Trades, trade rumors, trade ideas: Season 2016-2017

[AingesBurner]

You cannot sign Gibson for cheaper than Favors for next year. And Gibson cannot give you what Favors can give you.

True but cheaper for the foreseeable future and if you want a big guy that can bang inside and defend why not Taj? Especially since he would be a bench big anyways.

I need to make a thread with cap calculations with the different scenarios. I wonder if Favors would be willing to give discount because of his injuries and struggles this year in an renegotiate and extend. If you can get him for 20+20+15+15 or something like that, It might be a great deal. If that's the case, you might be looking at another Favors bargain contract where he'd be cheaper than players like Gibson or Dieng at the back end of the contract...

I think for Favors to get that sort of money he will have to work his ass off this summer on his point forward skills, playing two traditional bigs are going the way of the dinosaur. We can't pay Favors that much and have him ride the pine 20-25 minutes a game.

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True but cheaper for the foreseeable future and if you want a big guy that can bang inside and defend why not Taj? Especially since he would be a bench big anyways.

I need to make a thread with cap calculations with the different scenarios. I wonder if Favors would be willing to give discount because of his injuries and struggles this year in an renegotiate and extend. If you can get him for 20+20+15+15 or something like that, It might be a great deal. If that's the case, you might be looking at another Favors bargain contract where he'd be cheaper than players like Gibson or Dieng at the back end of the contract...

I think for Favors to get that sort of money he will have to work his ass off this summer on his point forward skills, playing two traditional bigs are going the way of the dinosaur. We can't pay Favors that much and have him ride the pine 20-25 minutes a game.

WTF? Have you guys officially gone insane? Favors was a top 30 player in the league just 2 months ago! In what world is he riding the pine if he as much as gets to his usual level from last two years? In what world is that not worth the max let alone under 20M per year?

[AingesBurner]

I need to make a thread with cap calculations with the different scenarios. I wonder if Favors would be willing to give discount because of his injuries and struggles this year in an renegotiate and extend. If you can get him for 20+20+15+15 or something like that, It might be a great deal. If that's the case, you might be looking at another Favors bargain contract where he'd be cheaper than players like Gibson or Dieng at the back end of the contract...

I think for Favors to get that sort of money he will have to work his ass off this summer on his point forward skills, playing two traditional bigs are going the way of the dinosaur. We can't pay Favors that much and have him ride the pine 20-25 minutes a game.

WTF? Have you guys officially gone insane? Favors was a top 30 player in the league just 2 months ago! In what world is he riding the pine if he as much as gets to his usual level from last two years? In what world is that not worth the max let alone under 20M per year?

I can agree with all of that but the Jazz need a stretch 4 to compete with where the NBA is going and if Favors wants to be that guy he needs to completely change his game.

[Daddy 801]

If Favs is healthy he would be playing a 32-36 mins a night. Stretch 4's are not insanely hard to come by anymore because teams are playing guys like Ingles/JJ as PF's. There is only one Draymond. So yes it would be great to get a guy like Draymond on our team. But until we magically can get a guy like that you don't let Favs walk because he isn't the ideal PF. Favs can easily play 32 mins a game with Gobert and dominate if healthy. He might not end a game depending on the matchup, but that's why a GM builds a versatile roster.

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I need to make a thread with cap calculations with the different scenarios. I wonder if Favors would be willing to give discount because of his injuries and struggles this year in an renegotiate and extend. If you can get him for 20+20+15+15 or something like that, It might be a great deal. If that's the case, you might be looking at another Favors bargain contract where he'd be cheaper than players like Gibson or Dieng at the back end of the contract...

I think for Favors to get that sort of money he will have to work his ass off this summer on his point forward skills, playing two traditional bigs are going the way of the dinosaur. We can't pay Favors that much and have him ride the pine 20-25 minutes a game.

WTF? Have you guys officially gone insane? Favors was a top 30 player in the league just 2 months ago! In what world is he riding the pine if he as much as gets to his usual level from last two years? In what world is that not worth the max let alone under 20M per year?

No he wasn't a top 30 player at any point in his career. He has been a good player when healthy but not even close to a great player.

