat our young today. We couldn't care less that the barriers to entry to a normal life require huge credit bets to be made. I bought my first house with the proceeds of two summers of lawn mowing. 5K down is all I had to put up. 7 years of U set me back less than 4K. I made it to middle age without ever having to use personal credit. Actually, I still don't use it. I still only pay cash. I don't see progress all around me. I see plenty of social decline and a never ending supply of distraction and false aspiration.

It wasn't that long ago.

Congratulations, you got to benefit from intergenerational wealth disparity. In truth the prices you paid were underpriced because they were subsidized by the future generations for your benefit.


You get that transition wrong. It's today's level of prosperity that you see all around you that was the novel addition. It came out of scientific progress produced by public institutions and then transferred to the private sector for it to profit from. We were all relatively poor of material wealth back then and no one knew any differently. I never owned a pocket calculator until I was 18. This expansion was paid for by rather large consumer credit bubble that did not exist prior to the mid 1980s. All who buy things today are acquiring it from an ability to pay for it in the future. We didn't live like that. My parents never had a mortgage. They bought their first home for 8K. The quality of life we had was high, and that stemmed from a very large war dividend that was gone by the early 1970s. The public sector was the largest hirer of the educated. Society aspired to be better for all in it then. There was a domestic industrial economy still existent at this time, so there were local economic flows widely dispersed. Most of the world had to catch up to our quality of life. Eventually we had to compete with global economies which were once leveraged for our benefit. In many ways exploiting the new entrants into the economy here is what is left. When there is no potential remaining to do so, we have concluded that we needed to import new population to exploit. They are eyed as the future seeds of new borrowing. Their children will be that too. A lot of what went wrong can be traced back to economic ideologies that were normalized starting around 1972. It's beyond exploitative. All that it promises is instant temporary happiness and thrills. The NBA prior to 1980 is not even something I was aware of. I cannot say that it has been progress for me to have been made aware of it. It allows me to live vicariously through it. Obviously, many youth have been swept into this at a much earlier age than we ever were. Video game culture is something that I almost completely avoided. I don't feel I was robbed of some great advance for not having that as a child.
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Re: [Shams] Jontay Porter receives NBA lifetime ban 

Post#242 » by mrsocko » Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:44 pm

Getting involved with gamblers puts you in a position to be compromised. That’s why lifetime bans are involved. You owe gamblers money so you fix games or underperform so you lose games. Speaks to the integrity of the sport. I think other things should be on the life banning list. Who wants to root for a guy who beat his wife.
Still if the games can be fixed it can destroy the sport. Takes a rare breed of stupid to bet on your sport and risk a million dollar future
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Re: [Shams] Jontay Porter receives NBA lifetime ban 

Post#243 » by Potential » Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:23 pm

Justice for Jontay. Bring signs to jurassic park during the leafs game. Jontay deserves a second chance

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Post#244 » by disoblige » Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:05 pm

Potential wrote:Justice for Jontay. Bring signs to jurassic park during the leafs game. Jontay deserves a second chance

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Sold out his team. After a few days, he deserves a second chance. Lol. Fraud is so rampant, higher consequences should be placed.

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Re: [Shams] Jontay Porter receives NBA lifetime ban 

Post#245 » by Tor_Raps » Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:36 pm

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You'd watch Porter if he beat his wife. But you wouldn't watch him or attend Raptors games if you thought he was betting against the team, losing intentionally. Let's just be honest..


Weren't people still attending when our front office decided to purposely lose aka tank as well? Lol


There's no such a thing as tanking. That's a word the fans made up. It's simply player development while strategically putting yourself in a position to draft a potential superstar/ franchise player. This strategy landed us Barnes a few years ago. As a result most fans would support such. What benefits do fans get if players like Porter start "tanking" without the teams knowledge, especially if you're a championship team ? These are two different situations and you know it.


Of course I do... I said it as kind of a joke but ultimately meant that Porters actions did no actual harm to the Raptors. If anything, we kinda wish we lost 3 or more games because our lottery odds would have been much better lol.
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Re: [Shams] Jontay Porter receives NBA lifetime ban 

Post#246 » by Airmiess » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:03 pm

Man has to go to a far away land to hoop or go a 9-5 now and actually has NBA talent. Wild.

