How big of a gap is there between the Raptors and Magic?

[Scase]

They have a ton of depth. In terms of their starting lineup I don’t think they’re anything special and will probably get bounced to a Cleveland team that also isn’t very good.

Thats the raps, minus the depth. They managed the 2nd best defence in the NBA, we likely wont be able to muster a top 10 anything.

They aren't a contender and unlikely ever to be, but it's easier to build off the 2nd best defence, than not.

[Pericles]

We’re not that far.

I take RJ over Franz
I take Quickley over all 3 guards
I take Barnes over Banchero

…as others have pointed out their depth is great and
we have room to grow in thar area. That’s why I think we should use (hopefully) all 3 picks to find rookie contract
players who can contribute. And though I take our guys, it’s real close and they are certainly a team on the rise.

[C_Money]

They have a ton of depth. In terms of their starting lineup I don’t think they’re anything special and will probably get bounced to a Cleveland team that also isn’t very good.

Thats the raps, minus the depth. They managed the 2nd best defence in the NBA, we likely wont be able to muster a top 10 anything.

They aren't a contender and unlikely ever to be, but it's easier to build off the 2nd best defence, than not.

At the same time it wouldn’t surprise me if they were to miss the playoffs entirely next year. We shouldn’t be trying to be like them.

[Los_29]

They have a ton of depth. In terms of their starting lineup I don’t think they’re anything special and will probably get bounced to a Cleveland team that also isn’t very good.

Thats the raps, minus the depth. They managed the 2nd best defence in the NBA, we likely wont be able to muster a top 10 anything.

They aren't a contender and unlikely ever to be, but it's easier to build off the 2nd best defence, than not.

So now you don’t think they are a contender or even a future contender? Very different to what you were saying a month ago.

[Scase]

They have a ton of depth. In terms of their starting lineup I don’t think they’re anything special and will probably get bounced to a Cleveland team that also isn’t very good.

Thats the raps, minus the depth. They managed the 2nd best defence in the NBA, we likely wont be able to muster a top 10 anything.

They aren't a contender and unlikely ever to be, but it's easier to build off the 2nd best defence, than not.

At the same time it wouldn’t surprise me if they were to miss the playoffs entirely next year. We shouldn’t be trying to be like them.

We shouldn't but as of right now we're trying to be a worse version of them lol.

[MEDIC]

]Not true. Before the OG trade the Raptors were middle of the pack, 16th-17th in defensive efficiency, in fact they were 8th at the end of November. And in 2022-2023 the team finished 12th in Defensive Efficiency, that's miles away from 26th in Defensive Efficiency they finished with this year, it's hard to argue the team didn't get worse on defence by making those trades.

So this team was worse defensively under Darko than they were under Nurse.

A team with Schroder, OG, Barnes, Siakam & Poeltl should not be middle of the pack defensively. They should bare minimum top 10 or they are underacheiving on that side of the court.

OG and Siaakam dogged it here for half a season defensively. OG in NYK is not the OG we had here for the first half season. Siakam to how he is defending in the POs is not close to what we saw all year.

I agree rhat rhey dogged it. I guess rhe question is could Nurse or another coach like Thibs have gotten more out of them.

[MoneyBall]

How is he a stretch big when he didn't even shoot 30% from 3?

Wemby shot under 30% from 3.

And he shot 32.5% from 3 this season. What's your point?

Wemby was correctly projected as a stretch big despite his poor 3pt shooting percentages.

[Reeko]

Wemby shot under 30% from 3.

And he shot 32.5% from 3 this season. What's your point?

Wemby was correctly projected as a stretch big despite his poor 3pt shooting percentages.

When he can hit over 35% from 3 consistently, I'll consider him a stretch big. Right now he is still most effective from the midrange and at the rim. Same goes for Sarr right now.

[wegotthabeet]

So this team was worse defensively under Darko than they were under Nurse.

A team with Schroder, OG, Barnes, Siakam & Poeltl should not be middle of the pack defensively. They should bare minimum top 10 or they are underacheiving on that side of the court.

OG and Siaakam dogged it here for half a season defensively. OG in NYK is not the OG we had here for the first half season. Siakam to how he is defending in the POs is not close to what we saw all year.

I agree rhat rhey dogged it. I guess rhe question is could Nurse or another coach like Thibs have gotten more out of them.

No. Both already had a foot out the door.

[MoneyBall]

And he shot 32.5% from 3 this season. What's your point?

Wemby was correctly projected as a stretch big despite his poor 3pt shooting percentages.