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[Crunch 99]

Sports Illustrated had Favors ranked #28 coming in to this season. They had Hayward at #27 and Gobert at #33.
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-top-100-player-rankings?sdf#nba/2016/09/15/blake-griffin-los-angeles-clippers

28. Derrick Favors, PF, Jazz

The Jazz are zigging where a lot of teams are zagging, and Derrick Favors’s comprehensive two-way game makes it all possible. With so many teams hoping to play smaller and faster, the 25-year-old Favors makes for a nightly mismatch. His strength, honed scoring ability and motor are tough to handle for perimeter-oriented fours, as he can pound the glass on both ends and work his way to high-percentage shots against undersized defenders. At the same time, Favors (16.4 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 1.5 BPG) moves well defensively for a man of his size, meaning he can be played for stretches alongside a true center without being exposed. As a result, the Jazz can trot out traditional lineups featuring Favors and Rudy Gobert that control the tempo, force lots of tough and contested looks, dominate the glass and suck the life out of the opposition. But, wait, there’s more: Favors can also shift up to play center, giving coach Quin Snyder a strong backline defender at his disposal for all 48 minutes. This year, Utah should be able to downshift into spread looks more easily thanks to the additions of Boris Diaw and Joe Johnson, plus growth from Trey Lyles. With extra space, Favors should be in even better position to operate one-on-one in the paint against overmatched defenders. If Utah takes a step forward in the standings, as expected, it will be fascinating to see how the rest of the West will handle matchups with Favors in the postseason. Do you stay big in hopes of neutralizing him, thereby going along with Utah’s preferred style? Or, do you try to go small in hopes of playing him or Gobert off the court while running the risk that he might pound you into submission? (Last year: No. 37)

+ One of just eight players to average at least one steal and one block last season, he graded out well defensively by the major advanced metrics and can comfortably handle both fours and fives
+ His physicality and skill make him hard to stop when he works up a head of steam going to the hoop, whether he’s making decisive moves from the post, crashing the offensive glass, cutting hard to the basket off the ball, or rolling with purpose in the two-man game
– He missed a career-high 20 games last season, including an extended stretch due to a back injury
– He forms a beastly pairing with Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, but he needs to continue to improve his shooting if the Jazz are going to find enough offensive spacing with that duo.

[Crunch 99]

Bleacher Report had Favors ranked as our best player on the team coming in to the season, and number nine out of all big men:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2653514-br-nba-200-ranking-the-top-big-men-heading-into-2016-17/page/73

Top 10 Big Men: 1. Draymond Green, 2. Paul Millsap, 3. Anthony Davis, 4. DeMarcus Cousins, 5. Lamarcus Aldridge, 6. Karl-Anthony Towns, 7. Deandre Jordan, 8. Andre Drummond, 9. Derrick Favors, 10. Marc Gasol

18. Rudy Gobert, 73. Trey Lyles

Here is what Bleacher Report said about Favors:

Scoring --- Derrick Favors is still at his best when diving to the hoop after setting a screen, hoping for a feed from his teammates. Around the basket, his physicality and athleticism allow him to score through most defenders. But the Utah Jazz weren't set up to play to his strengths, and he was forced to take more jumpers than ever before. Otherwise, he'd look even better as a scorer.

Non-Scoring Offense --- It's hard to find positives here, unless we focus on Favors' screening and potentially rim-rattling cuts that force defenders to body up against him outside the paint. He's a lackluster distributor who can get far too careless with the ball, and his jumper is by no means a consistent weapon.

Defense --- Favors doesn't receive much credit as an elite defender, yet that's exactly what he's become. He allowed opponents to shoot just 47.7 percent at the rim while facing 7.4 shots per game, and his one true weakness was dragging out to the perimeter against quick stretch 4s. Perhaps he doesn't get the recognition he deserves because, despite his individual excellence, he's still not the best defender in his own frontcourt.

Rebounding -- This was the fourth consecutive season that Favors' rebounds per 36 minutes have trended in the wrong direction, but he was starting at a rather high point when averaging 11.1 in 2011-12. Playing alongside many other plus rebounders takes away some of his chances, so Favors makes up for the relative lack of opportunities by fighting for everything in the vicinity of traffic.

Durability --- Back spasms and a bad right knee hindered Favors throughout his latest campaign, but he suited up 62 games and was unrelentingly physical on both ends. According to ICE data provided by B/R Insights, his insanely high physio score still finished in the 80.98 percentile.

