Bargnani: The new Garbajosa?

[breignchile]

Since my "I was right" thread was locked I am going to resort to another tactic. I believe they call this a "bump".


After a quarter of the season, there is even more evidence that this is true. Garbo was either hit or miss with his offence. How many times did he clank open 3 pointer's? But regardless of his inconsistent shooting Garbo did the little things that doesn't necessarily show up on the stat sheet. Bargnani, by the numbers is a bad rebounder, but if you watch the games where he doesn't get many rebounds (most of them), you will notice that he does tip the ball, much like Rasho, who didn't actually grab a lot of boards, but kept balls alive. Also, Bargnani has been playing really good defence, and blocking more shots than ever before. That cannot be overlooked. Bargnani is a crucial part of the Raptors success, most people want him to score more, but if the Raptors can win games that is all that should matter. Our front-court rotation has 4 players with unique skillsets: Bosh is pure offence, no defence; JO is pure defence, no offence; Bargnani right now is somewhere in between, while Humphries is pure hustle. That is a very complementary rotation, and Raptor fans need to be happy that the Raptors can role out various combination's.

Although Bargnani at SF didn't really work out, there will be stretches where Bargnani is on fire and will play with JO and Bosh, and that is a huge positive. It won't be every game, but anytime Bargnani gets on a role scoring wise, having him shooting threes at the top of the circle is great for spacing, and he will always have the size advantage.

Picking a Garbajosa type player isn't something a team would want to do with a first overall pick, but much like Hoffa, managements decision to pick him there shouldn't fall on Bargnani. Imagine a world where the Portland Trailblazers got the first and second pick in the draft and selected Aldridge and Roy, then imagine Gay going third to the Grizzlies. Picking Bargnani fourth isn't something that would really be debated now would it?

If BC chooses to trade Bargnani, that is his decision, but suggesting that Bargnani is not good for the Raptors seems to be based on various biases that fans have. And rarely has to do with the teams overall success.

Up until the LA game, Bargnani had 7 games (15 had been played) where he had a poor offensive night, of which, three of those games were losses and they came against Boston (twice) and Orlando (once). Since the Lakers game he has definitely struggled, but so did the rest of the team. More alarming than Bargnani's poor play was that of Bosh, who failed to reach his scoring average in all of those games.

Bargnani will be a key to the Raptors success, regardless of how good people think he is or isn't. In closing, here's a question: When Duncan and Robinson were together on the Spurs, who was the big man off the bench? And was he better than Bargnani?

[bigtime105]

blah blah.... blah blah blah....

If BC chooses to trade Bargnani, that is his decision, but suggesting that Bargnani is not good for the Raptors seems to be based on various biases that fans have. And rarely has to do with the teams overall success.

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How does a player who puts up 10 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes good for the teams overall success?

Anyone putting up those kind of numbers in that many minutes is hurting their team, its that simple. It would take someone with "various biases" to think otherwise.

[V][/V§@Ñ!TÝ]

blah blah.... blah blah blah....

If BC chooses to trade Bargnani, that is his decision, but suggesting that Bargnani is not good for the Raptors seems to be based on various biases that fans have. And rarely has to do with the teams overall success.

...blah

How does a player who puts up 10 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes good for the teams overall success?

Anyone putting up those kind of numbers in that many minutes is hurting their team, its that simple. It would take someone with "various biases" to think otherwise.

Not just looking at stats, his presence on the court have made our on-court offence more and more stagnant. That might be because of the other players he is playing against but having a seven footer that relies totally on being completely open to score is detrimental for the team.

We really don't need to mention rebounding and effort. The only thing Bargs is great for is his 1-1 defence and blocking. Therefore if we do play a low post presence like a Shaq or a Bynum...Andrea would be valuable.

[bigtime105]

blah blah.... blah blah blah....

If BC chooses to trade Bargnani, that is his decision, but suggesting that Bargnani is not good for the Raptors seems to be based on various biases that fans have. And rarely has to do with the teams overall success.

...blah

How does a player who puts up 10 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes good for the teams overall success?

Anyone putting up those kind of numbers in that many minutes is hurting their team, its that simple. It would take someone with "various biases" to think otherwise.

Not just looking at stats, his presence on the court have made our on-court offence more and more stagnant. That might be because of the other players he is playing against but having a seven footer that relies totally on being completely open to score is detrimental for the team.

We really don't need to mention rebounding and effort. The only thing Bargs is great for is his 1-1 defence and blocking. Therefore if we do play a low post presence like a Shaq or a Bynum...Andrea would be valuable.

Right, hes not totaly worthless, I wouldnt mind his play if he was treated like a Matt Bonner and played limited minutes off the bench. A role player. The key here is lmited minutes, but I dont know if thats even possible, can he put up the same numbers he is now in less minutes per game? Lets find out... bench him. Triano needs to force some more efficiency out of him because that kind of prodution in that many minutes is just embarassing and not helping his trade value if BC decied to go that route.

