Bargnani's Consistancy

Veggamattic · Post #1 » by **Veggamattic** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:35 pm

I've heard announcers commenting on how Bargnani needs to get more consistent and I have to say that I disagree. Sort of. If you look at his numbers from 2009 forward (which everyone generally agrees is when he really started to come into form) (I haven't looked because I'm too lazy but I am pretty sure my memory is accurate) you will see that he has been extremely consistent on a game to game basis. Where it gets interesting is if you break it into halves. It seems to me that every time he starts the first half strong he fails in the second half and vise versa. It has actually become almost uncanny how often this happens. He has had many games where he has had 20 at the half but I think his career high is 28 or 29. It is very strange to me how someone could be this consistent and inconsistent at the same time. Has anyone else noticed this too?

I think he sits too much in the fourth. His defense has definitely become good enough to give him these minutes.

STA 13 · Post #2 » by **STA 13** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:36 pm

meh...He's always going to be somewhat inconsistent on O since he's a jumpshooter.
He just needs to grab some boards. He was absolutely destroyed on the glass last night.

Guy Smiley · Post #3 » by **Guy Smiley** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:37 pm

PF game 1 = 5
PF game 2 = 6

Bargnani is a model of consistency.

Veggamattic · Post #4 » by **Veggamattic** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:38 pm

STA 13 wrote:meh...He's always going to be somewhat inconsistent on O since he's a jumpshooter.
He just needs to grab some boards. He was absolutely destroyed on the glass last night.

You missed the point and derailed the thread all in one short post.

Veggamattic · Post #5 » by **Veggamattic** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:39 pm

Guy Smiley wrote:PF game 1 = 5
PF game 2 = 6

Bargnani is a model of consistency.

That hasn't been typical since '07

OzzyAZ · Post #6 » by **OzzyAZ** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:40 pm

at least spell consistuncy right when you make a thread...

Throwback24 · Post #7 » by **Throwback24** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:41 pm

Consistancy, that he is. Consistant. lulz

junot111 · Post #8 » by **junot111** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:45 pm

realgm is a bunch of glory holes

Veggamattic · Post #9 » by **Veggamattic** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:50 pm

OzzyAZ wrote:at least spell consistuncy right when you make a thread...

People who make spelling comments when it's not continually or funny are as pathetic as any people on earth. Get a life. Get an opinion. I apologies for all the kids who used to pummel you on the playground, you giant weenies.

bakafool · Post #10 » by **bakafool** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:52 pm

Spelling and grammar aren't exactly strengths here. Actually, that applies to many North Americans.

With regard to consistency, yes Bargs is rather inconsistent from quarter to quarter. I don't mind if that's the case on offense. But defense is a different story.

nikeone · Post #11 » by **nikeone** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:53 pm

Didn't he shoot 50% or near 50% from the floor since last Janurary? He has not been inconsistant offensively despite what some may be claiming. His shot attempts have varied, his aggressiveness has varied but in terms of shooting percentage he has been on the money for quite some time now.

I can't remember the last time anyone had a perfect shooting night. Guys are going to go 0-3 in one quarter, then go 3-3 the next, then maybe go 1-5 the next and then for example go 4-4 in another. What bugs me about Bargnani naysayers is they jump on him if he has a bad quarter like last night where he was 0-4 in the first quarter and call him inconsistant. If you used last night as an example Bosh had his good quarters and bad quarters last night shooting the ball as well, is he to inconsistant?

His teammates just need to start trusting him better and believe that he will turn a 0-4 12 minute stretch into 4-8 if they continue to give him touches. Using last night as an example again he went 4-4 in the third quarter and then he was basically ignored again. He was used offensively last night in quarters one and three and was pretty much a decoy in quarters two and four.

Sometimes what is inconsistant in his offensive game is the inconsistant touches he gets from game to game and quarter to quarter.

Time for Change · Post #12 » by **Time for Change** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:33 pm

nikeone wrote:Didn't he shoot 50% or near 50% from the floor since last Janurary? He has not been inconsistant offensively despite what some may be claiming. His shot attempts have varied, his aggressiveness has varied but in terms of shooting percentage he has been on the money for quite some time now.

Shooting 50% over a time period doesn't mean you're consistent. Let's look at his January numbers, overall he shot a nice 48.7% from the floor, but game by game he was all over the map.

8/12 .667
7/15 .467
7/13 .538
8/9 .889
8/14 .571
5/14 .357
9/20 .450
10/14 .714
5/14 .357
6/16 .375
8/20 .400
6/16 .375
8/13 .615
7/14 .500
3/8 .375
6/16 .375

bohumm · Post #13 » by **bohumm** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:46 pm

Veggamattic wrote:I've heard announcers commenting on how Bargnani needs to get more consistent and I have to say that I disagree. Sort of. If you look at his numbers from 2009 forward (which everyone generally agrees is when he really started to come into form) (I haven't looked because I'm too lazy but I am pretty sure my memory is accurate) you will see that he has been extremely consistent on a game to game basis. Where it gets interesting is if you break it into halves. It seems to me that every time he starts the first half strong he fails in the second half and vise versa. It has actually become almost uncanny how often this happens. He has had many games where he has had 20 at the half but I think his career high is 28 or 29. It is very strange to me how someone could be this consistent and inconsistent at the same time. Has anyone else noticed this too?