Overall --- Favors rarely gets discussed as a game-changing presence and didn't seem to draw much All-Star consideration, but his all-around excellence has made him the No. 1 player for a Utah team on the rise. That may not remain true as Rudy Gobert and Rodney Hood continue to develop, but Favors' excellent defense and consistent offensive contributions have made him the centerpiece up to this point in the rebuild, even if he by no means enjoys the same name recognition.

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I think for Favors to get that sort of money he will have to work his ass off this summer on his point forward skills, playing two traditional bigs are going the way of the dinosaur. We can't pay Favors that much and have him ride the pine 20-25 minutes a game.

WTF? Have you guys officially gone insane? Favors was a top 30 player in the league just 2 months ago! In what world is he riding the pine if he as much as gets to his usual level from last two years? In what world is that not worth the max let alone under 20M per year?

No he wasn't a top 30 player at any point in his career. He has been a good player when healthy but not even close to a great player.

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Yes he was. I know it's an inconvenient truth for the narrative going around after his injuries but he was comfortably around the top 30 in pretty much every ranking there was - both subjective like the numerous top 100 rankings that are published by numerous NBA publications and purely statistical like the fivethirtyeight one. The way Jazz fans have acted with Favors and the short memories a lot of them have shown with him is one of the most disappointing things to me about this season.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/nba-top-100-players-2016/
Washington post - Favors ranked no. 29 in their preseason player rankings.

It's taken some time, given how young and raw Favors was when he entered the league, but he has become an excellent player for the Jazz. Like Hayward, though, Favors need to prove he can be a leading man on a leading team if Utah is going to take the next step as a franchise.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank39/nbarank-39-utah-jazz-forward-derrick-favors
ESPN Rank - Favors ranked no. 39 in their player rankings pre-season

Scouting report

+ Combo big man who is a plus at either position

+ Excellent finisher who can post up most power forwards

+ Mobile defender who blocks enough shots to anchor defense

Analysis

Already a six-year NBA veteran at age 25, Favors has established himself as a solid 16-point, eight-rebound a game contributor who has the ability to play both frontcourt spots effectively. Though Favors still has two years left on his contract, since he's making just $23 million over that span, he could be a candidate for a renegotiation and extension that would lock him in past the summer of 2018 at a below-max rate.

Favors creates a reasonable number of his own shots for a big man. Besides putbacks, those come mostly in the post, where he scored twice as many points (198) as the rest of the Jazz combined (97), according to Synergy Sports tracking on NBA.com/Stats. Favors has a little hook with either hand and likes to face up slower defenders when playing center to use his quickness. Favors is also Utah's best option in the pick-and-roll game, though the presence of Rudy Gobert around the basket sometimes forces him to pop to the perimeter. Favors is less effective there, having shot just 33.1 percent on 2-point attempts beyond 16 feet, per Basketball-Reference.com.

Favors' versatility is valuable defensively, as he can swing between the two frontcourt spots depending on teammates. He's a strong pick-and-roll defender who can capably switch out on guards -- a particularly effective weapon at center -- but he is also a shot-blocking presence. Playing alongside Gobert depresses Favors' individual stats. He averaged 9.9 rebounds and 1.9 blocks per 36 minutes with Gobert on the bench, per NBA.com/Stats, as compared to 8.2 and 1.3 playing with him. But the Jazz's defense is 2.0 points better per 100 possessions with Favors and Gobert, and somewhat surprisingly, Utah scores better with both big men despite limited floor spacing.

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-top-100-player-rankings
Sports Illustrated - Favors was ranked no. 28 in the league in their top 100 players ranking

The Jazz are zigging where a lot of teams are zagging, and Derrick Favors’s comprehensive two-way game makes it all possible. With so many teams hoping to play smaller and faster, the 25-year-old Favors makes for a nightly mismatch. His strength, honed scoring ability and motor are tough to handle for perimeter-oriented fours, as he can pound the glass on both ends and work his way to high-percentage shots against undersized defenders. At the same time, Favors (16.4 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 1.5 BPG) moves well defensively for a man of his size, meaning he can be played for stretches alongside a true center without being exposed. As a result, the Jazz can trot out traditional lineups featuring Favors and Rudy Gobert that control the tempo, force lots of tough and contested looks, dominate the glass and suck the life out of the opposition. But, wait, there’s more: Favors can also shift up to play center, giving coach Quin Snyder a strong backline defender at his disposal for all 48 minutes. This year, Utah should be able to downshift into spread looks more easily thanks to the additions of Boris Diaw and Joe Johnson, plus growth from Trey Lyles. With extra space, Favors should be in even better position to operate one-on-one in the paint against overmatched defenders. If Utah takes a step forward in the standings, as expected, it will be fascinating to see how the rest of the West will handle matchups with Favors in the postseason. Do you stay big in hopes of neutralizing him, thereby going along with Utah’s preferred style? Or, do you try to go small in hopes of playing him or Gobert off the court while running the risk that he might pound you into submission? (Last year: No. 37)

