Nets 2011 LOTTO WATCH and draft thread

carrottop12 · Post #286 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:55 am

We're cursed.

Ming Kong! · Post #287 » by **Ming Kong!** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:00 am

Bat wrote:We're cursed.

So we've traded Deron Williams for mid-late lottery pick in a crappy draft + a potentially crappy pick in the Warriors pick, Harris who is so-so, and Favors who will likely be our top asset. Even if all these pieces worked out, so what. Ty Corbin is locked in and he SUCKS. I wanted to lose this game like anyone who wanted the team to tank, but we're losing in an embarrassing fashion to crappy teams. Come on now! Sell the team, the ownership sucks now!

Reckless · Post #288 » by **Reckless** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:14 am

clippers blew it(blake missed potential game winning freebie)...sound familiar?

nets will beat teams that are already in tank mode, which the clippers are in all year

Litany · Post #289 » by **Litany** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:39 am

Ming Kong! wrote:
Bat wrote:We're cursed.

So we've traded Deron Williams for mid-late lottery pick in a crappy draft + a potentially crappy pick in the Warriors pick, Harris who is so-so, and Favors who will likely be our top asset. Even if all these pieces worked out, so what. Ty Corbin is locked in and he SUCKS. I wanted to lose this game like anyone who wanted the team to tank, but we're losing in an embarrassing fashion to crappy teams. Come on now! Sell the team, the ownership sucks now!

Slight overreaction, no?

Litany · Post #290 » by **Litany** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:41 am

gojazzmjsucks wrote:here comes another 9th overall pick.

Still the sixth even after today. Don't worry, Nets have a tough schedule and I think the Pistons will win more than the Nets do.

Litany · Post #291 » by **Litany** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:48 am

No more Jimmer talk please. He is Jaycee Carroll with worse stats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w94ogRx8Smc

We need a Harrison Barnes type player please. Enough Jimmer hype.

KTHXBYE

Neon Black · Post #292 » by **Neon Black** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:01 am

The only surefire star as far as I'm concerned is Irving. But because God hates the Jazz, a Nets team without Williams is on a mini-tear and our pick is locking it at #6. Minnesota and Detroit are the only teams with a realistic chance of catching them and they're each at least 4 games back with much tougher schedules.

I'm just **** pissed at our luck.

laytonjazzfan · Post #293 » by **laytonjazzfan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:38 pm

Looking at NJ's schedule I see them losing 12 or 13 of their final 18. Is that enough to stay in the 6th spot? I hope so but Detroit is only a game ahead of them. They look to have an easier schedule then the nets, unless they decide to tank it.

Luigi · Post #294 » by **Luigi** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:01 pm

How does the lockout relate to all our upcoming picks? Does anyone actually know how that can all pan out?

retiredcoach · Post #295 » by **retiredcoach** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:13 pm

The lockout impacts the draft in several ways.

If there is a lockout fewer college players declare for the draft. The draft takes place, but the players draft can't sign contracts and they don't get paid until the lockout is over. If it lasts a whole season, then they can't play college ball or pro ball and they have no income. When the lockout is over, the team that drafted them retains their rights.

If the lockout only lasts for part of the season, then the rookies lose training camp, lose summer league and lose the extra time and coaching they would normally get in order to integrate into the system. In general, it makes it harder for them to play well in a shortened season.

Lockouts hurt a lot of people who don't make millions a year for shooting a ball. It's sad that the greed and arrogance runs so high. I realize their is no sympathy for the "rich" owners, but the fact is they do take all the risk but the players want most of the money. It reminds of the government and how taxes on investments work. When someone makes money the government wants their full share immediately. When that same person loses money, well they can only deduct a max of $3000 a year. Players are the same way. When times are good they want it all. When times are bad they don't want to give back but a little.

If the NFL can not reach a contract settlement and a lockout lasts more than a couple of months expect a long and brutal one with the NBA. If the NFL settles in the next month or two and the season starts on time, The NBA won't have support to sustain an ugly situation when the NBA is losing big money and the NFL isn't.

retiredcoach · Post #296 » by **retiredcoach** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:15 pm

But because God hates the Jazz, a Nets team without Williams is on a mini-tear and our pick is locking it at #6.

If God hated the Jazz, the team would be relocated to Peoria.

Jazzfan12 · Post #297 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:18 pm

Harrison Barnes is really good. John Henson is horrible, he's somewhere between Thabeet and Anthony Randolph. Worried that Sullinger will never get a shot off without being blocked, but he's not going to Utah anyway because he's a horrible fit.

carrottop12 · Post #298 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:26 pm

Well, So much for barnes being available with the nets pick, he just put himself up into the top 3 discussion and possible #1 overall. Pray the jazz lose and can package our two picks to move up and get him.

Ming Kong! · Post #299 » by **Ming Kong!** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:44 pm

JazzD15 wrote:
Ming Kong! wrote:
Bat wrote:We're cursed.

So we've traded Deron Williams for mid-late lottery pick in a crappy draft + a potentially crappy pick in the Warriors pick, Harris who is so-so, and Favors who will likely be our top asset. Even if all these pieces worked out, so what. Ty Corbin is locked in and he SUCKS. I wanted to lose this game like anyone who wanted the team to tank, but we're losing in an embarrassing fashion to crappy teams. Come on now! Sell the team, the ownership sucks now!

Slight overreaction, no?

Lets see, the Nets pick could be worthless with the CBA and kids pulling out of the draft, PLUS the Nets winning four in a row pretty much dismisses the chance of NJ slipping down further in the rankings.