I think he sits too much in the fourth. His defense has definitely become good enough to give him these minutes.

I really don't think the problem is his offensive consistency; it's his defensive and rebounding effort. He gives so-so effort defensively, as long as it doesn't demand too much grit, and his rebounding effort consistently sucks. He's seven feet tall and CONSISTENTLY averages a rebound every 6 minutes throughout his career. This is about what anyone would get by being seven feet tall and on the floor: the ball will bounce your way an average of every six minutes. He never goes and gets a rebound. How many times in his entire career have you ever thought, "Wow, Bargs really wanted that rebound"?

Until he cares as much about defense and rebounding as he does about offense, he will be the one-dimensional player he has been thus far.

Stretch82 · Post #14 » by **Stretch82** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:47 pm

Veggamattic wrote:I think he sits too much in the fourth. His defense has definitely become good enough to give him these minutes.

Wait for tomorrows match against Orlando .. then reconsider ...

STA 13 · Post #15 » by **STA 13** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:50 pm

Time for Change wrote:
nikeone wrote:Didn't he shoot 50% or near 50% from the floor since last Janurary? He has not been inconsistant offensively despite what some may be claiming. His shot attempts have varied, his aggressiveness has varied but in terms of shooting percentage he has been on the money for quite some time now.

Shooting 50% over a time period doesn't mean you're consistent. Let's look at his January numbers, overall he shot a nice 48.7% from the floor, but game by game he was all over the map.

8/12 .667
7/15 .467
7/13 .538
8/9 .889
8/14 .571
5/14 .357
9/20 .450
10/14 .714
5/14 .357
6/16 .375
8/20 .400
6/16 .375
8/13 .615
7/14 .500
3/8 .375
6/16 .375

Most guys have those type of swings. Top scorers generally make up for poor shooting by attacking and getting to the line a lot--Bargs hasnt shown the ability to do that yet though

RocLaFamilia · Post #16 » by **RocLaFamilia** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:29 pm

Guy Smiley wrote:PF game 1 = 5
PF game 2 = 6

Bargnani is a model of consistency.

Comments Game 1 = Pro Bargnani
Comments Game 2 = Anti Bargnani

Guy Smiley is a model of consistency :lol:

Local_NG_Idiot · Post #17 » by **Local_NG_Idiot** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:30 pm

Veggamattic wrote:
Guy Smiley wrote:PF game 1 = 5
PF game 2 = 6

Bargnani is a model of consistency.

That hasn't been typical since '07

Actually it has. Bargs has consistently struggled with foul trouble since year 2.

Last year he had 43 games with 3+ fouls. In the 20 games he played less than 25 minutes, 12 of them he had 4+ fouls.

In 07-08 he had 40 games with 3+ fouls, BUT 29 of 49 games where he played less than 25 minutes he had 3+ fouls. In 30 games where he played less than 20minutes he average 2.6 fouls - that's a fouling rate of 6.4 per 36minutes.

He's historically been a fouling machine since his second year where he was moved from the 3 to the 4/5.

bane_dd · Post #18 » by **bane_dd** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:08 pm

Guy Smiley wrote:PF game 1 = 5
PF game 2 = 6

Bargnani is a model of consistency.

Troll.

Veggamattic · Post #19 » by **Veggamattic** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:01 pm

STA 13 wrote:
Time for Change wrote:
nikeone wrote:Didn't he shoot 50% or near 50% from the floor since last Janurary? He has not been inconsistant offensively despite what some may be claiming. His shot attempts have varied, his aggressiveness has varied but in terms of shooting percentage he has been on the money for quite some time now.

Shooting 50% over a time period doesn't mean you're consistent. Let's look at his January numbers, overall he shot a nice 48.7% from the floor, but game by game he was all over the map.

8/12 .667
7/15 .467
7/13 .538
8/9 .889
8/14 .571
5/14 .357
9/20 .450
10/14 .714
5/14 .357
6/16 .375
8/20 .400
6/16 .375
8/13 .615
7/14 .500
3/8 .375
6/16 .375

Most guys have those type of swings. Top scorers generally make up for poor shooting by attacking and getting to the line a lot--Bargs hasnt shown the ability to do that yet though

Those numbers are actually very consistant.

No really bad games..at all! Not even one below .350

Try to find another starter for any team that didn't have one game below .350

Spartan13 · Post #20 » by **Spartan13** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:08 pm

I think our team success will live or die by Bargs. Hedo is clutch and good offensively but hes never been a volume scorer, we need someone other then Bosh to create things on the offensive end. It seems when Bosh is the only one scoring we lose, but When Bargnani is on we almost always win. This has been the case since the second half of last year.

I think the main reason Bargs goes hot in a quarter and then fades is still foul trouble, didnt he get benched in the home opener for that reason? Hopefully he will start getting those star calls if he keeps up this pace though.

I also think offensively speaking that when Bargs shot is on he is the best player on the floor. He forces you to man up on him, dragging your C out so he can blow by them for an easy 2. He is as un-guardable as they come. Unfortunately when his shot isnt falling he isnt much of a factor on offense, and he is a very streaky shooter. To remedy this, Bargs should start taking it to the net more and work on his post game. we saw that against the Cavs, but it seems like he only takes it to the net when hes hot. It should be the other way around, Bargs should get his confidence from going inside first, those high percentage post shots should lead to more consistancy.