Kanter goes 3, Burks goes 12

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Re: Kanter goes 3, Burks goes 12 

Post#31 » by Litany » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:56 am

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HappyProle wrote:We should all hope the Jazz re-sign AK, otherwise there won't be a soul on this team who will play defense.

And as of right now CJ Miles is the starting small forward.

This. I have no clue what they are thinking. I'm thinking more moves will be made, we have too many 2s, and assuming AK isn't resigned, we will be really light at the 3. I would have preferred Singleton at the 12, but I'm happy with the picks since any good PG prospects were off the board.

I was really surprised at the slide of Leonard. I didn't like him, but I was surprised that nobody else did. Could be a good pick up for SA though.

Bummed that Jimmer went to a really bad team that isn't on TV much. Glad he went that early though.

Here's to hoping Kanter and Burks are the real deal.


I imagine Jimmer fans will buy NBA league pass broadband? That way you wont miss a game of him.
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Post#32 » by jazzfan1971 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:56 am

Well, I'm slightly surprised we took Kantor, for ourselves. I expected to take him for another team and move down to the 6-8 range.

The Jazz isn't your father's Jazz. This is a risk taking team. First trading Deron now drafting Kanter. It all seems very un-Jazzlike to me.

I like the Burks pick myself. I think a slasher from the SG spot would be terrific. All he needs to do is bulk up a bit and refine his shot and he's a high quality SG. And both of those things are quite likely, quite expected. Seems like he'll be better than a lot of guys taken above him to me.

I've been pretty high on Kanter for most of this process, until I saw teh DX clips and that scared the bejesus out of me. I hope he is worth the #3 pick, but, I have my doubts. Any time you take a center, well most times you take a center in the draft you are taking a big risk, it's just the nature of the beast. If it pays off Jazz look genius. I'm gonna give him plenty of chances to prove his worth before I hang my head though, he's young and bigs usually take a while to develop. I say 3-4 years before we really know what we have there.

I like both picks, but, I would rather have traded Kanter myself if we could have gotten full value and let someone else take the risk.
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Post#33 » by HammerDunk » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:57 am

Nah, too much Jazz to watch. I'll watch him when I can.
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Post#34 » by Massimo » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:08 am

SilverQuick wrote:Nope , even before partnership he was playing for fenerbahce.Btw he started his basketball career at Samanyolu college in Ankara. Not sure why you insist on your claim. Do you have any pictures from those days?


Yes because his father used to be a prof. at Bilkent University. I just don't get your point when you are saying where he started his basketball career. I started it in Istanbul, and I live in New York now. What does that mean?

I insist because you are saying something that you don't know anything about. There is not much info about his early childhood on internet. Try to get more info about him(not online) then we'll talk about it.
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Post#35 » by StocktonShorts » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:13 am

HammerDunk wrote:Nah, too much Jazz to watch. I'll watch him when I can.


I'm sure there will be some epic DeMarcus Cousins meltdowns that make it on SportsCenter. Between Reke, Thornton and Jimmer that dude isn't going to see the ball 1/4th of what he would like. I hope Westphal has a XXXL-sized pacifier.
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Post#36 » by Jazzfan12 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:28 am

Don't forget Salmons, one of the biggest blackholes in the league.
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Post#37 » by El Turco » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:35 am

SilverQuick wrote:Nope , even before partnership he was playing for fenerbahce.Btw he started his basketball career at Samanyolu college in Ankara. Not sure why you insist on your claim. Do you have any pictures from those days?


not only Enes never played for Efes Pilsen, even if he did, it is highly unlikely 14 year Enes would be playing alongside of 17 year olds as they are usually sent to their pilot team Pertevniyal at that age. massimo is clearly talking out of his ass.

anyway, i am stoked to have him on Jazz.
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Post#38 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:35 am

Ya someone over there in Sacto is going to get the short of the stick, I feel bad for Westphal and the coaches.
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Post#39 » by StocktonShorts » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:31 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:Don't forget Salmons, one of the biggest blackholes in the league.


You're right! That totally escaped me. Good times ahead in SacTown (for one last year)
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Post#40 » by woodstock17 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:14 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Well, I'm slightly surprised we took Kantor, for ourselves. I expected to take him for another team and move down to the 6-8 range.

The Jazz isn't your father's Jazz. This is a risk taking team. First trading Deron now drafting Kanter. It all seems very un-Jazzlike to me.

I like the Burks pick myself. I think a slasher from the SG spot would be terrific. All he needs to do is bulk up a bit and refine his shot and he's a high quality SG. And both of those things are quite likely, quite expected. Seems like he'll be better than a lot of guys taken above him to me.

I've been pretty high on Kanter for most of this process, until I saw teh DX clips and that scared the bejesus out of me. I hope he is worth the #3 pick, but, I have my doubts. Any time you take a center, well most times you take a center in the draft you are taking a big risk, it's just the nature of the beast. If it pays off Jazz look genius. I'm gonna give him plenty of chances to prove his worth before I hang my head though, he's young and bigs usually take a while to develop. I say 3-4 years before we really know what we have there.

