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OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst

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OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#1 » by dagger » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:31 pm

Here's something for Bosh to consider.

Forbes has its list of Top 20 Most Miserable cities in America.

1. Cleveland

6. Miami

10. Chicago

18. New York

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/americ ... ide_2.html

And The Economist has Toronto 4th among its "Most Liveable cities" worldwide


So the choice for Bosh is simple

Toronto = Paradise

Miami/NYK/CHI = over-heated shiat-hole.
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Re: OT, Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#2 » by mowcrowbar » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:35 pm

Is there a link?
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Re: OT, Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#3 » by Silk Wilkes » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:36 pm

Miami is a miserable city? WTF!!!
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#4 » by bena2005 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:37 pm

miami is beautiful wtf are they talking about
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Re: OT, Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#5 » by dagger » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:37 pm

Youngblood wrote:Miami is a miserable city? WTF!!!


The weather and no personal state income tax are nice, but the city rates in the bottom 10% of areas when it comes to commute times, violent crime and corruption. Foreclosures hit 7.2% of homes in 2009, 10th worst in the U.S.
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#6 » by Jose_Matador » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:39 pm

bena2005 wrote:miami is beautiful wtf are they talking about
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#7 » by Spragga » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:42 pm

This is a excellent baiting post.

How many pages till this is locked because of trolls?
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#8 » by Latrell » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:44 pm

Miami is one of the most overrated cities in the world. L.A too..Great places to see and visit ..Horrible place to live all year round.
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Re: OT, Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#9 » by Wasp » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:45 pm

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Youngblood wrote:Miami is a miserable city? WTF!!!


The weather and no personal state income tax are nice, but the city rates in the bottom 10% of areas when it comes to commute times, violent crime and corruption. Foreclosures hit 7.2% of homes in 2009, 10th worst in the U.S.


+1, believe it or not some people want more out of a city than a beach and low taxes. Miami was hit HARD by the housing crash and the recession.
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#10 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:45 pm

New York is a great city. It's just that being in Manhattan starts to feel overwhelming after a few days. Everything is so big, and there's so many people in the subways all the time. Toronto seems like such a small town when I come back.

But I love NYers, and I love NY. And think of all that wonderful cap space.
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Post#11 » by 11x » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:59 pm

Miami has a few great areas but the rest is crap.
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Post#12 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:59 pm

bena2005 wrote:miami is beautiful wtf are they talking about


So is any other city with a tropical climate. That doesn't mean that every city that has beaches and palm trees is great to live in.
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Post#13 » by rcaste » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:01 pm

I love New York. I lived there for a while. However, New York can be overwhelming and it affects a person mentally. Miami was beautiful to VISIT.. But I can definitely see how crappy it can be. I went to the Superbowl a few years back to south beach, and as nice as it was, that place was pretty run down. Either it has way too many hardcore conservatives or scary looking thugs/drug dealers. I have never been to Chicago though..
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Re: OT, Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#14 » by realball » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:03 pm

dagger wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Miami is a miserable city? WTF!!!


The weather and no personal state income tax are nice, but the city rates in the bottom 10% of areas when it comes to commute times, violent crime and corruption. Foreclosures hit 7.2% of homes in 2009, 10th worst in the U.S.


Bosh is a millionaire athlete, "corruption" and "commute times" won't really be affecting him. This is just a stupid thread.
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#15 » by Reignman » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:05 pm

Miami is as close to a third world city as you'll find anywhere in the U.S. / Canada. This is from someone that goes there quite often.

Heat fans didn't appreciate it when I mentioned some of the facts that Dagger has mentioned above last week.

People sometimes forget or don't realize that Toronto is a world-class city. We're fortunate to be living here even with the weather and taxes.
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Post#16 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:07 pm

If you're rich it doesn't matter (except for Cleveland).
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Post#17 » by MEDIC » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:09 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:If you're rich it doesn't matter (except for Cleveland).


That's exactly what's wrong with America........if you're rich, nobody else matters......just stuff them all on the other side of town where we can't see them.
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Re: OT, Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#18 » by dagger » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:11 pm

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dagger wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Miami is a miserable city? WTF!!!


The weather and no personal state income tax are nice, but the city rates in the bottom 10% of areas when it comes to commute times, violent crime and corruption. Foreclosures hit 7.2% of homes in 2009, 10th worst in the U.S.


Bosh is a millionaire athlete, "corruption" and "commute times" won't really be affecting him. This is just a stupid thread.


Let's see now.

Eddy Curry was victimized by a home invasion in Chicago.

Antoine Walker was mugged and robbed - it might have been in Chicago IIRC.

Antoine Wright - yes our Antoine Wright - had $100,000 worth of jewelry stolen from his apartment in Dallas.

That's why some NBA players, maybe even a majority if you believe Devin Harris, pack heat at home.

So crime - which is out of control in Miami - is an issue. Maybe a party animal like D-Wade loves the lifestyle, but a lot of US athletes live in gated communities with very high walls patrolled by private security because they are afraid of living amongst the rest of us.

"Athletes in some respects constitute more attractive targets," Kleck says. "They have a high public profile and are known to have wealth and items that can easily be stolen, such as jewelry."

Statistics support Kleck's case. Five NBA players were robbed during the four years from 2005 to 2008 — a rate of 280 per 100,000 people, compared to 145 per 100,000 for the rest of the U.S. population. In other words, the rate that NBA players are robbed was about twice the rate for the rest of the country.

While "only" five robberies over four years might appear to be too small a number for a fair comparative evaluation, Professor Lloyd Cohen, who teaches statistics to lawyers at George Mason University Law School, says: "This is an appropriate benchmark for determining that the likelihood of an NBA player being a victim of robbery is greater than [that] for the general population. This is not an artificially selected sample. This is looking at all the reported incidents in recent years."

The robberies of the NBA players also were comparatively brutal. Possibly because of the players' physical size, those who rob them generally commit their crimes in groups and appear to engage in more planning. Indeed, all the robberies committed against NBA players from 2005 to 2008 involved at least two robbers, and they averaged 2.6 robbers. By contrast, a single robber commits the overwhelming majority of other robberies.

The NBA players and their families are also much more likely to be assaulted and tied up. While only 40 percent of typical robberies involve guns, all the attacks against the NBA players involved guns. Two of the players were shot at, with one being seriously wounded.

Shelden Williams, the 6-foot-9, 250-pound forward for the Atlanta Hawks, had his car stolen from him by two men at gunpoint shortly before a game in December 2007. Williams' longtime friend and former college teammate, Luol Deng, told the Chicago Tribune at that time: "It's not like Shelden is a guy who went and looked for trouble. They were after him for some reason."
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#19 » by Homer Jay » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:25 pm

Miami is like two different places.

One, a beautiful beach area populated with some of the richest people in the world, walled in from the other part.

Two, a vast Cuban slum.

There is a whole middle-class area very very hard hit by the housing crisis. There really isn't alot of middle class jobs in Miami. So it's not really geared for those type of people.

An athlete would obviously be in area one, so it probably doesn't matter.

The good part of Florida I found, is the middle swath, stretching from Daytona Beach on the Atlantic through Orlando and over to Tampa on the Gulf.
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Re: OT: Miami, New York, Chicago - three of America's worst 

Post#20 » by Jose_Matador » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:34 pm

None of this will really affect the athletes in a big way ...this article by Forbes was geared more towards civilians with regular income.

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