Quincy Douby/Stephen Curry: Not that different?

[DarkKnight]

Ok, so there will be people that read the title of this post and just flame away - Curry is the ultra-hot flavour of the month and Douby is a 12th man in the NBA. There can be no comparison, right?

Player A spent 3 seasons at a small D1 school in a very tough conference. He had good years all three, and in his senior year he scored 25.4 points a game and added 4.3 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 0.8 blocks and 1.8 steals. He shot 46.2% from the floor, 40.1% from 3, and 84.7% from the line while displaying extremely advanced range. He goes 6'3", about 177.

Player B spent 3 seasons at a small D1 school in a very easy conference. He had good years all three, and in his senior year he scored 28.6 points a game and added 4.4 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.2 blocks and 2.5 steals. He shot 45.4% from the floor, 38.7% from 3, and 87.6% from the line while displaying extremely advanced range. He goes 6'3", about 181.

Player A is Douby. Player B is Curry. They shoot about the same, they rebound the same, they are the same size and build, they have the same college experience. Curry played PG as a junior and Douby did not, so his assist number are higher. But Douby played against Big East competition while Curry feasted on the Southern Conference.

So, looking at the two players coming out of college, what makes them so different that Curry is going to be given every chance to succeed while Douby hasn't seen more than garbage minutes in his 3 NBA seasons?

I guess my point is twofold. One: Success in the NBA involves a very large portion of luck - someone needs to give you enough opportunities to grow and succeed or you get buried and everyone just assumes you can't play. Two: Don't write Douby off. His college stats (and the tape if you watch BIg East basketball) show he has the skills to be a scorer in the NBA in the mold of a Monta Ellis or Ben Gordon, any if someone decided that he was their starting 2-guard and was going to get 30 mpg, he could explode. He could also fail miserably, but so could Curry, and he'll be given every chance to succeed.

[KFlight]

Logical points raised. I think curry has a higher chance of being a bust than demar derozan to be honest/

[J Dilla]

IMO Douby and Curry are different animals, and I agree with what you said about luck.

The experts say Curry can be a bit too one dimensional. He'll take a 3 over attacking the hoop. He'll need to attempt at least 10 threes a game to be satisfied. I'd say he'll be more of a specialist in the NBA than a go to guy. 3 point shooting is in his DNA. He's Dell Curry's son.

Douby can score in different ways. He can put the ball on the floor, get his shot off the dribble, and attack the hoop at will. He's skinny and short, so yeah I agree with you he can be a Monta Ellis type.

They have similarities, both are undersized and need to learn to play PG.

Curry will get the chance for sure, he'll play 30 mpg. Douby is fighting for a roster spot, he has to continue to climb.

[execoftheyear]

honestly, almost every undersized sg with that type of skill set in the league are the same to me...there's so many of them, and it's good to have one of those on your team, but to make them part of your core and giving them significant minutes/roles is making a big mistake, imo. Those types of players are stat stuffers (mainly points) and consequently you have to end up paying (overpaying) them based on those numbers. They're suited as 6th men/bench role players.

Because there are so many of those type of players and only 30 teams, I'd imagine there's a lot of competition to get a job since teams only need 1 of those guys and in turn players like Douby fall through the cracks because another similar player may have taken advantage of their minutes since all they do is shoot and it's either hit or miss...and the person that gets the job hit more shots with the minutes he'd been given.

lol hope I made sense...I'm half asleep/faded

just to add...we've yet to see Curry play under Nelson (who's loves his rookies.....on the bench)...we all saw how Belinelli basically dominated SL but saw his arse glued to the bench when the regular season started...who knows...curry might experience the same fate

[boshjonesford]

Good point

[RapsFanInVA]

Douby was a beast at Rutgers. I expected him to be at least an Eddie House in the NBA. Somehow it just didn't work out yet.