[ballbuster]

How does a player who puts up 10 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes good for the teams overall success?

Anyone putting up those kind of numbers in that many minutes is hurting their team, its that simple. It would take someone with "various biases" to think otherwise.

Depends what your role is

[RonaldArtest]

Bargnani is the new VladRad, sans the effort.

[breignchile]

blah blah.... blah blah blah....

If BC chooses to trade Bargnani, that is his decision, but suggesting that Bargnani is not good for the Raptors seems to be based on various biases that fans have. And rarely has to do with the teams overall success.

...blah

How does a player who puts up 10 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes good for the teams overall success?

Anyone putting up those kind of numbers in that many minutes is hurting their team, its that simple. It would take someone with "various biases" to think otherwise.

It seems like you are missing the comparison completely. Garbajosa, the player he is being compared to, averaged 28 minutes/game. In those 28 minutes he scored 8.5 points (on terrible percentages: 42% FG, 34% 3P, 73% FT), grabbed 4.9 rebounds, dished out 1.9 assists, and had 1.2 steals. Those were his numbers as a Raptor and he was looked at as being a good player.

[dacrusha]

There is very little comparison between the two and, really, this thread is an insult to Garbo.

Bargs is a semi-athletic primadonna who wants no part in doing the little, dirty things (diving for loose balls, fighting for rebounds, setting solid picks) to help our team win games. He just wants to settle in at the three point line, take soft jumpers and hope rebounds land daintily into his undersized hands.

Garbo was the exact opposite player: the guy was the Brooklyn Brawler of our roster: blessed with basketball smarts, but little athleticism, the guy knew where to be on the court in order to help maximize to players around him.

Comparing Bargs to Garbo is like comparing Nate Huffman to Kurt Rambis.

[bigtime105]

blah blah.... blah blah blah....

If BC chooses to trade Bargnani, that is his decision, but suggesting that Bargnani is not good for the Raptors seems to be based on various biases that fans have. And rarely has to do with the teams overall success.

...blah

How does a player who puts up 10 points and 4 rebounds in 28 minutes good for the teams overall success?

Anyone putting up those kind of numbers in that many minutes is hurting their team, its that simple. It would take someone with "various biases" to think otherwise.

It seems like you are missing the comparison completely. Garbajosa, the player he is being compared to, averaged 28 minutes/game. In those 28 minutes he scored 8.5 points (on terrible percentages: 42% FG, 34% 3P, 73% FT), grabbed 4.9 rebounds, dished out 1.9 assists, and had 1.2 steals. Those were his numbers as a Raptor and he was looked at as being a good player.

Garbajosa was the ultimate glue guy and thats why he got a lot of respect,even from Sam Mitchell who started him without having to be told too. He hustled, he knew his limits and played with a really high basketball IQ, always made the right pass, was always in the right spot on the floor, knew what was going on around him and had a sense for the game despite his bricks. I remember Sam talking about Garbo and saying he didnt have to tell him anything, he knew what he was doing. HIs only problem was his offense and the Raptors needed more from him there but he just wasnt the guy.

Maybe itll come with age and Bargnani can become a glue guy like Garbajosa, once he gets smarter more mature and has a better feel for the overall game, maybe then he can start contributing to the team despite his shortcomings like Garbo was able to do. The difference is Garbojosa was able to contribute the first time he stepped on the floor as a Raptor, the fans didnt have to wait for him, he was NBA ready from day one and knew what to do on the floor. Thats whats pissing most people off including the raptors players is waiting on Bargnani to start helping out. Forget his expectations or his draft rank Id just like to see this guy start pulling his own weight because really thats the key to the success with this current roster - Bargnani. I say current because this roster is built around the assumption BArgnani will be a contributor, so far he hasnt, and the roster will have to be tweaked if he continues to be a non factor on this team.

[JN]

This thread is an insult to what Jorge brought to the team.

[breignchile]

This thread is an insult to what Jorge brought to the team.

That's funny because you already posted twice in this thread over a month ago, thank you for making me find out what "add foe" is all about. Apparently it's like a spam blocker, and responses like that are like spam.

[JN]

This thread is an insult to what Jorge brought to the team.

That's funny because you already posted twice in this thread over a month ago, thank you for making me find out what "add foe" is all about. Apparently it's like a spam blocker, and responses like that are like spam.

LOL, what a crybaby. My responses earlier in this thread were to a specific comment about Bosh, and my assessment of Bargs in his first game. They never assesses Bargnani vs Garbajosa because that was an assinine assessment to make after one game. To say that your comment was even more correct after 21 games, is absurd. DeCrusha spells out the differences exactly.

But anyone I won't ignore you... I need you for **** and giggles.

[cdcastellon1]

lol at this thread


Garbo was a glue guy

Bargs is the opposite

[djsunyc]

the legend of garbajosa. he played great for us 1 season. and then he decided that playing for spain was more important than playing for the raptors. he's a grown man and he made a decision. but that decision hurt the raptors last season and subsequently, this season.