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Post#247 » by ontnut » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:43 pm

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I would argue even this is wrong. These guys have way more access to information than the average person. They would know about injuries etc through friends or agents. It's essentially the same as insider trading.

So you're saying businessmen can't trade stocks of other businesses because they have more access to information? I dno if that's the way the world works.

I don't think there's much wrong with a NBA player betting on boxing...or the NHL....


not if they have insider info. If the CEO of Pepsi makes a killing on trading the stock of one specific company, i'm going to assume he had insider info. It may not be true but it's hard to shake that feeling because the CEO of pepsi probably knows a lot of other high level people, regardless of industry.

If Siakam was betting on the Blue Jays, the perception will be that he knows something because it's safe to assume he knows the players personally.

That's my point though. Are you saying the CEO of Pepsi shouldn't be allowed to trade stocks at all, because he has access to other high level industry people, in the same way that a NBA player has access to agents and other high net worth athletes?

I don't think that's feasible, or even logical.

NBA players not being allowed to bet on the NBA makes sense in the same way the CEO of Pepsi can't short his own stock before he tanks it. I however, just don't see how you can tell them they can't bet on NASCAR or golf, just like you can't tell the CEO of Pepsi he can't invest in some other corporation.
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Post#248 » by ontnut » Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:59 pm

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Gambling was always there for kids? It was practically non existent when I was growing up. We had no exposure to it. There weren't even provincial and State lotteries. About the only form of gambling that was widespread was weekly one night bingo games run by churches and fraternity groups. No one had stock trading accounts either. You were in a class apart if you had access to a stock broker, and stock markets hardly produced gains. No adult I knew followed that. We collected sports cards that were not seen as buying lottery tickets. More joy was achieved in completing sets with players we didn't even know. All I wanted was goalie cards. All my Wayne Gretzky rookie cards were traded away by my brother for a bunch of stickers he wanted to put on his lunch box. In time we started to see illegal punch boards appear in the back of convenience stores. Arcades weren't paying you off in anything but adrenaline, and you could get hooked on that. There weren't video games yet. We played outside, and winning hardly mattered because we never kept score most of the time until we simulated overtime when the games were nearing their end. When I was given my first pen knife I thought the world was my oyster for all the things I imagined I could carve with it. None of it was supposed to be a source of profit.

What I would say is that in a generation (my generation) we saw a complete transformation of the world in this regard. Gambling has been completely normalized. Governments run and sanction these things today. Everyone wants to be in bed with it to get their little bit of trickle down.

So, it's absolutely not the case that it has always been there. It wasn't everywhere in the mid 1970s. When we entered the greed is good era of the 1980s things changed. It is not before the 1980s that stock markets became a preoccupation of the middle class and a gambler's mentality slowly entered the fray. We needed cable TV to show us all that was a thing. We could not want what we did not know existed. When I went to University no young adult traded in equities yet. People still aspired to do things to get ahead. However it was the beginning of the era when yard sales started to appear. The treasure hunter/seekers mentality we have today exploded at this time. This is when I first heard rumblings that stuff I had played with as a kid had "collector" value. This is now synonymous with growing up now, and it is being exploited in young people by trying to sell them "collectible" whatever. People are mining virtual mountains for nuggets at a very young age. It's all exploitative of someone down the food chain. We clearly eat our young today. We couldn't care less that the barriers to entry to a normal life require huge credit bets to be made. I bought my first house with the proceeds of two summers of lawn mowing. 5K down is all I had to put up. 7 years of U set me back less than 4K. I made it to middle age without ever having to use personal credit. Actually, I still don't use it. I still only pay cash. I don't see progress all around me. I see plenty of social decline and a never ending supply of distraction and false aspiration.

It wasn't that long ago.

Congratulations, you got to benefit from intergenerational wealth disparity. In truth the prices you paid were underpriced because they were subsidized by the future generations for your benefit.