[Raps199412]

why wasnt douby a high draft pick if he had those numbers where did he go in the draft and why wouldnt he get a hcance to play

[bonjovi0308]

I read somewhere that the Kings GM (forgot his name) has been a stud in drafting players, and in recent years all of the Kings 1st rounders have panned out except Douby. However there is a difference between haven't panned out yet and will never panned out..which category does Douby belong?

[6th man]

douby is a balla period

[Kayjay]

We could use Douby for some scoring pop off the bench.

Like ten/fifteen minutes a game as is. We have our Von Wafer right in our laps.

[MrBojangelz71]

I've always liked Douby's game and under the right system I think he can be a productive combo guard.

[balkan_beats32]

I'm not sure how far apart the 2 are in terms of talent. Had Curry not been the top scorer in college, he may not have been regarded so highly. However, having watched both of them, there is a significant difference in talent level overall. Curry is the better basketball player. He's smarter, has better decision making skills. He'll be the better pro, but props on the post because I think the difference between the 2 isn't as large as some may think. But...Curry is better.

[DarkKnight]

why wasnt douby a high draft pick if he had those numbers where did he go in the draft and why wouldnt he get a hcance to play

He was drafted 19th overall in 2006 by Sacramento. As a rookie, undersized SG, he had Mike Bibby starting at PG, the emerging Kevin Martin starting at SG, second-year Francisco Garcia Backing up the 2, and Free Agent signin John Salmons also getting minutes at the two. So basically the depth chart at SG, the only position he was qualified to play as a rookie, was Kevin Martin/John Salmons/Francisco Garcia/Quincy Douby. Not a lot of burn available there.

[J Dilla]

He doesn't have to play as a "pure PG" with the Raptors. He'll be more comfortable playing SG.

If Delfino signs with the Raptors, then there's no way Douby's getting his minutes. He'll have to outplay him in training camp and the exhibition games.

[deck]

why wasnt douby a high draft pick if he had those numbers where did he go in the draft and why wouldnt he get a hcance to play

Douby was drafted 19th in 2006. That draft may have been slightly deeper than this years. Hard to say where Curry would have went in that draft. Curry also has the advantage of being the son of a former player. He is much more marketable.

[damitro]

Logical points raised. I think curry has a higher chance of being a bust than demar derozan to be honest/

+1


I never understood all the hype around him. A tweener with a good shot and lightning quick trigger...how many those types of players turn into all stars? In the past 10 years? very few.
The knicks talked about this kid like he was god's gift to basketball...

[Rebel INS]

He's not a pure pg, or a scoring pg. He's not a point period. He's a 6'3 shooting guard. Looking at the roster he's probably the cut/trade that makes the most sense....BUT...If we do in fact get Jack, running Douby at the 2 off the bench would work and it'd give him a chance to play to his strengths

[RiZ]

i believe u because u gave us a legit source of turk coming to T.O

but seriously u raise good points...i never understood this extreme hype on curry. i have a big high on douby now though

[SpaceJam]

Douby is very capable player as is almost every player on our roster. They key to being successful is his mentality, which seems to be changing. Taking more shots shows he can be a scorer when he wants to be, which is a big plus. Hopefully Douby can continue playing well through to make a difference on this team next year.

[Schad]

Douby is very capable player as is almost every player on our roster. They key to being successful is his mentality, which seems to be changing. Taking more shots shows he can be a scorer when he wants to be, which is a big plus. Hopefully Douby can continue playing well through to make a difference on this team next year.

Douby has never been afraid to take shots...his problem is that he can't hit shots against NBA defenses. In college and in summer league, he can hold the ball for ten seconds and eventually get something; try that against good opposition and you end up with bad attempt after bad attempt and a long stay on the bench. He sports a career .483 TS%, leaving him 323rd out of 352 active players...or more frightening, 142nd out of 148 players with usage rates above 20%, a number that means that his fingerprints are on too many plays given his stature.

Mix in poor point guard skills and limited defense and you have a guy with no attribute that makes him particularly useful on the NBA level; if he's getting more than garbage minutes, something is terribly wrong.