I think Jose is going to have a career year statistically.
Hedo will help to set the table and Jose will be forced to shoot more this year, therefore his points will go up.
A faster pace, more motion and backdoor for the offence should mitigate Hedo taking assists from him. Therefore his assists stay close to the same.
A commitment to defence could see him looking to pick the pocket on double downs, which could keep or raise his steals numbers.
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Reignman wrote:Alfred wrote:Reignman wrote:Good to see Jose talk the talk, now it's time to walk the walk.
And just to be clear, I don't think anyone should expect Jose to become some kind of stopper, all he needs to do is put up some resistance (slow his man down by a second or two) so that the help has ample time to rotate. Also, playing his man according to scouting reports would help too.
I'm fully well on the Jose bandwagon this season even though I'm not a huge fan of his style of play. Either way, I can see him doing some damage with Hedo in the lineup. Also, I'm expecting him to turn the corner a lot more than he did last season. I remember him killing teams in 06/07 with lay ups every chance he got, hope he reverts to that form.
Anyway, I see 16/7/3 with the same or slightly less efficiency and a few more trips to the line while playing adequate team defense.
I don't see him scoring that much TBH. There are a lot of mouths to feed on offense, as they say. Hedo, Bargnani and Bosh all need to get theirs, and Jose is generous enough to give it to them.
I think he might take a dip in most statistical categories, but will look a lot better out there, especially on the defensive end.
You know, I thought that might be the case originally, but if you think about it, Jose is the one that going to benefit the most from Hedo's side screen n rolls with CB / AB as the spot up shooter. I also see him being the one left unguarded the most out of JC/CB/AB/HT on kick outs.
I guess it's really going to depend on Triano's offensive scheme, but the person who I see losing some shots is actually Andrea. Hedo will get his cus he can create for himself, Bosh gets his touches by default and he is also our best iso player and Jose is our #1 perimeter threat on this team as well as being a damn good shoot in PnR sequences so he'll get those as well. Bargs is the only one that is the most dependent on others getting him the ball and although he'll get his from both Hedo and Jose, I think he's going to see a reduction in opportunities unless he becomes our inside force in the post.
I have stated the same. Bargnani becomes more of a 3 point/mid range specialist in this type of offense who simply needs to stretch out the opposing C's (much like Okur in Utah).
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Shaazzam wrote:I think Jose is going to have a career year statistically.
Hedo will help to set the table and Jose will be forced to shoot more this year, therefore his points will go up.
A faster pace, more motion and backdoor for the offence should mitigate Hedo taking assists from him. Therefore his assists stay close to the same.
A commitment to defence could see him looking to pick the pocket on double downs, which could keep or raise his steals numbers.
I disagree with this, shared team offenses such as the style we have usually cause shared PPG and spread out assists. In order for for most PGs to rack up statistical categories, they must dominate the ball. With a few added ball handlers (namely Turkoglu/Jack/Belinelli) you're going to see a lot of spreading out on the floor and different players handling the ball, penetrating, and passing out with a lot of ball movement. This team is going to be very similar to our 47 win squad except with more penetration.
You're more than likely going to see much of the same from Jose but with increased drives/explosiveness and better defensively (taking charges particularly, he's always been good at anticipating the charge prior to his injury).
In our offense, I see Jose picking his spots, and camping out for open 3's.
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Anatomize wrote:Shaazzam wrote:I think Jose is going to have a career year statistically.
Hedo will help to set the table and Jose will be forced to shoot more this year, therefore his points will go up.
A faster pace, more motion and backdoor for the offence should mitigate Hedo taking assists from him. Therefore his assists stay close to the same.
A commitment to defence could see him looking to pick the pocket on double downs, which could keep or raise his steals numbers.
I disagree with this, shared team offenses such as the style we have usually cause shared PPG and spread out assists. In order for for most PGs to rack up statistical categories, they must dominate the ball. With a few added ball handlers (namely Turkoglu/Jack/Belinelli) you're going to see a lot of spreading out on the floor and different players handling the ball, penetrating, and passing out with a lot of ball movement. This team is going to be very similar to our 47 win squad except with more penetration.
You're more than likely going to see much of the same from Jose but with increased drives/explosiveness and better defensively (taking charges particularly, he's always been good at anticipating the charge prior to his injury).
In our offense, I see Jose picking his spots, and camping out for open 3's.
Considering Jose is the best three point shooter on our team, IMO he needs more shots. And I think the other guys on the team will be mandated by the coaches to look to get him shots. I also think that teams will look to hedge on him so he will look to make the second pass off of penetration, which generates a lot of open looks for guys. Now I do think the coaches and his teammates are going to be on him to drill that shot off of penetration first, rather than look for the swing first like he used to.
But the swing will be there, and he has the ability to hit guys right in the pocket. So he'll get his assists. And I think he'll get more shots, as he should.
His assists may take a slight dip, but I don't see anything drastic. But I 100% think we will see a major bump in his PPG. Now I'm not a stat guy, but he's improved in that stat every year in the L. Being healthy, and by having guys that can set his table I think he will improve his output. He is still going to have the ball alot, and while we are looking to run more, he'll still see the ball alot when we reset the offence.