You get that transition wrong. It's today's level of prosperity that you see all around you that was the novel addition. It came out of scientific progress produced by public institutions and then transferred to the private sector for it to profit from. We were all relatively poor of material wealth back then and no one knew any differently. I never owned a pocket calculator until I was 18. This expansion was paid for by rather large consumer credit bubble that did not exist prior to the mid 1980s. All who buy things today are acquiring it from an ability to pay for it in the future. We didn't live like that. My parents never had a mortgage. They bought their first home for 8K. The quality of life we had was high, and that stemmed from a very large war dividend that was gone by the early 1970s. The public sector was the largest hirer of the educated. Society aspired to be better for all in it then. There was a domestic industrial economy still existent at this time, so there were local economic flows widely dispersed. Most of the world had to catch up to our quality of life. Eventually we had to compete with global economies which were once leveraged for our benefit. In many ways exploiting the new entrants into the economy here is what is left. When there is no potential remaining to do so, we have concluded that we needed to import new population to exploit. They are eyed as the future seeds of new borrowing. Their children will be that too. A lot of what went wrong can be traced back to economic ideologies that were normalized starting around 1972. It's beyond exploitative. All that it promises is instant temporary happiness and thrills. The NBA prior to 1980 is not even something I was aware of. I cannot say that it has been progress for me to have been made aware of it. It allows me to live vicariously through it. Obviously, many youth have been swept into this at a much earlier age than we ever were. Video game culture is something that I almost completely avoided. I don't feel I was robbed of some great advance for not having that as a child.

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Post#249 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:03 am

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Mikistan wrote:
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Gambling was always there for kids? It was practically non existent when I was growing up. We had no exposure to it. There weren't even provincial and State lotteries. About the only form of gambling that was widespread was weekly one night bingo games run by churches and fraternity groups. No one had stock trading accounts either. You were in a class apart if you had access to a stock broker, and stock markets hardly produced gains. No adult I knew followed that. We collected sports cards that were not seen as buying lottery tickets. More joy was achieved in completing sets with players we didn't even know. All I wanted was goalie cards. All my Wayne Gretzky rookie cards were traded away by my brother for a bunch of stickers he wanted to put on his lunch box. In time we started to see illegal punch boards appear in the back of convenience stores. Arcades weren't paying you off in anything but adrenaline, and you could get hooked on that. There weren't video games yet. We played outside, and winning hardly mattered because we never kept score most of the time until we simulated overtime when the games were nearing their end. When I was given my first pen knife I thought the world was my oyster for all the things I imagined I could carve with it. None of it was supposed to be a source of profit.

What I would say is that in a generation (my generation) we saw a complete transformation of the world in this regard. Gambling has been completely normalized. Governments run and sanction these things today. Everyone wants to be in bed with it to get their little bit of trickle down.

So, it's absolutely not the case that it has always been there. It wasn't everywhere in the mid 1970s. When we entered the greed is good era of the 1980s things changed. It is not before the 1980s that stock markets became a preoccupation of the middle class and a gambler's mentality slowly entered the fray. We needed cable TV to show us all that was a thing. We could not want what we did not know existed. When I went to University no young adult traded in equities yet. People still aspired to do things to get ahead. However it was the beginning of the era when yard sales started to appear. The treasure hunter/seekers mentality we have today exploded at this time. This is when I first heard rumblings that stuff I had played with as a kid had "collector" value. This is now synonymous with growing up now, and it is being exploited in young people by trying to sell them "collectible" whatever. People are mining virtual mountains for nuggets at a very young age. It's all exploitative of someone down the food chain. We clearly eat our young today. We couldn't care less that the barriers to entry to a normal life require huge credit bets to be made. I bought my first house with the proceeds of two summers of lawn mowing. 5K down is all I had to put up. 7 years of U set me back less than 4K. I made it to middle age without ever having to use personal credit. Actually, I still don't use it. I still only pay cash. I don't see progress all around me. I see plenty of social decline and a never ending supply of distraction and false aspiration.

It wasn't that long ago.

Congratulations, you got to benefit from intergenerational wealth disparity. In truth the prices you paid were underpriced because they were subsidized by the future generations for your benefit.