+ One of just eight players to average at least one steal and one block last season, he graded out well defensively by the major advanced metrics and can comfortably handle both fours and fives
+ His physicality and skill make him hard to stop when he works up a head of steam going to the hoop, whether he’s making decisive moves from the post, crashing the offensive glass, cutting hard to the basket off the ball, or rolling with purpose in the two-man game
– He missed a career-high 20 games last season, including an extended stretch due to a back injury
– He forms a beastly pairing with Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, but he needs to continue to improve his shooting if the Jazz are going to find enough offensive spacing with that duo.

http://www.nba.com/article/2016/10/25/ranking-top-power-forwards-2016-17-nba-season
NBA.com - Favors ranked no. 6 PF in the league

The big man is a throwback in the era of the stretch-four, hanging around the basket to score his points and acting as rim protector along with Rudy Gobert in the Jazz’ strong defensive front line. It’s been a slow and steady work in progress to coax the 16.4 points and 8.1 rebounds per game that Favors delivered a year ago. Now there are some impatient fans in Utah that might be inclined toward Trey Lyles and his shooting range. But it would be unwise to turn the page on Favors just when he’s hitting his stride. He's strong, lengthy and, perhaps most notably, doesn’t mind at all mixing things up on the inside and doing the dirty work. There could be a breakout season waiting to happen.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-top-100-nba-players-lebron-still-reigns-two-warriors-on-his-heels/
CBS Sports - Favors is ranked no. 29 in their Top 100 players ranking from before the season:

This is a major move for a player who was statistically similar last season to the season, similar enough to suggest he plateaued. Or maybe it's just belated appreciation for all that the Georgia Tech product provides, with the promise -- at 25 -- of the next leg up.

He rebounds. He defends in the post. He blocks shots. He plays perfectly off his center, Rudy Gobert, on both ends. He scores efficiently even while a metric misfit; he stepped out more into the 10 to 15 feet area last season, but still has attempted only one three-pointer in eight seasons. Now he'll get more overall looks until Gordon Hayward returns, and to make that long-ago Deron Williams deal look even better.

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/slam-top-50/derrick-favors-48/
SLAM Magazine - Favors was ranked no. 48 in their top 50 players in the league ranking

The Jazz are a sexy pick to make the Playoffs this season and Favors is a big reason why.

Derrick Favors dropped a career-high 35 against the Pacers last season. It was the biggest offensive explosion of his career, only the second 30-point game he’s had in six years. But he was nice during that game. He was hitting jumpers, dropping his left shoulder into every defender that tried to stop him from getting to the rim, getting dunks. He put his old-school game on full display that night.

Favors uses mid-range shots, post-ups, duck-ins and throw downs to get his buckets. On defense, the 25-year-old uses his brute strength to gain position for rebounds, blocks and stops. He’s not out there shooting threes. He’s not jumping out the gym like these new-age athletes. But he’s getting the job done.

Now entering his seventh season, his maturity and poise has turned him into a rock for a Jazz team trying to make the Playoffs.

When he spoke to SLAM last month, Favors was all about capitalizing on being a leader:

“When I started out last year, I was like, Man, I’ve been in the NBA six years. I’m now an established vet. I’m getting old now,” he said.

It might sound funny to hear a 25-year-old say that, but that’s really how Favors operates. He’s all business, a big picture kind of a guy. He’s not about the numbers, although 16 points, 8 rebounds and 1.5 blocks per ain’t nothin’ to sneeze at.

He’s been chipping away at getting to the Playoffs his whole career. All the while, his individual game has grown, making him a force to be reckoned with. On both sides of the ball, Favors is for real.

He carries the responsibility of reliability on his shoulders, knowing how much the Jazz need from him. On any given night, the power forward runs the offense from the elbow, dishing, shooting and driving. He and Rudy Gobert anchor one of the League’s best defenses. While Gobert makes the loud, flashy plays, Favors is the one holding down the fort.