When he can hit over 35% from 3 consistently, I'll consider him a stretch big. Right now he is still most effective from the midrange and at the rim. Same goes for Sarr right now.

That's an odd way of viewing a young prospect's offensive arsenal.

Wemby made 5 threes in three games this season. He's not ubber effecient yet because he's a rookie, but he's clearly got the 3 in his game.

[ItsDanger]

Orlando looking like they will advance to next round. Even if they don't, it's still relevant. There is a clear gap between the teams. Magic have better depth, a clear go to #1 option, better defenders, plus flexibility to quickly improve based on assets/contracts. Focusing on acquiring young talent must be priority #1 for Raps, not quick fixes.

[Tor_Raps]

Orlando looking like they will advance to next round. Even if they don't, it's still relevant. There is a clear gap between the teams. Magic have better depth, a clear go to #1 option, better defenders, plus flexibility to quickly improve based on assets/contracts. Focusing on acquiring young talent must be priority #1 for Raps, not quick fixes.

Ya the comparison was ridiculous. People get fixated on looking at box scores and think our guys can match their offensive numbers while neglecting the entire defensive end of the court lol.

Not only are they much better than us at the moment, they also have more cap space THIS OFFSEASON and CONTROL of their all their 1st round picks. Like how do you even compare the two loll.

[Pointgod]

The Magic are about to head into the second round while we have the 6th pick in the lottery. Yeah there’s quite the gap and the Magic haven’t really done anything in free agency either.

[Tor_Raps]

The Magic are about to head into the second round while we have the 6th pick in the lottery. Yeah there’s quite the gap and the Magic haven’t really done anything in free agency either.

Correction, we are hoping to KEEP the 6th pick in the lottery. Percentages say we are more likely to lose our pick than keep after the lottery lol

[Chandan]

The gap seems to be weltman

[Clay Davis]

And he shot 32.5% from 3 this season. What's your point?

Wemby was correctly projected as a stretch big despite his poor 3pt shooting percentages.

When he can hit over 35% from 3 consistently, I'll consider him a stretch big. Right now he is still most effective from the midrange and at the rim. Same goes for Sarr right now.

My dog's name is "Rico". He is a high rizz animal and my best friend.

I think the main difference between us and Orlando is that Banchero is just a different sort of player than Scottie. Right now in game 7 against the Cavs, dude has 24/8/2 + 2 steals... and it's halftime. I haven't watched much of him but I wonder if his path to superstardom could be smoother than Scottie's...

[Indeed]

]Not true. Before the OG trade the Raptors were middle of the pack, 16th-17th in defensive efficiency, in fact they were 8th at the end of November. And in 2022-2023 the team finished 12th in Defensive Efficiency, that's miles away from 26th in Defensive Efficiency they finished with this year, it's hard to argue the team didn't get worse on defence by making those trades.

So this team was worse defensively under Darko than they were under Nurse.

A team with Schroder, OG, Barnes, Siakam & Poeltl should not be middle of the pack defensively. They should bare minimum top 10 or they are underacheiving on that side of the court.

OG and Siaakam dogged it here for half a season defensively. OG in NYK is not the OG we had here for the first half season. Siakam to how he is defending in the POs is not close to what we saw all year.

We were never a good defensive team. OG and Poeltl under Nurse was around 8th defensive rating. With only either one is at best 15th. While Siakam is average.

I dont think our bad defnese has much to do with OG and Siakam, but our current roster.

[Pointgod]

The Magic are about to head into the second round while we have the 6th pick in the lottery. Yeah there’s quite the gap and the Magic haven’t really done anything in free agency either.

Correction, we are hoping to KEEP the 6th pick in the lottery. Percentages say we are more likely to lose our pick than keep after the lottery lol

I thought it’s 50-50 to keep the pick? Basically if any team behind us jumps into the top 4 and we don’t the pick is gone. What am I missing?

[Brinbe]

about the same. both teams with one legit star and in need of another

[Tor_Raps]

The Magic are about to head into the second round while we have the 6th pick in the lottery. Yeah there’s quite the gap and the Magic haven’t really done anything in free agency either.

Correction, we are hoping to KEEP the 6th pick in the lottery. Percentages say we are more likely to lose our pick than keep after the lottery lol

I thought it’s 50-50 to keep the pick? Basically if any team behind us jumps into the top 4 and we don’t the pick is gone. What am I missing?

It's like 54% we don't keep the pick and 46% chance we keep the pick.