You get that transition wrong. It's today's level of prosperity that you see all around you that was the novel addition. It came out of scientific progress produced by public institutions and then transferred to the private sector for it to profit from. We were all relatively poor of material wealth back then and no one knew any differently. I never owned a pocket calculator until I was 18. This expansion was paid for by rather large consumer credit bubble that did not exist prior to the mid 1980s. All who buy things today are acquiring it from an ability to pay for it in the future. We didn't live like that. My parents never had a mortgage. They bought their first home for 8K. The quality of life we had was high, and that stemmed from a very large war dividend that was gone by the early 1970s. The public sector was the largest hirer of the educated. Society aspired to be better for all in it then. There was a domestic industrial economy still existent at this time, so there were local economic flows widely dispersed. Most of the world had to catch up to our quality of life. Eventually we had to compete with global economies which were once leveraged for our benefit. In many ways exploiting the new entrants into the economy here is what is left. When there is no potential remaining to do so, we have concluded that we needed to import new population to exploit. They are eyed as the future seeds of new borrowing. Their children will be that too. A lot of what went wrong can be traced back to economic ideologies that were normalized starting around 1972. It's beyond exploitative. All that it promises is instant temporary happiness and thrills. The NBA prior to 1980 is not even something I was aware of. I cannot say that it has been progress for me to have been made aware of it. It allows me to live vicariously through it. Obviously, many youth have been swept into this at a much earlier age than we ever were. Video game culture is something that I almost completely avoided. I don't feel I was robbed of some great advance for not having that as a child.

My memories of growing up in the 60s and 70s mirror most of what mrdressup is saying. It was a simpler time, a better time, we didn't miss what we didn't have. We didn't have the same temptations of video games, internet, cell phones. I remember being excited getting cable TV for the first time in 67 or 68, now I could watch the NBA games I'd been reading about in SI and TV Guide, once a week on Sunday afternoon. Great times.

Oops I got caught going down memory lane, forgot why I started posting. :D
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Post#250 » by WaltFrazier » Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:12 am

Good article in The Ringer trying to get at the man behind the scandal, Jontay. Within the article is a link to a Sportsnet article by Blake Murphy back in January, profiling the family background of the new Raptor and the journey he went through with injuries. Interesting to see the human side.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/4/18/24134038/jontay-porter-gambling-nba-lifetime-ban-toronto-raptors

It reminds me of the first time I heard Jontay interviewed, how smart and articulate he sounded. That's what shocked me when the first news broke, I thought it can't be this guy. Now I see it's probably that he was too smart for his own good, he saw the uncertain nature of an NBA career and thought he could beat the system
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Post#251 » by DelAbbot » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:30 am

Potential wrote:Justice for Jontay. Bring signs to jurassic park during the leafs game. Jontay deserves a second chance

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Post#252 » by lolwut » Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:59 am

Betting against your own team must be the "cardinal sin" that Adam Silver mentioned.
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Post#253 » by Los_29 » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:26 am

Biggest example of fumbling the bag I can remember. I thought Jontay came across as smart but clearly he’s not. The worst part about this, is he bet against his own team. That’s a reflection of the kind of person he is. You don’t want that kind of person on your team.
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Post#254 » by Bruin » Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:45 pm

Man these brothers are all messed up
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Post#255 » by ontnut » Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:51 pm

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Post#256 » by genius- » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:51 pm

Sheesh.... rough week for the porter family

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Post#257 » by Westside Gunn » Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:57 pm

Michael Porter has to carry the weight of the entire family now.

Hopefully he can squeeze out another 100-200 mill from the NBA
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Post#258 » by 2019nbachamps » Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:28 pm

This board has been slipping lately. Imagine all the legendary threads we could’ve created:

Did Silver give up on Jontay too soon?

Would you retire Jontay’s number?

How much would you offer Jontay?

What is your favourite Jontay memory?
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Post#259 » by mrdressup » Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:20 pm

Porters won't play in the NBA together, but they may share a jail cell.
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Post#260 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:35 am

Westside Gunn wrote:Michael Porter has to carry the weight of the entire family now.

Hopefully he can squeeze out another 100-200 mill from the NBA

This stuff has to affect his focus in the playoffs
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