I compare Jose to Mark Price, who is a guy that from '88 to '94 was putting up approx 18 and 8. Now Price was pretty much the second scorer on many of those teams, which I don't think Jose will be. But that being said, I can still see him putting up around 16 a game.
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Shaazzam wrote:Anatomize wrote:Shaazzam wrote:I think Jose is going to have a career year statistically.
Hedo will help to set the table and Jose will be forced to shoot more this year, therefore his points will go up.
A faster pace, more motion and backdoor for the offence should mitigate Hedo taking assists from him. Therefore his assists stay close to the same.
A commitment to defence could see him looking to pick the pocket on double downs, which could keep or raise his steals numbers.
I disagree with this, shared team offenses such as the style we have usually cause shared PPG and spread out assists. In order for for most PGs to rack up statistical categories, they must dominate the ball. With a few added ball handlers (namely Turkoglu/Jack/Belinelli) you're going to see a lot of spreading out on the floor and different players handling the ball, penetrating, and passing out with a lot of ball movement. This team is going to be very similar to our 47 win squad except with more penetration.
You're more than likely going to see much of the same from Jose but with increased drives/explosiveness and better defensively (taking charges particularly, he's always been good at anticipating the charge prior to his injury).
In our offense, I see Jose picking his spots, and camping out for open 3's.
Considering Jose is the best three point shooter on our team, IMO he needs more shots. And I think the other guys on the team will be mandated by the coaches to look to get him shots. I also think that teams will look to hedge on him so he will look to make the second pass off of penetration, which generates a lot of open looks for guys. Now I do think the coaches and his teammates are going to be on him to drill that shot off of penetration first, rather than look for the swing first like he used to.
But the swing will be there, and he has the ability to hit guys right in the pocket. So he'll get his assists. And I think he'll get more shots, as he should.
His assists may take a slight dip, but I don't see anything drastic. But I 100% think we will see a major bump in his PPG. Now I'm not a stat guy, but he's improved in that stat every year in the L. Being healthy, and by having guys that can set his table I think he will improve his output. He is still going to have the ball alot, and while we are looking to run more, he'll still see the ball alot when we reset the offence.
I compare Jose to Mark Price, who is a guy that from '88 to '94 was putting up approx 18 and 8. Now Price was pretty much the second scorer on many of those teams, which I don't think Jose will be. But that being said, I can still see him putting up around 16 a game.
I agree, although I don't think Jose will put up those kinds of stats. BTW, Mark Price is still one of the most underrated PGs I've ever seen. Rarely does his name come up as one of the best and IMO, he was.
16/7 seems achievable to me and I can see Jose having a career year when it comes to impacting the game. Also, another aspect of Jose's game that might come into play is that for the last couple of years we've been crying about a finisher, someone to take the last shot. By virtue of him being the ball handler, he rarely had that role, but with Hedo, I'm thinking Jose will get his fair share of end of clock shots. The guy has been pretty clutch in the limited times he's been asked to take those kinds of shots.
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On another note, his sideburn trimming skills were taken to another level.
The Backstreet Boys would have been impressed.
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Even with the coaching staff forcing Jose to shoot the ball more, IMO, 16ppg is being a little too optimistic, if only because of all the players to feed.
If he gets back to his 06-07 form, 14/7/3 with adequate D is certainly reachable.
If he gets back to his 06-07 form, 14/7/3 with adequate D is certainly reachable.
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Maximillion wrote:Even with the coaching staff forcing Jose to shoot the ball more, IMO, 16ppg is being a little too optimistic, if only because of all the players to feed.
If he gets back to his 06-07 form, 14/7/3 with adequate D is certainly reachable.
Think about it this way, Jose needs to hit 1 more 3 per game to reach 16 points. Having a point forward in Hedo will easily do that for him. Now if his minutes are reduced with JJ backing him up, then you might be right, in which I would have no problem because JJ himself isn't a bad scorer.
Either way, I'm hoping our PG position if viewed as a scoring threat like 06/07, this will help with getting our bigs some space and it'll create open opportunities for the other guys.
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Talking about it at least makes it clear that he is aware of it, and being aware of it means he will at least try to address it
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Love the preseason - its all sunshine and lollipops.
I think this is another example of how the fans really don't understand what athletes go through - and how we as fans are impossible to please.
If Calderon had been talking about his injury all year last year, we would have called him a whiner.
But since he didn't talk about it, he winds up getting ripped by fans who think he's a weaker player than he really is.
Its damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I hope Calderon has a great year - I have always liked his game a lot and I hope he can stay healthy.
I think this is another example of how the fans really don't understand what athletes go through - and how we as fans are impossible to please.
If Calderon had been talking about his injury all year last year, we would have called him a whiner.
But since he didn't talk about it, he winds up getting ripped by fans who think he's a weaker player than he really is.
Its damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I hope Calderon has a great year - I have always liked his game a lot and I hope he can stay healthy.
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it's good he recognized..
I think Triano is doing a good job w/ them, defined roles and what not..
if they fail this year it's cuz of execution, not lack of preparation
I think Triano is doing a good job w/ them, defined roles and what not..
if they fail this year it's cuz of execution, not lack of preparation