Other Dysfunctional Underperforming Teams

[kush-]

Philly
Washington
Golden State
Detroit
Chicago [Added, even though I don't really think they are underperforming lol]

Think we can target one of these teams and swing a trade? I think we missed a real opportunity at turning this team around by missing the Stephen Jackson sweepstakes. Stephen Jackson is a proven leader, and a "very good teammate contrary to belief (POB)". This team has no leadership at all. TJ was the leader when he was here, O'Neal was the leader as soon as he got here, and since his departure this team has been soft and defense has only gotten worse.

The purpose of this thread is to collectively brainstorm.. so I hope it doesn't get moved to the Trade forum since the thread is not proposing a trade, but asking for ideas!

[D-Wins-RingsIMO]

meh what are we looking for though? none of those 4 teams can do us a good trade for Bosh

I'm sure Detroit would be willing to dump Rip's contract and he'd make an immediate impact as the starting 2 .... but what would we give up?

I guess that's the 1 bullet BC would still have on this roster - load up with a starting SG.

[Jose_Matador]

Philly- I would go after Sam Dalembert and Maurice Speights
Washington- Caron Butler and Nick Young
Golden State- Anthony Randolph and Brandon Wright
Detroit- they are not trading any major pieces, they just spent the summer putting them together.

[D-Wins-RingsIMO]

^ Philly would be completely **** in the head to trade Speights on his rookie contract (unless it was part of a deal for Bosh, obv)

[Michael Jordan]

JOSE FOR WILL BYNUM !!! (contacts are too different though may need some fillers)

Jose+Evans/Johnson for Samuel D! (They have Speights, don't need him.)

Jose for Raja Bell/Correy Maggete!

Jose for Nick Young !

[Jose_Matador]

JOSE FOR WILL BYNUM !!! (contacts are too different though may need some fillers)

Jose+Evans/Johnson for Samuel D! (They have Speights, don't need him.)

Jose for Raja Bell/Correy Maggete!

Jose for Nick Young !

The only two that interest me are Corey Magette and Will Bynum.

[5DOM]

How about we go for Elton Brand and fail again?

[Jose_Matador]

How about we go for Elton Brand and fail again?

Elton Brand paired up with Bosh would be great actually, Brand is a great defender a lot of people have forgotten how good he is...except we can't pay Bosh and Brand...that would be 200+ million dollars between two players, franchise suicide.

[RUN-TMR]

i would add MIN to the mix. they have what, two wins? and chicago too -- a team that needs offense badly.

GS trades make sense: randolph, biendrins, ellis could all be gotten.
DET won't give up stuckey unless we give them bosh. bynum ain't worth it.
WAS i don't touch any of those guys... unless butler can come over for Turk.
Philly again, who do you get other than Iggy?

What we need is a new centrepiece/leader and a new no. 2. if you look at all the talent we've amassed, there actually is quite a lot that could be gotten in return. GS makes the most sense as far as a bosh trade. Bosh + calderon for randolph, Biendrins, and Ellis. not sure they'd do it though.

Barngani I would try to dangle to chicago or Minnesota.

[Jose_Matador]

i would add MIN to the mix. they have what, two wins? and chicago too -- a team that needs offense badly.

GS trades make sense: randolph, biendrins, ellis could all be gotten.
DET won't give up stuckey unless we give them bosh. bynum ain't worth it.
WAS i don't touch any of those guys... unless butler can come over for Turk.
Philly again, who do you get other than Iggy?

What we need is a new centrepiece/leader and a new no. 2. if you look at all the talent we've amassed, there actually is quite a lot that could be gotten in return. GS makes the most sense as far as a bosh trade. Bosh + calderon for randolph, Biendrins, and Ellis. not sure they'd do it though.

Barngani I would try to dangle to chicago or Minnesota.

Nellie would do it, if Nellie is still their by the dead line then we have a chance, he hates Ellis and he doesn't even play Randolph, Biedrins is a valuable player though walking 15 and 12 guy so he might be offlimits.

[Truthrising]

why isn't the Nets added? we really need Lopez and Harris on this team.

[kush-]

why isn't the Nets added? we really need Lopez and Harris on this team.

Nets are obviously tanking and building a young core. When they get John Wall next year, with Lopez and Harris they will be a frightening team.

I didn't add teams that are obviously preparing to lose. Otherwise NY, NJ, and Minnesota would be included. This thread is about other teams that have built themselves to win this season and be in playoff contention.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Why are the Bulls considered underperforming & dysfunstional.

There is not one report that i heard about any unhappiness or problems among the players.

Here is the problem. the owner REFUSES to pay Lux Tax and he is less than $1 million away from it.

He refuses to add to a team that is actually over-performing. Consider: There are 13 players. There were 3 major injuries (Jerome James - still out; Tyrus Thomas - still out; Aaron Gray - just returned in last game). Three players are very bad (Hunter - who is basically an assistant coach; rookie Johnson - who cant learn the plays; Pargo - hampered by a back injury)

That leaves only 7 players for Vinny to work with - and Hinrich & Salmons have been horrible in most games; Rose is hampered by an ankle injury; Miller is old and cant handle more than 15-20 minutes a nght; Gibson is a rookie who is just learning. Deng & especially Noah has been playing well - but they play over 40 minutes a night & get tired toward the end.