The Warriors have a .450 record, which is 12th worst this season, what if they are a bit better next season? Wouldn't be much of a pick.

I'm not even sure if Favors/Jefferson is the ideal front court, and it's basically our strength right now.

Our current coach is in a multi year contract, and he's WAY worse than Sloan, and even with Sloan I'd say we were just above the mediocrity line, unless you love fighting to get out of the first round every year. I want a damn contender, and sorry, but it's not going to happen, the closest chance was a dozen years ago already.

I hope as much as the next person that I'm wrong, but man lets face it, no one wants to come to SLC. Yes I understand you SLC/Utah locals are happy there, but think about this, if there was a team in Vermont, and you were a young rich athlete, would you want to go there, or NYC, LA, Miami.. etc. I can't blame them. I've received great job opportunities around the country and even in other countries, but I'm not going to move from Miami to some small town in Wisconsin, even for a good salary. To paraphrase a comedian - "Your rent may be dirt cheap, but you step outside and you're in Alabama, but when I step outside I'm in NYC"

Jazzfan12 · Post #300 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:53 pm

My player comparisons after watching a lot of them (No rankings)

Kyrie Irving-Post prime CP3
Jonas Valanciunas-Joakim Noah (Better offense, slightly worse shot blocking)
Derrick Williams-Paul Millsap (Less interior scoring, much better shooting)
Jared Sullinger-Psycho T (Less active, more intelligent)
Perry Jones-Anthony Randolph (Much better interior scoring, worse shot blocking and rebounding)
Harrison Barnes-CJ Miles (100x more clutch, better shot selection and D)
Enes Kanter-7'0 Boozer (With super high bust potential)
John Henson-Anthony Randolph (Less talented on offense)

laytonjazzfan · Post #301 » by **laytonjazzfan** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:10 am

I would love to have barnes and hope somehow we can get him. Trade up if we have to.

erudite23 · Post #302 » by **erudite23** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:43 am

The NFL labor situation is at least as bad as the NBA. The NFL owners just locked the players out, to no one's surprise. A record number of underclassmen declared for this year's NFL draft.

Anyone who thinks that a looming lockout will have any serious effect on the draft pool is out of their minds. It didn't in the 98 NBA draft, and it likely won't in this one. There is a much greater risk inherent in a player going back and getting hurt or playing poorly than there is in getting drafted highly and maybe missing half a season's paycheck. A player could lose 25% of his paycheck to a lockout, worst case. They could lose as much as 90-95% if they play themselves from being a top 10 pick into a minimum salary second rounder (its happened before).

Guys will mostly come out. Maybe one or two will stay for various reasons. One or two might even cite the lockout as a reason for not declaring. But its not going to be much of an issue, truth be told.

retiredcoach · Post #303 » by **retiredcoach** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:51 am

Anyone who thinks that a looming lockout will have any serious effect on the draft pool is out of their minds.

Okay, you've called me out. I'm out of my mind, and yes, I think the looming f*ing lockout will affect the draft.

The first ten picks won't be impacted much. Maybe one or two guys will forgo the draft. It depends on what happens by June.

From 11 to 30 are a wild card on who will declare, and the 2nd round is no man's land. A lot of teams get strong players out of the 2nd round, the Jazz included. Anyone who is a high probability pick for 1 to 10 is in pretty good shape. However, during a lockout rookie's can't sign their contracts even though they've got a deal on the table. If they sit on their asses and don't work out, then they're way behind whenever the season starts. If they do work hard and get injured, that can change the deal. So it's a gamble either way. But the money in 1 to 10 is significant enough most will go for it, especially with their entourage and hanger-ons pushing them.

Last first round and 2nd round picks won't look like good gambles in a lockout so that group is going to be weaker than normal.

So yeah, I think the draft will be affected by a lockout. Call me crazy now, but be sure to call me later so I can watch you eat crow!

The59Sound · Post #304 » by **The59Sound** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:34 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:My player comparisons after watching a lot of them (No rankings)

Kyrie Irving-Post prime CP3
Jonas Valanciunas-Joakim Noah (Better offense, slightly worse shot blocking)
Derrick Williams-Paul Millsap (Less interior scoring, much better shooting)
Jared Sullinger-Psycho T (Less active, more intelligent)
Perry Jones-Anthony Randolph (Much better interior scoring, worse shot blocking and rebounding)
Harrison Barnes-CJ Miles (100x more clutch, better shot selection and D)
Enes Kanter-7'0 Boozer (With super high bust potential)
John Henson-Anthony Randolph (Less talented on offense)

So, he's CJ Miles without all of CJ's primary attributes?

Jazzfan12 · Post #305 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:28 pm

The59Sound wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:My player comparisons after watching a lot of them (No rankings)

Kyrie Irving-Post prime CP3
Jonas Valanciunas-Joakim Noah (Better offense, slightly worse shot blocking)
Derrick Williams-Paul Millsap (Less interior scoring, much better shooting)
Jared Sullinger-Psycho T (Less active, more intelligent)
Perry Jones-Anthony Randolph (Much better interior scoring, worse shot blocking and rebounding)
Harrison Barnes-CJ Miles (100x more clutch, better shot selection and D)
Enes Kanter-7'0 Boozer (With super high bust potential)
John Henson-Anthony Randolph (Less talented on offense)

So, he's CJ Miles without all of CJ's primary attributes?

Well, I just listed him as similar to CJ because their play style is exactly the same. Quick, one or two dribble moves to the basket, unconventional ways of finishing at the rim, shooting off of curls, good quickness but not very good explosiveness of strength, back cuts.