I like both picks, but, I would rather have traded Kanter myself if we could have gotten full value and let someone else take the risk.


you can argue that Kanter is a risk but I dont think you can say that trading deron was a risk at all. He would have walked away leaving the Jazz with nothing and he could have made things worse had he stayed any longer. The Jazz could only GAIN from trading deron. Even if the picks didnt work out then you jump started your rebuild by getting rid of the fungus that was making everyone all itchy and scratchy. but thankfully we lucked out and got the twin towers. And Devin harris as a booby prize.

I do agree with you though that this Jazz is different. Once Sloan was gone it seemed to unleash the beast in KOC. I like really it.. it is refreshing.
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Post#41 » by carrottop12 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:40 am

I have no idea how to feel about kanter, it's that simple. Hopefully he plays for turkey this summer so we get a preview.
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Post#42 » by The Sheik » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:57 am

Bat wrote:Ed Davis is who I wanted last year, I was pushing him really hard going into the draft.

Before that The Sheik and I were both talking about Eric Maynor before anyone here was talking about Maynor, we both loved him, and after the Jazz picked him we were stoked.



I had to come out of posting exile for this. I loved Maynor, really bummed to lose him. In. fact he'd be a great PG for this new team.

I love this draft, BPA at both spots, and the front office got "KOC blocked" by the bball people for trying to move up for Jimmer. Good sign for the future, on paper this draft looks great.

So.... Enes Kanter, Favors, Burks (not making playoffs), Harris and GSW pick for Deron. looking pretty good.
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Post#43 » by The Sheik » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:01 am

Bat wrote:I have no idea how to feel about kanter, it's that simple. Hopefully he plays for turkey this summer so we get a preview.


I think Enes is a lite Kevin Love. We are lacking big time on the board, and he fits an immediate need there. Just like Love he is a space filler, big down low, and versatility to add range to his O game. His greatest D assest will be his ability to alter shots and clean the glass.

I think his upside is Kevin Love, at worst he is a 10-12 and 10 starting C.

The big picture is we have 4 building pieces that are 19-20. This core is a great place to start our rebuilding effort.
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Post#44 » by carrottop12 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:05 am

Sheik! What's up bro? You still in school?

I see the comparison, hell he could be full Kevin love, who knows. Or full Demarcus cousins, or he could be nothing. I really don't have super high expectations because I just don't know what to expect, but I do trust that the jazz knew what they were doing. I'm excited about the pick, can't wait to see him in action.
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Post#45 » by The Sheik » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:30 am

Bat wrote:Sheik! What's up bro? You still in school?

I see the comparison, hell he could be full Kevin love, who knows. Or full Demarcus cousins, or he could be nothing. I really don't have super high expectations because I just don't know what to expect, but I do trust that the jazz knew what they were doing. I'm excited about the pick, can't wait to see him in action.


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Post#46 » by Toothless » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:16 pm

The thing I like about Kanter as a big, is that he looks like he plays "big." Both Borchard and Koufus were tall, but I never got the sense that they were a beast on the court. Hafa was a beast, but with no skill. Fes is a beast, but with no heart. Hopefully, Kanter can be a beast with skill and heart. If so, he may not be a superstar but he will be a good player, a rebounding machine (which we are sorely lacking), and a tough matchup for other bigs.

I also like having lots of bigs in rotatation. Sharing the minutes might drive them crazy, but big bodies are injury prone and having a solid rotation of bigs where the talent doesn't drop off and where we can take advantage of match ups makes a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't trade Al or Paul, instead I would get rid of Fes and Elson, use Memo sparingly and as a mentor, and make sure the young guys get plenty of time on the court without killing them off.
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Post#47 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:01 pm

How can Enes Kanter be Kevin Love lite when he is taller and bigger than K-Love???

And what did you mean by the "KOC block" comment for trying to get Jimmer? Has something been floated out there that they wanted to move up to get him?
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Post#48 » by carrottop12 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:41 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:How can Enes Kanter be Kevin Love lite when he is taller and bigger than K-Love???


He said Kevin Love lite, not Kevin Love short.

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Post#49 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:28 pm

Uh-huh...you're point being?

If you think he is comparable to Kevin Love than he is going to be better than Love because of his size...so how is he Kevin Love lite?
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Post#50 » by The59Sound » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:11 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Uh-huh...you're point being?

If you think he is comparable to Kevin Love than he is going to be better than Love because of his size...so how is he Kevin Love lite?


That doesn't make any sense. Here's what Bat said:

Bat wrote:I think Enes is a lite Kevin Love. We are lacking big time on the board, and he fits an immediate need there. Just like Love he is a space filler, big down low, and versatility to add range to his O game. His greatest D assest will be his ability to alter shots and clean the glass.


Why would being taller mean that Enes is going to automatically be better at the things both have a knack for? Both appear to be rebounders that rely on position, rather than leaping ability. However, Bat believes that ability is more developed in Love and that Kanter is unlikely to equal him, despite their similarities.

Some people on here have called Hayward "Ginobli Lite." Does that mean they all think he's going to be better than Ginobli, since Gordon is taller?
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