With Gordon Hayward and Rodney Hood taking all the risks with the ball, Favors has to be the one that head coach Quinn Snyder can trust to come through no matter what.

“This offseason, I’ve been busting my ass in workouts to reach that next level,” Favors told us last month. “Working on everything. Jumpshot, post moves. Working out on my body because I got injured last year. Making sure I’m healthy going into next year. I’ve just been working on everything.”

Yeah, it took him six years to have a big scoring night. But don’t let that fool you. Derrick Favors has all the tools to get buckets every night. He also has the IQ to understand that scoring doesn’t always lead to winning. And all he wants to do is win..

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-53-best-franchise-players-in-the-nba-2016-17-edition/
Favors was ranked no. 29 in fivethirtyeitht's preseason Top NBA franchise players ranking.

[Crunch 99]

I know it's an inconvenient truth for the narrative going around after his injuries but he was comfortably around the top 30 in pretty much every ranking there was

re: Favors pre-season rankings

Wow Stitches. Guess I don't need to go dig up any more of my pre-season posts on Favors' rankings from my old forum. You got all the Favors rankings and then some! Now if Favors can continue to recover and live up to the pre-season rankings, the Jazz will finish the season strong! Go Jazz!

[MTJazzv3]

I know it's an inconvenient truth for the narrative going around after his injuries but he was comfortably around the top 30 in pretty much every ranking there was

re: Favors pre-season rankings

Wow Stitches. Guess I don't need to go dig up any more of my pre-season posts on Favors' rankings from my old forum. You got all the Favors rankings and then some! Now if Favors can continue to recover and live up to the pre-season rankings, the Jazz will finish the season strong! Go Jazz!

Yeah, kudos, Stitches. Excellent response. It also makes me miss the old Favors. My only concern is that he is more physically limited now but but even if he gets back to 80% this season he is still a valuable part of the Jazz for this season and probably next.

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Pretty funny to actually look at those rankings to see how many players ranked below Favors are clearly in front of him. You really shouldn't try to use that list as a reason when it is such a joke. Not only has Favors never been a top 30 player but he is falling further and further down the ranks as this league get deeper. Here is the reality when it comes to Favors ranking in the nba.

These aren't a specific order

Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Deandre Jordan
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
Anthony Davis
Paul George
Gordon Hayward
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins
Kyle Lowry
Demar Derozen
Paul Millsap
Carmelo Anthony
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard
John Wall
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Al Horford
Kristaps Porzingis
Nikola Jokic
Kemba Walker
Marc Gasol
Hassan Whiteside
Kevin Love
Mike Conley
Isaiah Thomas
Rudy Gobert
CJ McCollum
Joel Embiid
Dwight Howard

Those are 38 players right there.

I can think of a bunch of other guys that I would strongly consider over Favors as well.

Myles Turner
George Hill
Eric Bledsoe
Bradley Beal
Steven Adams
NIc Batum
Avery Bradley
Harrison Barnes

Simply put Favors is being overrated by some of you and the reality is that he is a good player but has never shown the ability to carry a basketball team and he has always been inconsistent. He will have those games where he looks like a star and then he will have games where he simply doesn't show up. To this point in his career the closest comparison to Favors is Nene and I sure as hell wouldn't want to give Nene a max contract like some of you are suggesting with Favors.

[Daddy 801]

Pretty funny to actually look at those rankings to see how many players ranked below Favors are clearly in front of him. You really shouldn't try to use that list as a reason when it is such a joke. Not only has Favors never been a top 30 player but he is falling further and further down the ranks as this league get deeper. Here is the reality when it comes to Favors ranking in the nba.

These aren't a specific order

Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Deandre Jordan
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
Anthony Davis
Paul George
Gordon Hayward
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins
Kyle Lowry
Demar Derozen
Paul Millsap
Carmelo Anthony
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard
John Wall
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Al Horford
Kristaps Porzingis
Nikola Jokic
Kemba Walker
Marc Gasol
Hassan Whiteside
Kevin Love
Mike Conley
Isaiah Thomas
Rudy Gobert
CJ McCollum
Joel Embiid
Dwight Howard

Those are 38 players right there.

I can think of a bunch of other guys that I would strongly consider over Favors as well.