I think coach Vinny has done excellent working with the bad team he has been given & no support from management in terms of obtaining healthy players.

i can understand someone saying the Bulls aren't very good - i wont argue that. but come on - "under-performing"???? That just is unrealistic and unfaur. the Bulls have performed quite well when you consider what Vinny has to work with.

[Live Free]

Jose, Barnani, Banks for Foye, Butler, Haywood

Foye/Jack
Butler/Marco/DeRozan
Hedo/DeRozan/Wright
Bosh/Evans
Haywood/Rasho

[Gold Chain]

Why are the Bulls considered underperforming & dysfunstional.

There is not one report that i heard about any unhappiness or problems among the players.

Here is the problem. the owner REFUSES to pay Lux Tax and he is less than $1 million away from it.

He refuses to add to a team that is actually over-performing. Consider: There are 13 players. There were 3 major injuries (Jerome James - still out; Tyrus Thomas - still out; Aaron Gray - just returned in last game). Three players are very bad (Hunter - who is basically an assistant coach; rookie Johnson - who cant learn the plays; Pargo - hampered by a back injury)

That leaves only 7 players for Vinny to work with - and Hinrich & Salmons have been horrible in most games; Rose is hampered by an ankle injury; Miller is old and cant handle more than 15-20 minutes a nght; Gibson is a rookie who is just learning. Deng & especially Noah has been playing well - but they play over 40 minutes a night & get tired toward the end.

I think coach Vinny has done excellent working with the bad team he has been given & no support from management in terms of obtaining healthy players.

i can understand someone saying the Bulls aren't very good - i wont argue that. but come on - "under-performing"???? That just is unrealistic and unfaur. the Bulls have performed quite well when you consider what Vinny has to work with.

They aren't.

Rose is having a soph. slump and the Bulls could be a 2010 player.

I like the Bulls young core and like them down the road.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Why are the Bulls considered underperforming & dysfunstional.

There is not one report that i heard about any unhappiness or problems among the players.

Here is the problem. the owner REFUSES to pay Lux Tax and he is less than $1 million away from it.

He refuses to add to a team that is actually over-performing. Consider: There are 13 players. There were 3 major injuries (Jerome James - still out; Tyrus Thomas - still out; Aaron Gray - just returned in last game). Three players are very bad (Hunter - who is basically an assistant coach; rookie Johnson - who cant learn the plays; Pargo - hampered by a back injury)

That leaves only 7 players for Vinny to work with - and Hinrich & Salmons have been horrible in most games; Rose is hampered by an ankle injury; Miller is old and cant handle more than 15-20 minutes a nght; Gibson is a rookie who is just learning. Deng & especially Noah has been playing well - but they play over 40 minutes a night & get tired toward the end.

I think coach Vinny has done excellent working with the bad team he has been given & no support from management in terms of obtaining healthy players.

i can understand someone saying the Bulls aren't very good - i wont argue that. but come on - "under-performing"???? That just is unrealistic and unfaur. the Bulls have performed quite well when you consider what Vinny has to work with.

I think a big part of the Bulls being tagged as an "under-performer" this season is because of the series they played against the Celts last year, plus a lot of posters don't realize how much value Gordon had on that roster last season.

[krikit]

I don't know how much Detroit is underperforming, they have had their two best (arguable) players injured for several weeks now, though they might look to move Prince or Hamilton either way.

Washington & Philly are probably the two teams most desperate for a trade.

[ansoncarter]

bulls roster is built wrong

-rose has no shooters to kick to
-don't have a real good pick/roll guy for rose

thats so monumentally stupid their gm should be fired imo

[dafunky1]

TU6, I agree with your assessement of the Bulls FO. They choose Kirk over Ben. They coulda got rid of Kirk if they wanted to, but the owner mad it clear that Ben Gordan wouldnt see enough playing time with them signing Pargo. Even with the questionable moves,they still wont get no help.Come July 1,2010 if the mgmt dont sign a major free agent, i will personally go on Madison ave and torch down the house Micheal built

[NashtyNas]

i would add MIN to the mix. they have what, two wins? and chicago too -- a team that needs offense badly.

GS trades make sense: randolph, biendrins, ellis could all be gotten.
DET won't give up stuckey unless we give them bosh. bynum ain't worth it.
WAS i don't touch any of those guys... unless butler can come over for Turk.
Philly again, who do you get other than Iggy?

What we need is a new centrepiece/leader and a new no. 2. if you look at all the talent we've amassed, there actually is quite a lot that could be gotten in return. GS makes the most sense as far as a bosh trade. Bosh + calderon for randolph, Biendrins, and Ellis. not sure they'd do it though.

Barngani I would try to dangle to chicago or Minnesota.

Bynum >>> Calderon. I would take him at that contract over Jose ANY day.

Jose/Weems/2nd for Rip/Bynum

Jack/Bynum
Rip/Derozan
Hedo/Belli
Bosh/Johnson
Bargs/Rasho