Myles Turner
George Hill
Eric Bledsoe
Bradley Beal
Steven Adams
NIc Batum
Avery Bradley
Harrison Barnes

Simply put Favors is being overrated by some of you and the reality is that he is a good player but has never shown the ability to carry a basketball team and he has always been inconsistent. He will have those games where he looks like a star and then he will have games where he simply doesn't show up. To this point in his career the closest comparison to Favors is Nene and I sure as hell wouldn't want to give Nene a max contract like some of you are suggesting with Favors.

I would take a HEALTHY Favs over some of the guys you have listed in your top 38. Especially considering salary, age, attitude, and versatility, and roster construction.

A non healthy Favs drops dramatically as he isn't a shooter and his defense will be greatly diminished. And he might not even be Nene quality when he is unhealthy. Which is scary if Favs demands a max after next season and hasn't improved or gotten his health back.

Again, everything rests on Favs health.

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Pretty funny to actually look at those rankings to see how many players ranked below Favors are clearly in front of him. You really shouldn't try to use that list as a reason when it is such a joke. Not only has Favors never been a top 30 player but he is falling further and further down the ranks as this league get deeper. Here is the reality when it comes to Favors ranking in the nba.

These aren't a specific order

Lebron
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Deandre Jordan
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
Anthony Davis
Paul George
Gordon Hayward
Jimmy Butler
Demarcus Cousins
Kyle Lowry
Demar Derozen
Paul Millsap
Carmelo Anthony
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard
John Wall
Giannis
Jabari Parker
Al Horford
Kristaps Porzingis
Nikola Jokic
Kemba Walker
Marc Gasol
Hassan Whiteside
Kevin Love
Mike Conley
Isaiah Thomas
Rudy Gobert
CJ McCollum
Joel Embiid
Dwight Howard

Those are 38 players right there.

I can think of a bunch of other guys that I would strongly consider over Favors as well.

Myles Turner
George Hill
Eric Bledsoe
Bradley Beal
Steven Adams
NIc Batum
Avery Bradley
Harrison Barnes

Simply put Favors is being overrated by some of you and the reality is that he is a good player but has never shown the ability to carry a basketball team and he has always been inconsistent. He will have those games where he looks like a star and then he will have games where he simply doesn't show up. To this point in his career the closest comparison to Favors is Nene and I sure as hell wouldn't want to give Nene a max contract like some of you are suggesting with Favors.

I would take a HEALTHY Favs over some of the guys you have listed in your top 38. Especially considering salary, age, attitude, and versatility, and roster construction.

A non healthy Favs drops dramatically as he isn't a shooter and his defense will be greatly diminished. And he might not even be Nene quality when he is unhealthy. Which is scary if Favs demands a max after next season and hasn't improved or gotten his health back.

Again, everything rests on Favs health.

Non-healthy anybody drops. Healthy Favors has been deservedly around top 30 player in the league for the last two seasons. Now you can always take exception to this one or that one being ahead or behind him(btw I disagree with some of the ones you are putting ahead of him). A few places up or down is not the question. The question is that this is a cornerstone level player. You don't trade those players, especially if you don't have better substitution waiting. And no, Lyles is very likely to never reach the level Favors was at for the last two seasons and the level I expect him to be at going forward.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I don't agree that it all rests on Favors health. I think it's much more about how he fits alongside Gobert and if we can afford to pay him and whoever else we want to pay.

I think that's where the real debate should be.

[Daddy 801]

I don't agree that it all rests on Favors health. I think it's much more about how he fits alongside Gobert and if we can afford to pay him and whoever else we want to pay.

I think that's where the real debate should be.

If that's the debate then you should be in Fav-or of keeping Favs.

Sorry for the dad joke. Had to do it.

[millslapper]

Impulsive and crazy idea:
What about an Exum/Hezonja swap to give both players a re-start in systems which suits better for them..

[Daddy 801]

Would you guys send Favs, Exum, and a first for Love?

[AingesBurner]

Would you guys send Favs, Exum, and a first for Love?

Prefer to do Favors and Hood.

[Daddy 801]

Would you guys send Favs, Exum, and a first for Love?

Prefer to do Favors and Hood.

Why? Hood has been clearly the better player.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Impulsive and crazy idea:
What about an Exum/Hezonja swap to give both players a re-start in systems which suits better for them..

Hezonja is garbage. I still don't get why Jazz fans have such an obsession with him...